Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dimitris Brinias

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The result was Keep. Cbrown1023 talk 00:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dimitris Brinias

Delete This player does not appear to come up to the level required to be on Wikipedia. I can find no trace of him on Soccerbase, nor can I find any reference to him playing at Bournemouth.

If he did play at Panathanikos, I guess this meets the required level, but is this verifiable? Are the Welsh and Irish clubs at the required level?

The Galway website [1] says absolutely nothing about him! Most of the content in the article appears to have come from the Welsh Premier league profile[2]. Daemonic Kangaroo 14:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Daemonic Kangaroo 14:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If he's really an Australian Under-17, the chances a first-team appearance with Pana are small at best. We're probably looking at a junior player who may or may not pan out. Delete unless somebody finds the necessary sources. (Further below)-- BPMullins | Talk 14:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can find no record of him having played for Panathanaikos or AFC Bournemouth (which is presumably what it's meant to say, rather than Bournemouth FC who are a non-league team) so the debate would hinge on whether having played for Galway would suffice (assuming it's true that he played in their match last Friday - their website has no report on the game) - personally I'd say no therefore delete ChrisTheDude 15:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The admittedly loose standard for athletes in WP:BIO is "Competitors who have played in a fully professional league." The Welsh premiership qualifies, I think. I admit the article's a mess, and the Panathinaikos website doesn't have any record of him [3]. Ravenswing 15:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The Welsh Premiership is not a fully professional league ChrisTheDude 16:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - They don't pay their players? Ravenswing 16:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - The players for at least some (probably most, maybe all, but definitely some) clubs are semi-professional i.e they have day jobs as well. The website of Port Talbot Town F.C., for instance, notes that midfielder Chris Pridham is a trainee solicitor by day and team-mate Dean Johnstone a firefighter. WP:BIO guidelines refer to fully professional leagues i.e. leagues in which all players are full-time professional footballers ChrisTheDude 16:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Brinias is a full-time professional footballer.

Match report for his debut for Galway Utd. (a profesional team)- http://www.galwayunitedfc.ie/match-reports/report-galway-united-0-sligo-rovers-2.html Galway United FC Official Site - Report:: Galway United 0 Sligo Rovers 2

It is AFC Bournemouth!

For people looking for extra info on him he is often called Dimitri Brinias (incorrect)

http://www.nonleaguedaily.com/news/index.php?&newsmode=FULL&nid=39327 NonLeagueDaily.com

http://www.welsh-premier.com/news.php?ID=4807 Welsh Premier League Football - all the news from Aberystwyth to Welshpool

He did play for Pana.

He is an Australian U-17 international. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juve curr (talk • contribs)

Okay, good enough on Galway. The article cited has him as a reserve for AFC Bournemouth, which isn't enough for notability, and there's no evidence of a first-team appearance for Pana. We're down to whether the Galway appearance by itself is enough for notability. I'm not changing my !vote just yet, but I'm following with interest. -- BPMullins | Talk 19:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Canley 00:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment According to one site, Brinias signed with Panathanaikos, but it seems he actually only played (appeared) with GS Marko (a Greek third division "feeder team" associated with Pana). He signed with Galway in January this year (the press release says he was "attached" to Pana). The Galway press release does, however, say he played for A.C. ChievoVerona, which is a Serie A Italian team. Might be worth looking for proof of this rather than Pana. --Canley 01:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I've been through the match reports on the Chievo website and can't find any evidence that he even made the bench, so we're back to either :

finding some proof that he played a first team game for Panathanaikos (none as yet provided by the article's creator) or
deciding whether having played in the Irish Premier Division is sufficient for notability..... ChrisTheDude 08:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've rewritten and wikified the article which was a bit of a mess, and added several references, but that doesn't really address the notability issue. For my money, an appearance for Galway United in the Irish Premier League is sufficiently notable. I guess that's the trouble with being a goalie - Brinias seems to have spent much of his career being third or fourth-choice goalkeeper and does not seem to have actually gone on the field for many matches. --Canley 12:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletions. Daemonic Kangaroo 12:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per what I said above: I think Galway United is notable enough. --Canley 12:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as above, Galway Utd is notable enough, barely. Lankiveil 12:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Keep - Barely enough indeed, but I'll go with the apparent consensus on Galway. Note that the article is out of date: he was an Aussie U-17, but his dob is 2/3/1984 [4] so he's a bit long in the tooth for that team. -- BPMullins | Talk 13:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Definite keep as Lankiveil, barely enough to qualify iaw current consensus, but qualify he does. Just. Springnuts 14:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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