Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 August 28

August 28

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more files. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the file's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: No consensus -Fastily 09:38, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No evidence this meets WP:NFCC#1. This person played 115 matches, and so anyone at any of those matches could licence us a photo. Also, NFCC#1 justification on the non-free template is incorrectly listed as for visual identification of the person in question, at the top of his/her biographical article- which is not a valid reason for this criteria. We shouldn't be just farming images off the Internet just after people die when free images of public figures could be obtained. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've seen that games in some South American countries are covered by national press agencies who release the photos into free use. As he played in continental championships, there's a possibility there could be multiple images available. Also, he was at one of the big two teams in Uruguay, a football crazy country - even if his appearances were low, surely fans would see him at training, on the bench, outside the ground? Compared to when I've uploaded files for 1960s players, the chances of a free replacement here are high. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Could not possibly have exhausted options for a free alternative just a day after his death. Wikipedia:Example requests for permission can be used to ask photographers for permission.—Bagumba (talk) 12:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Izquierdo had been a professional footballer since 2018. If any free image of him has been found to date, what makes you think that it will magically appear? I've done a search on Commons database (specifically in categories of teams where Izquierdo played such as players of Peñarol, or players of Nacional, and even in Uruguay national team starting line ups with no successful result.

I think that leaving the photograph there until a free image can be found (if that happens), would be the most reasonable decision. Fma12 (talk) 15:26, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think every free photograph in human history has been uploaded to Commons? He played for Uruguay's big two - the equivalent of playing for Celtic and Rangers in Scotland, a country of similar population, football fandom and big team domination. So yes, I do think that many people in Uruguay have a photo of him, either at a game, training, fan event, trophy celebration etc. that they could upload just like many millions of other players. He was a key player when Liverpool Montevideo won their first league title in over a century - did nobody go to the parade? Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You continue talking about suppositions, no real facts. There are loads of key players with no free images of them available for use, wheter they are notable or not. Fma12 (talk) 17:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still not a policy based argument. Facts? It's a fact no fan ever took one photo of him, ever? Do people not have mobile phones in Uruguay? This was not the Loch Ness Monster, this was a player for the two biggest clubs, a title winner at a third club, and someone who played away at huge grounds in South America. Unknown Temptation (talk) 06:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of footballers that have played for some of the greatest clubs in the world and there is not a single licensed-free image of them. I can guess you're Uruguayan, aren't you? because your arguments are based on a fan's point of view rather than a neutral one.

Izquierdo played for Peñarol and Nacional, it's true. But he was not notable (in terms of fame or repercussion) like Francescoli or Cavani (just to name two examples) so finding free photographs of him could not be as easy as you suppose. Fma12 (talk) 18:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Marc Vivien Foe was also a player who played in the top flight of a very popular league and played for their national team yet no one uploaded a free picture of him yet, Manute Bol was a basketball sensation and legend and his wiki still has a fair use image, same to Tupac, same to Biggie. It doesn't really make sense why we are discussing fantastical situations where we should ask every person who attended a game where Izquierdo was in and ask for permission if they took a photo of him. We can wait and eventually a free picture may appear (this happened in Selena Quintanilla page) but as of now, the Fair Use rationale is ok, maybe just change the wording to better comply with NFCC#1. Hyperba21 (talk) 17:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is what I have been trying to explain since the beginning.... If there is any free image of a dead person, what is the problem with uploading a NFCC one? Or should we wait indefinitely to someone upload a photograph? Discussing such a thing is really a waste of time. Fma12 (talk) 18:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Hyperba21. Plenty of famous people have no known free images available. We don't define any kind of standard around how famous someone was during their life that we can assume there must be free images available, and I don't think we should, considering how subjective that is. Fma12's argument makes more sense to me than Bagumba's—we shouldn't be presuming that no search was made during Izquierdo's lifetime, and a free image isn't significantly more likely to appear for a person whose death was recent. Instead of trying to define some kind of WP:BDP-like period after someone dies, we should require an actual replacement image be provided. hinnk (talk) 08:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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