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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

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Mary Susan McIntosh

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  • ... that sociologist, feminist, political activist and campaigner for lesbian and gay rights, Mary Susan McIntosh was deported from the US in 1960 for speaking out against the House Un-American Activities Committee? Source: "Carol Smart, 'Mary McIntosh, 1936–2013' (2013)". Radical Philosophy. Retrieved 2017-03-08.

Created by LornaMCampbell (talk). Nominated by Stinglehammer (talk) at 16:20, 13 March 2017 (UTC).

  • The hook is cited satisfactorily and the article is long enough and there appears to be no copy violation. At 225 characters including spaces, the hook is too long. It needs to include "... that " at the beginning and needs to contain a least a link to the subject and probably to lesbian and gay rights and the House Un-American Activities Committee. I have concerns about the photograph contained in the article. It has been uploaded as creative commons with source and author given as the London School of Economics Library. The page there that it has been taken from is a blog post by one of the Library's archivists discussing the archiving of Ms McIntosh's collection of papers. As such the image is one that Ms McIntosh has collected rather than the University and, from the quality of the image, it appears to be from a newspaper or similar publication and is presumably subject to a copyright rather than creative commons. Is there any additional source information on this? DavidCane (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
    • Hi @DavidCane: - Is it the length of the hook that is the main concern? If so how many characters is appropriate? The image used was really a placeholder image. I have since contacted Mary's old workplaces at the University of Essex and Nuffield College, Oxford, and they have supplied 4 better quality images which I can upload shortly. Please let me know if uploading a better image resolves the issue or if the hook needs further tweaking. Best regards Stinglehammer (talk) 20:07, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
      • The hook is still too long. It must be no longer than 200 characters - see the guidance on hook format for details. If the new images are copy free, commons or the like put one of these into the article, change the hook and it should be ready to go. --DavidCane (talk) 21:37, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
How about this:
  • ALT1: ... that sociologist, feminist, political activist and campaigner for lesbian and gay rights, Mary Susan McIntosh was deported in 1960 for speaking out against the House Un-American Activities Committee?
(199 characters) Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:57, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Even though the House Un-American Activities Committee is mentioned, I think that it is necessary to say where she was deported from.
  • The newspaper/magazine image questioned above is still in the article. The two new images are an improvement, but @Stinglehammer: needs to show that the University of Essex and Nuffield College have released them for free use.--DavidCane (talk) 09:08, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that sociologist, feminist and campaigner for lesbian and gay rights, Mary Susan McIntosh was deported from the US in 1960 for speaking out against the House Un-American Activities Committee?
Any better? And do you mean getting OTRS permission for the two new images? I can remove the offending third image if that helps resolve the problem?Stinglehammer (talk) 17:43, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Yes, the hook looks better now and I think OTRS permission is the way to go. I have created a commons category for Mary Susan McIntosh, if you remove the magazine one with the uncertain attribution from the article and link to the commons category in the external links section all three images (and any others you have) can be found there. --DavidCane (talk) 17:50, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
@DavidCane:, Okay I have asked for OTRS permission to be provided for all 3 images and removed the 3rd questionable image from the article. Best, Stinglehammer (talk) 10:47, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
DavidCane, Stinglehammer, what is delaying this nomination at this point? It's been over a month since the above, and from what I can see, the color image has OTRS permission, and the black-and-white (used in the infobox) has an indication that the permission is still in process. Thanks for anything you can tell me. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:03, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi BlueMoonset, I have asked the University of Essex archives to fill in the OTRS release for the B&W image but have had no indication that this has been sent despite chasing this. Is there a way to see if the email is still to be processed by OTRS? If the email has not been sent then can we just remove the B&W image if that is the only thing holding up the nomination? Best wishes, Stinglehammer (talk) 23:42, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Done. Thank you Stinglehammer--when the permission comes through, just revert my edit. BlueMoonset, good to go. Drmies (talk) 04:04, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
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