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I don't necessarily believe them to be disruptive, can you please give me a reason why? Great Mercian (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I can. I asked you in your talk thread (this one) (after telling me to "suck it"[1]) to elaborate, using your policies and guidelines to make your case. The refusal to answer simple questions is listed at the disprutive editing policy as one of the our nonexclusive list of signs of disruptive editing. Also related, Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

firstly I don't get notifications from talk pages as i do with user talk pages like this one, and secondly who said they were my guidelines? Great Mercian (talk) 21:05, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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I was hoping other people would help finish it.

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on English phonology. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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@Nardog: whether I am edit warring or not (which by the way you instigated so I don't know why you're pinning the blame on me) doesn't change the fact that phonetically, the information you so vehemently defend is incorrect. I did explain that I do speak that dialect, while it may not be Received Pronounciation it is close enough to it. To use another example other than lot, 'not' pronounced with a /ɔ:/ would be 'nought' (/nɔ:t/) and not 'not', which is pronounced as /nɒt/ (stress omitted for simplicity's sake). I personally don't understand why you take a problem with every phonological edit I either make or propose (I.e. italicising ä in the vowel template due to it not being an official symbol). Great Mercian (talk) 22:20, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Please see Talk:English phonology/Archive 4#RP table. If you believe in your argument, state it there, so other editors can see it. If they agree with you, I'll be obliged to keep your edit, because Wikipedia takes consensus as the fundamental method of decision making. Your characterization that I "instigated" doesn't comport with WP:BRD, a process widely observed to facilitate and enforce consensus. I didn't even recognize your username; I just happened to come across both times. Nardog (talk) 22:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

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Coat of arms of Catalonia

Hello Great Mercian, I've just discovered that in January you created (as a redirection) a page, Coat of arms of Catalonia, that had been previously deleted. The reason for deleting the page, which had no opposition in the discussion, is simply that Catalonia doesn't have a coat of arms, and furthermore, if it had one it would be preposterous that it was the same as that of the kings of Aragón, a different territory (You can find more about the subject in this discussion). Therefore, I urge you to delete the page yourself. Thank you. Jotamar (talk) 22:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jotamar: I checked the deletion discussion (which for obvious reasons I can no longer accessed.) and it basically boiled down to the coat of arms was exactly the same as Aragon's (If it wasn't then I admit I was most likely misinterpreting it, I was dealing with another situation around that time which really stressed me out so that may very well be the reason why.). If you could provide a link to said discussion that would be wonderful.

However, I would also like to mention that as I am not an admin, I don't have deletion perms, so I'm afraid I can't delete the page (I would hesitate to call it a page, though.).

I hope this helps resolve the issue. Great Mercian (talk) 23:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Jotamar: I admit it was stupid to say I couldn't access the link, here it is, I hope this clears up everything. Thanks. Great Mercian (talk) 23:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, first of all notice that the coat of arms we're speaking about is not the one of Aragon, but of the kings of Aragon, which is quite a different thing. In the Middle Ages, territories didn't have any symbol, only families from the royalty or the nobility had them. Identifying territories (nations, regions, etc.) with a flag or a coat of arms is a more recent thing. About the deletion, if you agree with it, using the Wikipedia:Proposed deletion procedure should be quite straightforward as long as the editor asking for it is the same one that created the page, that's what I meant when I asked you to delete it. Best regards. --Jotamar (talk) 00:09, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jotamar:, as I am quoting from @Neodop: (who is more than welcome to chip in) "this article is essentially a duplicate, almost word for word, of the Coat of arms of the Crown of Aragon, which is used de facto as the coat of arms of Catalonia." I merely made the redirect as it seemed that any non-duplicated content was moved into said article. I won't be removing the redirect. Great Mercian (talk) 08:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I didn't remember that particular comment by user:Neodop, and I don't agree with it. Having the coat of arms of the Kings of Aragon as the specific symbol of Catalonia is tantamount to, let's say, having one particular state in the USA, for example Nebraska, declare that the flag of their state was the star-spangled banner, which then would be at the same time the flag of the whole US and the flag specific to the state of Nebraska. On the other hand the government of the Spanish autonomous community of Catalonia has never declared any coat of arms for their region, unlike the rest of autonomous communities, and that is obviously linked to what I have just explained. A different thing is that Catalan nationalists decided in the 19th century to use the badge of the kings of Aragon as their main national symbol, and you can find the four bars used in flags, scarfs, jerseys, key chains, culinary items and whatnot ever since in Catalonia; that includes the occasional shield, however that use is necessarily unofficial, in addition to historically wrong. --Jotamar (talk) 23:28, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jotamar: I'm too tired to keep going with this conversation, it's clear to me you're confusing historical and contemporary use of a coat of arms. if you can provide me with contemporary government documents that show the crest or not that would be swell. also I'd like to point out that your flag analogy really doesn't work as that's exactly what Newfoundland and Labrador did in 1952. I think the best thing you can do is let this go. best regards, Great Mercian (talk) 23:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jotamar: I'm still waiting on the contemporary government documents you can provide. Great Mercian (talk) 20:03, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Well obviously there are no official documents stating that the coat of arms of the kings of Aragón is not the coat of arms of Catalonia. Armand de Fluvià, a Catalan historian close to Catalan nationalism, wrote a small paper called Catalunya un país sense escut (Catalonia, a country with no coat of arms). The paper might be from 2019. He says: "Com a Assessor d'Heràldica i Genealogia de Catalunya que sóc per nomenament presidencial, i també com a president de la Institució Catalana de Genealogia i Heràldica, fa anys que gent del país i de fora ens pregunta i vol saber quin és l'escut de Catalunya com a país, i hem de respondre que oficialment no en té." My translation: As a consultant of Heraldry and Genealogy for Catalonia, that I am by presidential appointment [from the president of the Catalan government], and also as president of the Catalan Institution of Genealogy and Heraldry, people from this country and from elsewhere have been asking us for years and want to know which is the coat of arms of Catalonia as a country, and we have to answer that officially it [Catalonia] hasn't any. --Jotamar (talk) 21:00, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jotamar:, just a few more things. De jure and De facto are two different things, I.e. Türkiye de jure doesn't have a coat of arms however de facto uses the star and crescent, if we've defined that Catalonia doesn't have a de jure coat of arms, does it use a de facto coat of arms? Also the passage describes Catalonia as a country, whereas it might be depending on your standpoint, it is legally an autonomous collectively. I would like some clarification to these things, thanks. Great Mercian (talk) 21:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't know how it could be used as the de facto coat of arms of Catalonia. What you don't seem to grasp is that the colours of the coat of arms (alternating yellow and red stripes) were appropriated, so to speak, by Catalan nationalism in the 19th century, as main symbol for their nation. Since then, everything related to Catalonia features prominently those colours, which appear in about everything that you can think of, from sweaters to pastry, and of course someone could easily have had the idea of including the colours in a shield, in any sort of personal document, for historical effect, but that is a marginal use not to be taken seriously. --Jotamar (talk) 21:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

About the word country, I was translating Catalan/Spanish país, which apparently is not a perfect match in meaning, since país doesn't necessarily imply nation. Though of course for Catalan nationalists Catalonia is both a país and a nation. --Jotamar (talk) 21:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

@Jotamar: oh no, I've perfectly grasped that. I understand the four bars were copied wholesale by Catalan nationalists, in fact you've said it enough times I'm starting to suspect unionist bias. maybe I should've clarified when you said "there are no official documents stating that the coat of arms of the kings of Aragón is not the coat of arms of Catalonia." Can you please show me a government document with the four bars on. thanks. Great Mercian (talk) 00:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I can't claim a perfect neutral point of view in this question, since I'm from Aragon, but the same is true of Catalan editors. As for the independence of Catalonia, I have no particular principle against it, currently I'm not for it but with a change of political or social circumstances I can imagine I might become in favor of it. --Jotamar (talk) 00:53, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Official documents of the Catalan Government typically include the Seal of the Generalitat de Catalunya. It resembles a coat of arms but it's not it, I think there is a clear conceptual difference, and the text of Mr. Fluvià that I cited above fully confirms that. --Jotamar (talk) 00:53, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@Jotamar: So therefore, the Seal of the Generalitat de Catalunya is the de facto seal of Catalonia, and as we see with most US states, seals are essentially C.O.A., therefore redirecting Coat of arms of Catalonia to the above article would be the right solution. I think we've come to a solution! just need a source confirming it. Great Mercian (talk) 01:10, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I'll look for one as soon as I have time. --Jotamar (talk) 14:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

As you can see, I haven't had much time in the last months, anyway I want to say that this is still in my to do list. Regards. --Jotamar (talk) 18:19, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hi @Rreagan007:, I didn't really participate in the discussion in question, as all I did was post a {{chips}} template. Quite frankly discussions like this just don't interest me. Great Mercian (talk) 20:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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