Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keiran Lee

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The result was no consensus. A Train^talk 15:40, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keiran Lee

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Fails ANYBIO and PORNBIO; UK Adult Film and Television Award has been deemed insufficient in meeting the SNG, while the other award is fan based. Sources are not there to meet GNG. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:10, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:10, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 10:58, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 11:01, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep - meets of PORNBIO. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 11:21, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How does this performer meet PORNBIO? The consensus in the current wave for AfD debates holds that a UKAFTA win doesn't satisfy the guideline. Neither does a fan award. Failing that requirement, we are left with a Playboy interview and porn trade press. The most charitable assessment is borderline. • Gene93k (talk) 12:25, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AVN Award – Favorite Male Performer - meets of PORNBIO, AVN Award this is most notable award of pornography; UK Adult Film and Television Award – Best Male Actor - there no clear consensus for meets/or nor meet PORNBIO. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 20:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not all categories of AVN Award satisfy the "well-known" standard of PORNBIO. That's the working consensus of recent AfD debates. Winning niche award categories does not establish notability by itself. A claim that a fan award does is dubious. The judgement that supports a PORNBIO pass should be credible. • Gene93k (talk) 20:14, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, all individual awards of AVN Award are notable and meets of the PORNBIO. There no any consensus for your theory. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 20:27, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Karla Lane, and AVN niche award winner, was deleted at Deletion review. Angelina Valentine, a XRCO niche award winner, was deleted at AfD. Do I have to go back and get more examples? • Gene93k (talk) 20:51, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your examples are discussions about delete few articles, again: discussions about delete some article. There are not official discussion and official consensus for rules, Wikipedia policy, guideline, essay, notability of Wikipedia. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 21:35, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as fails PORNBIO & GNG, Awards don't meet our requirements and there's no evidence of notability. –Davey2010^Talk 14:06, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
fails GNG? See below. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 22:16, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:PORNBIO with award wins and passes WP:GNG with mainstream media coverage ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]). Rebecca1990 (talk) 21:58, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable pornographic actress.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:35, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - above troll-"vote" by User:Johnpacklambert break WP:IDONTLIKEIT, WP:UNENCYC, especially, WP:JNN.... and abuse copy/paste. This user always use the same text "Non-notable pornographic actress". Blind votes, again. By the way, Keiran Lee are men (actor), not woman (actress). Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 00:02, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I believe he passes the WP:GNG per Rebecca1990. Morbidthoughts (talk) 03:08, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- the above source are unconvincing, and largely consist of interview and opinions by the subject, rather than WP:SIGCOV. For example, the headlines are:

4 Porn Stars Talk About How They Fell in Love
Talented or tainted: Can a porn star go mainstream? (Lee gets a passing mention among other adult entertainment personalities): "[Lee] said: "The good thing about the adult industry is it opens a lot of doors for going into mainstream. It's not as taboo as it used to be."
Condom law 'will be ignored' says British porn actor (opinions by the subject)
"...Lee, who is the only man in the world with a penis insured for one million dollars (according to his Twitter)..." (claims by the subject, followed by an interview)
Keiran Lee: he's Britain's top porn star but gets his kicks out of Derby County (another interview)
Who is the Simon Cowell of the porn industry? New Sex Factor show laid bare (promo article as expected at the launch of a new show, that ran in a tabloid)

I don't see how this amounts to meeting GNG as what I see is not "significant RS coverage" addressing the topic of Kieran Lee directly and detail. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:26, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

you have too high expectations, please stop your extreme ~~delectionism~~ deletionism. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 10:41, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What's "delectionism", Does it mean someone who goes out of their way to deselect everything like these Checkboxes ?, –Davey2010^Talk 11:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

deletionism / deletionist, it mean someone who cause damage in Wikipedia, who wants to destroys the work of other users. For example: article Keiran Lee show pornographic actor, In 2012, Brazzers placed a billboard advertisement with a photo of him on Sunset Boulevard.[7] He has hosted the reality-show The Sex Factor. No. of adult films: 1036! as a performer & 1 as a director. Keiran Lee won two awards: 2007 UK Adult Film and Television Award – Best Male Actor[11] and 2016 AVN Award – Favorite Male Performer + some nominations. There are non-pornographic sources, meets of WP:GNG. But, no - few users-extreme deletionists must remove this. This destructive action, extreme deletionism is cancer who eats Wikipedia. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 11:38, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind you've missed the joke entirely. –Davey2010^Talk 12:33, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Anyone with an inkling of knowledge about the deletionism enthusiast fanbase on Wikipedia knows that the criteria for porn-related articles for some reason need to be higher than those for sport-related articles, fashion-related articles and pretty much any other niche on Wikipedia. Why? Who knows. So I'm going to pretend that Keiran Lee is a male badminton player, in which case (per the sufficient amount of sources) he would be notable as per GNG. Pwolit iets (talk) 00:26, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment about "high expectations" -- Wikipedia operates to an academic standard; it's an encyclopedia after all. It's not a WP:Indiscriminate collection of information. In addition, the RS requirement is more stringent for notability vs simply for content. Mr Lee clearly does not meet the required threshold of being a subject of WP:SIGCOV, as required by the notability guideline. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:49, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is no way this satisfies GNG. Neither does it satisfy the lower expectations of PORNBIO. As for the rants about "Deletionism", did you ever realise that the runaway "Inclusionism" of yesteryears is responsible for what Wikipedia has become? A place for promotional article about non-notable topics? All of this reduces the long term credibility of the encyclopaedia turning us into just another internet site where anyone can add information and people use it as a medium for promotion. An encyclopaedia is supposed to be accurate and NPOV, which is why we require significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. (See WP:WHYN). That clearly isn't happening here. Wikipedia is the sum of all human knowledge, not the sum of all human garbage. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:34, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 23:57, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails PORNBIO -- simply not enough body of work. Quis separabit? 15:00, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - notable, nominated as best footballer in 2015, 2012 and 2011 and player of the year in 2014 as well as a nomination for Best striker in 2013...you don't need to win to be notable, just ask Ted Cruz...article needs work but the player is very notable...--Ste moc 17:44, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Stemoc: This article is about an actor, not a footballer. I'm not sure what is meant by such piping as "nomination for [[XRCO Award|Best striker]] in 2013" --? In any case, nominations do not count under PORNBIO. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:41, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - notable for nomination at AVNA – J U M P G U R U ^{■ask㋐㋜㋗■} 05:14, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there's plenty of coverage showing notability for the "Simon Cowell of the porn industry". — Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 20:30, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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