Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johan Lange (football coach)

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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 10:51, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Johan Lange (football coach)

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Non-notable assistant football (soccer) coach. No evidence of substantial 3rd party sources that show notability. Fails WP:BIO/WP:GNG. Tassedethe (talk) 00:32, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Bear in mind the specific notability guidelines for football (WP:NFOOTBALL). Taking the article at face value, he doesn't seem to meet those criteria as thre's no claim that he's played professionally and is only an assistant manager. However, I have not tried to research whether he actually did play so I am not !voting. Dricherby (talk) 09:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - appears to fail both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 09:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've not found any evidence of a professional playing career, possibly some first team appearances with Boldklubben 1893 but not while they were playing at a high level. He was head of youth development at Lyngby before joining FCK. While I'm no judge of what constitutes a reliable source in the Danish media, there does seem to be a certain level of coverage e.g. [1] [2] [3]. He appears to be rising in seniority rapidly. Using Google Translate it would appear that he is the most senior coach at the club; he's more than an assistant but does not have full control as he works under a director of football, Carsten V. Jensen. I'm leaning keep, but could do with the input of a Danish speaker to check that my understanding is correct. Oldelpaso (talk) 17:27, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment You're almost right. When Roland Nilsson took over the head coach seat on 1 June 2011, Lange was appointed his first assistant coach. In January 2012 Nilsson was fired, and the director of football Carsten V. Jensen worked as both head coach and director of football. Now it has been announced that Jensen in the future not will be a head coach anymore. During Jensen's double job period, it have been reported, that Lange had a larger coaching role than a normal assistant, and the CEO Anders Hørsholt took over some of the director of football-responsibilities. Title-wise Lange has never been more than assistant coach. Now Copenhagen as mentioned is looking for a new head coach, and it is expected that Lange will be a normal assistant coach again. I hope that made his role a bit clearer. kalaha 18:07, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Keep: I would say he is notable enough to keep. He is not notable as a previous footballer. But it should be noted he recently graduated from the DBU coach educational system with the highest P-license degree, and thus posses the skills to become a head coach at the first level in Danish football. The fact that he worked the latest 3 years for the best team in Denmark (F.C. Copenhagen), first as talent coach and then as coach asistent for Carsten V. Jensen, and being a lot in focus in the Danish media, also add some value to his notability account. Thus, I reccommend we keep the article. Danish Expert (talk) 18:43, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as long as there is no indication of WP:GNG in the article, there is no reason to keep the artcile. Mentoz86 (talk) 21:20, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GNG applies to topics, not articles. If Johan Lange is notable, the article should be kept, regardless of whether or not the article demonstrates that notability. (But, he is notable and the article doesn't demonstrate it, then the article should be improved so that it does.) Dricherby (talk) 21:35, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But if he were notable, that would have been visible through his article wouldn't it? I don't see any point keeping a stub with dubious notability. There would be no problem to recreate this article, if the newly-written article shows that the subject passes WP:GNG. Mentoz86 (talk) 08:02, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notability does not depend on the quality of the article. Even if the article for Albert Einstein just said "Albert Einstein was a science dude who died in 1955, Einstein would still be notable. Obviously, if somebody is notable, the article on them ought to discuss the things that the person is notable for; however, not discussing those things does not make the article deletable. Note, though, that there is a different criterion for speedy deletion: an article can be speedy-deleted for not making any claim to notability (regardless of whether or not the subject is notable). But that is not enough for Afd: for AfD, the subject itself must be non-notable.

Delete - There is no indication this article meets WP:GNG, and Mr. Lange's footballing accomplishments are insufficient to meet WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 02:02, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As above, the subject does not meet WP:NFOOTBALL. In that case, the subject would need to meet WP:BIO in general, which I can find no evidence of. --Tgeairn (talk) 17:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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