Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Capri Anderson (3rd nomination)

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The result was keep. WP:SNOW, WP:PORNBIO and WP:POINT. (non-admin closure) TBrandley ^{(what's up)} 20:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Capri Anderson

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We have been here before. She has now won an industry award that leads to no real world reliable coverage and I personally feel that PORNBIO is not a reliable SNG because it contradicts BLP that requires proper sourcing for biographical articles. I therefore do not feel the AVN = a notable second event and that this remains essentially a BLP1E. Spartaz ^Humbug! 13:08, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What? Why doesn't it lead to "no real world reliable coverage"? This has been discussed a second time very thoroughly not only on the WP:BIO talk page, but on this article's talk page as well (including with the admin that deleted it, who now endorses it). You even acknowledge that she won the award (Best Supporting Actress, not a scene-related award), so this reeks of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. (Or are you just calling BLP1E because of her connection to Charlie Sheen?) Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 18:10, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Snow Keep. Outside of what the nominator "personally feels", the subject clearly passes our notability guidelines. She won an AVN Award for best supporting actress, she was nominated to a XBIZ Award for best actress and to several other AVN Awards for best actress, crossover star of the year, best web starlet and best tease performance (plus a bunch of scene awards that, per consensus, do not count towards notability). Even ignoring WP:PORNBIO, that quite recently received widespread consensus on its actual version, how she fails WP:ANYBIO? Wikipedia is not censored, and she is clearly notable in her field. I wonder if the nominator would have rised the same objections if Anderson was an award winning graphic designer, or a clay pigeon shooter. Cavarrone (talk) 19:51, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK, so apart from Sheen, where is the real world coverage of her outside the adult press? Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:14, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This question, as well as your deletion rationale, just makes it clear you have a personal bias about adult entertainment industry, and personal bias/personal feelings are almost never good arguments in deletion discussions. Adult press coverage is real world coverage, at best you can say it is "niche" coverage; a lot of categories of people, including academics, have no "real world" notability outside of niche publications. Wikipedia is built as a universal encyclopedia, including an adult cinema encyclopedia: in this context Capri Anderson is a notable person, and a stub about this subject, that lists and reports the sources for the well-known and significant awards she received/for which she was nominated, is perfectly appropriate for our encyclopedia (even without mentioning at all Charlie Sheen). Cavarrone (talk) 08:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should I take that as "none" then? Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:57, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Spartaz, what's the deal here? The fact that you proved the subject's notability yourself in your nomination makes it confusing as to why you nominated it to begin with. And is there a guideline that says coverage within the adult press should be ignored? If so, please direct me to it. Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 10:06, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No Spartaz, you should take that as your argument about "real world" was rejected at its roots. We don't judge notability on the basis of the subjective feelings on what someone considers "real world", we judge it on the more objective basis of guidelines and policies. Cavarrone (talk) 10:17, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:04, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:06, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Based on best actress award. I don't dismiss niche sources as not being reliable sources in considering the general notability guidelines. Morbidthoughts (talk) 15:14, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Given her multiple AVN nominations and an AVN win, spread over multiple years (2011-2013), and the Charlie Sheen scandal she passes the notability criteria. – fdewaele, 15 February 2013, 19:17 (CET).

Keep per Cavarrone. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:42, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I can't believe we're even discussing this. She clearly passes WP:PORNBIO. Rebecca1990 (talk) 05:31, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SNOW Keep as (accept it or not, nominator) WP:PORNBIO is properly met and sourced in accepted genre sources required by WP:BLP, and the Charlie Sheen incident is a different and itself sourcable issue. The multiple awards of this person's career, and the content of the article itself, show this is not a WP:BLP1E. Understandably, most porn actresses do not get coverage in mainstream media sources... resulting in difficulties in showing background information. Because of the Sheen incident, we at least DO have something more to share with our readers. If the Sheen incident were a singular event in the life of an otherwise unknown person, then BLP1E would apply... but as she has her notability apart from the scandal, BLP1E is not the case. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:55, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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