Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrzej Andrzejewski

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to 2008 Polish Air Force C-295 Mirosławiec crash. Daniel (talk) 10:12, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Andrzej Andrzejewski

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Wikipedia:NOTMEMORIAL and WP:SINGLEEVENT notable only for one event, as a non-notable victim of a plane crash, zero sourcing after 15 years. Whatever content is useful should be placed at 2008 Polish Air Force C-295 Mirosławiec crash. No sources in translated versions that establish notability beyond being a crash victim. Macktheknifeau (talk) 05:50, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Poland. Macktheknifeau (talk) 05:50, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Aviation. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:17, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article can be expanded with the information in the corresponding article in the Polish Wikipedia at pl:Andrzej Andrzejewski (pilot). When searching online, consider including the word pilot or the person's military rank to avoid confusion with the actor of the same name. A general is usually notable, and some of the claims in the existing article and its counterparts in other languages seem to indicate notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 07:35, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- What guideline are you using that says "generals are usually notable" because I couldn't find any. Macktheknifeau (talk) 09:17, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing to expand - our article is pretty much the same as the pl wiki one. Notability of generals may be related to retired WP:NSOLDIER guideline, although rule of thumb it is something I tend to support to. That said, see below - I think this is the exception even for me. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:10, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak redirect to Mirosławiec crash. I concur that all notability he has is due to this event. His promotion to general was posthumous. Ps. Pl wiki is pretty inclusionist for milhist topics and I am not touching this there, I was told one time that even colonels are notable there. Sigh. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:07, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG and it is very rare for a general to die in the line of duty. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He wasn't a general when he died. How can you say he meets GNG when literally none of the sources work? Surely you aren't going off your talk page opinion about generals being "inherently notable" instead of our proper wiki guidelines? Macktheknifeau (talk) 11:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then why does the article say he was promoted to brigadier-general in 2006? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, you are right, pl wiki has this claim although no footnote. It would be nice to know what he was promoted for (just steadily working?). Nothing in his career seems spectacular, just... solid. I looked at his pl wiki awards and likewise, they seem to be... solid. Now, I am not an expert in this field, so I am sticking to weak redirect due to the fact that what I see still is ONEEVENT media coverage + promotions/awards as expected from someone having pretty succesfull career in their field, yet not one that is obviously notability-granting. Do ping me if you reply with a counterargument, which I'll be happy to consider. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:16, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2008 Polish Air Force C-295 Mirosławiec crash. All the sources I can find only have coverage in the context of the crash. Eluchil404 (talk) 18:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the plane crash article, as noted above. I think it's a useful enough search term that there is a case to find an outcome other than deletion here, but concur that there isn't anything clearly in the way of ongoing/lasting coverage and WP:1E seems to fit. Various statements remain uncited, but a redirect at least preserves the article if there is viable scope for expansion in future. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.