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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. More heat than light on the keep side of the discussion, while the delete side makes clear, policy based arguments even while requesting sources. Even while giving the SPAs full credit for the merits of their arguments, the policy based consensus is clearly to delete. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 00:03, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie Grey (Composer)

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Non-notable musician. Grey is prolific, but not apparently notable. He creates the kind of music that all television shows and commercials need, but for which he has not received any significant attention in independent sources. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 00:27, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie is notable. He is the sole composer for the Emmy nominated show, "Born This Way." There are many independent sources that need to be cited. But just to give a couple about his significance. http://www.clintproductions.com/#!Music-on-Born-This-Way-Season-2/c1q8z/578d55030cf2779eabefdcf8 http://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=80828 — Preceding unsigned comment added by I am jewsus (talk • contribs) 01:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 02:18, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie Grey is notable. He has written many theme songs for different TV shows (DirectTV’s “Celebrity Beach Bowl” to mention one) http://www.hftracks.com/#!music/cjg9, music for top production music labels such as Megatrax, and is head music composer for Season 2 of Emmy nominated TV show "Born This Way". His work is notable and his page of great interest to the composers/musicians community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:610B:6700:1CA:3186:B6A5:6125 (talk) 02:11, 16 August 2016 (UTC) — 2606:6000:610B:6700:1CA:3186:B6A5:6125 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 2606:6000:610B:6700:1CA:3186:B6A5:6125 (UTC).[reply]

Let me also cite section 10 of the notable (musician) wikipedia guidelines. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E for further clarifications) Since he is the composer of an Emmy nominated show, that is enough to satisfy the notable claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.79.84.123 (talk) 19:25, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:27, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There is not a reliable source to indicate that Grey is the composer for Born This Way. He is a composer, but not necessarily the only composer. His involvement in the show might merit a redirect to the page about the series, but there is not sufficient coverage about Grey in reliable sources for either this achievement or for his career at High Frequency Tracks on which to build an article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 02:34, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

/* Eddie Grey (Composer) */ Eddie Grey is cited as being the main Composer on the Wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_This_Way_(TV_series) and also on the end credits of every episode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:6198:C00:200C:616A:BB81:EC27 (talk) 03:43, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The addition of Grey as the composer was made (without citation) by the same editor (I am jewsus) who created Grey's article, so this is not significant. The IMDb listing for Born This Way does not list Grey. Nor does AETV's site for the show. This may be an oversight, or it may be an indication that, while Grey composed the music for the show, the music is not an integral feature of the show, and therefore his role as the composer of the show's music is largely irrelevant. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 03:51, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As a Music Enthusiast, I know his work to be very much respected. I first heard his song "Pygmalion's Statue" through the IML Contest.

http://imlcontest.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.215.74.49 (talk) 05:01, 16 August 2016 (UTC) — 66.215.74.49 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Grey is an up and comer and he is here to stay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.215.74.49 (talk) 04:59, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie is a top notch composer and his work should be recognized. He wrote the theme music for the DirecTv "Fantasy Football Channel" and also for the film trailer "Life On The Line" among other things. His work is out there and being heard by thousands of peoplePcoggins (talk) 05:18, 16 August 2016 (UTC)— Pcoggins (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

I love this album by Grey released by one of the biggest publishers in the country https://soundcloud.com/minimalistsynth/sets/minimalist-synth/s-Pnwvh I know that my contemporaries have been influenced by its Cinematic/Electronic/Orchestral approach.168.8.200.2 (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The IMDB page does have Grey. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by I am jewsus (talk • contribs) 09:03, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5219042/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ql_1

Listed as Composer for 1 Episode because IMDB has not yet listed the other 10 episodes as it is currently still airing. He will be listed as the Head Composer for the show once those pages are available. https://pro-labs.imdb.com/title/tt5929726/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:6198:C00:68D2:212C:F2B3:45D4 (talk) 19:10, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie Grey IMDB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8365793/?ref_=fn_al_nm_2 I have watched every episode from 1 to 4 thus far of Season 2 and end credits do show MUSIC BY EDDIE GREY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:6198:C00:68D2:212C:F2B3:45D4 (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:52, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Regardless of the various claims made by IPs and new editors, it doesn't appear that the subject meets the WP:GNG - that is, there aren't multiple (usually shoot for 4-5) reliable sources that cover the subject in significant detail. FYI, the sources should not be database entries, but rather, articles written by journalists or professional writers. Common sources to be used or not used can be found at WP:MUSIC/SOURCES, as a starting point for examples. Sergecross73 msg me 17:19, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jujutacular (talk) 02:27, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am surprised there is much debate. I listened to the podcast about music business and it sounds like he is unique in that people normally do not score reality shows. Usually the reality shows just have music libraries submit music. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.79.129.82 (talk) 01:10, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that no one (except myself and the nominator) are debating in regards to the Notability Guidelines. These discussions aren't supposed to be about whether or not someone subjectively finds them "good", "unique" or "respects their work". We're not interviewing him for a job or doing reference checks or something. Its supposed to boil down to objectively whether or not third party writers (professional writers/journalists, not stuff that can be written by any random person, like IMDB) are writing about him in significant detail. That's the main determinant on whether or not something has its own Wikipedia article, and so far, not a single person has provided a single viable source written by an actual journalist, so this article will still likely be deleted. A bunch of anonymous editors who swing by only to say "Oh yeah, that guy! He's awesome! He writes a good jingle!" doesn't save articles from deletion on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 14:35, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently this Composer has quite a lot of music internationally https://itunes.apple.com/uz/artist/eddie-grey/id430618250 It is worth noting that he has a history in the music business of over 15 years. He originally played in bands and toured extensively https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMGzhWD2AAk. I also came find that he sold out the House of Blues, Room 5, Hotel Cafe, and Witz End (all clubs/locations in or around L.A). http://www.hotelcafe.com/index.html Also, he wrote the main theme for the Direct TV Celebrity Football Channel https://vimeo.com/157089279 and apparently the Pigman Series https://vimeo.com/153640383has written for "The Young and The Restless" on CBS https://vimeo.com/156220872 and done commercials and film trailers https://vimeo.com/155335654 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.49.12 (talk) 20:10, 1 September 2016 (UTC) — 76.169.19.12 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Also..check out http://www.musiclicensingclass.com/blog Grey has studied with a protege of Quincy Jones and is a Voting Member of the Grammy Recording Academy, A Member Of N.A.R.I.P. National Association of Record Industry Professionals, Endorsed by Yamaha, Inc., Steinberg, and Cubase and winner of the Uk Songwriting Contest http://www.songwritingcontest.co.uk Lastly, Grey is endorsed by a software and plug-in company https://www.audiothing.net/plugins/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:6198:C00:C870:6407:3F82:5775 (talk) 20:26, 1 September 2016 (UTC) — 2605:E000:6198:C00:C870:6407:3F82:5775 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

  • Correct. Not a single one of those are an article written by a professional writer/journalist/scholarly journal. That's just a list of a bunch of jingles he's done. Doing jingles for commercials doesn't inherently make someone notable in the Wikipedia sense. (Probably the opposite really, as musicians rare gain popularity for things like jingles for reality TV shows, versus a musician who has a song on the radio and is directly credited as such whenever its played.) I think its telling that we're half a month into this discussion, and not a single source that shows notability has been presented yet... Sergecross73 msg me 12:12, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Last relist Nordic Nightfury 08:20, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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