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File:Din of Celestial Birds, Sep 2006, film poster.jpg

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: delete. Sorry, but it doesn't seem like consensus here considers this use of the image as WP:NFCC#8-compliant. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:54, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

originally nominated for dated deletion under WP:CSD#F7 by @JJMC89 as failing WP:NFCC#8 FASTILY 06:39, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This file is currently orphaned which means it's going to be deleted per WP:F5 if not added to at least one article soon. Based on the non-free use rationale provided on the file's page, I don't see how the non-free use in Begotten (film) would meet WP:NFCC#8 since movie poster art is not really considered OK to identify specific sections of an article about a film unless there is some sourced critical commentary about the poster art itself, not just about whatever is discussed in the relevant section. If the short Din of Celestial Birds is Wikipedia notable in its own right per WP:NFILM or WP:GNG and a stand-alone article can be written about it, then this file would be OK to use for primary identification purposes at the top of or in the main infobox of such an article; the same justification, however, is generally not considered acceptable for uses in sections of other articles which might be related to the film in some way but are not specifically about the film in question. So, simply re-adding this file to Begotten (film)#Din of Celestial Birds would not meet NFCC#8 in my opinion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:08, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NFCC#8. The Din of Celestial Birds poster is not used as the primary means of visual identification of the article subject (Begotten) and is not the subject of sourced critical commentary. — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:18, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sorry I didn't get to this sooner, I just readded the image to the article it was originally included in. The reason I feel this image should be kept is that it is a means of visual identification for Din of Celestial Birds which is merged with tha article of its predecessor Begotten. It serves as a visiual point of reference and identification for the film as it is considered by the director of both films to be a part of an unofficial series, which is mentioned in the caption of the image. The section the image is included in is notable as it discusses what Begotten's director referred to as a "spiritual sequel" to that film, exploring a different avenu (the theory of evolution as oppose to the originals exploration of creation myths and legends). If there are any other ways to improve the file information/details to keep it from being deleted I will be willing to do so.--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:44, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looked over the image again, and the standards. I will list the reasonins for meeting WP:NFCC#8:
- Image is not used in a way that would be detrimental to it's original market role as a film poster.
- Fits minimum usage as it is limited to a single article, and is used to convey a similarity in visual style to its predecessor, something that is better conveyed through the use of an image.
- Image description page lists the original publication, purpose, and reasons. There is no separate article on Din of Celestial Birds as that article did not have enough sources to consitute its own article and a concensus was reached that it was to be merged with the article on its predecessor Begotten.
Hope this clarifies things.--Paleface Jack (talk) 22:08, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
None of those three points support that criterion 8 is met. The first addresses criterion 2. The second addresses criterion 3. The third address criterion 10. As to your initial !vote, criterion 8 is about the article subject, and Din of Celestial Birds is not the article subject. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:33, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - it's use as visual identification is for a section and not the subject of the article, and there is no sourced commentary about the image. Fails WP:NFCC#8. -- Whpq (talk) 18:58, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Unless Din of Celestial Birds is created and the image is used only there. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:51, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]