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September 19

Requesting article to move

I've requested the Draft:Ethiopian Revolution in Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests under Uncontroversial request yesterday, and still inactive for several hours ago last edited by GeoffreyT2000. The Supermind (talk) 05:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, The Supermind: firstly, every editor on Wikipedia is a volunteer and does what they want when they choose to (or not); such 'backroom' work is less popular than 'upfront' editing, so maybe none of the few editors willing to do it (I am not) have even noticed your request yet.

Secondly, you made your request in or approaching the evening of Western Europe and North America, where the majority of active Editors live – it's still night or early morning in the USA, for example. Give it some time, like maybe a few days.

Thirdly, much of the Western World's (and probably many Wikipedia editors') attention is currently focussed on an ongoing and very rare event, which will be completed later today (I'm listening on radio while typing this, and will shortly be watching). Excuse us while we mourn. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.160 (talk) 09:43, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

User:90.193.131.160, First, you're not aware relevant answer for my request here, and second all Wikipedia users are contributing over the world, I don't care about the Western world. Third, there is significant contributors in Ethiopia and not less than 100 users. Ethiopia-related article is growing recently and most native users are active than foreign intruding nationals like the West. Anyway, the article successfully moved to mainspace. Thank you for your responding. The Supermind (talk) 10:52, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, The Supermind. Please don't be rude to your fellow editors. Like the IP user said, Wikipedia is volunteer work. I agree that some of their answer might not have been entirely relevant, but I'd rather not have an argument between you develop.

Asparagusus (interaction) 12:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Asparagusus: Oh! I didn't recognize the IP user means which they said there was congestion over the ongoing death of Elizabeth II and ignored this idea to convey. It came in my mind that the Western Europe and North America are the only contributors in Wikipedia, having greater superiority than other regions, and seemed to me a demographic bias. I'm so sorry for my neglect to this IP editor and I'm sincerely saddened by Queen's death. Happy editing! The Supermind (talk) 13:38, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@The Supermind I predict that many, many more admins and editors who can and will do "technical moves" on the Wikipedia for the English-speaking world live in Wesrern Eutope and North America, which is exactly what IP 90 said. Far fewer of this specific subset of editors will live in Ethiopia, although all editors and readers are equally important. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

71.228.112.175, is true explanation. I agree with you. Most editors have plurality in 2013 in Western, Central Europe, North America, India, Russia, Australia and New Zealand (see Wikipedia:Wikipedians#Demographics). But this data may change over decade due to awareness of editing news and other articles in the rest of the world. It depends on how sources are concentrated toward specific countries, most of them are great powers having considerable reputation to its kind. The Supermind (talk) 06:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@The Supermind Yes, that data may change. Still, in 2022, you need to give the volunteer editors some time to sleep. They are not (all) AI minds (yet)... 71.228.112.175 (talk) 12:23, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

single-bracket wikilinks with '-en' suffix that can't be edited?

I was trying to clean the Knob-and-tube wiring article, and noticed that there are some links that appear in wiki markup as (for example) [joist-en] (being a link to the [joist-en] article on the English Wikipedia). I tried fixing these, and the article history tells me I was successful, but when I hit the Edit button, those weird links are still there in the wiki markup!

Has anyone come across this before? I can't find any info about this format of links anywhere, either... [User:EditorInTheRye|EditorInTheRye-en] (talk) 08:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

The edit history shows that you have made two edits to the article. In the first, you made several changes (mostly removing bolding), but in that same edit you somehow changed [[joist]] to [joist-en] - which is not proper link to joist, it displayed as "[joist-en]" (and the same for two other links). Then in the next edit you fixed them. MB 08:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hmm yes, this seems to be affecting all my edits at the moment, maybe it's some server side error? (you'll notice that this edit has changed the user page link to this format as well, which I seem to have no control over) EditorInTheRye (talk) 09:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@EditorInTheRye: The browser extension Consent-O-Matic can cause this. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:30, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Yep, I have that installed, so I think you're absolutely right. Thank you! EditorInTheRye (talk) 10:58, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I have added Consent-O-Matic to Wikipedia:Browser notes#Unwanted effects (not that I expect many to find it). PrimeHunter (talk) 12:43, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Looks like this issue won't persist for long, as I managed to find a discussion of the bug on their GitHub page, and indeed there was an update waiting for the Safari version I'm using. EditorInTheRye (talk) 13:50, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

How can we createMam's Profile on Wikipedia, just like we have information about doctors, players on wikipedia

How can we createMam's Profile on Wikipedia, just like we have information about doctors, players on wikipedia Dr Vidushi Agrawal (talk) 09:46, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

how to use wikipedia to create personal profile for someone Dr Vidushi Agrawal (talk) 09:57, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

The answer is probably, You don't.

Wikipedia is not a social media site like LinkedIn, which contains profiles: it is an encyclopaedia, which contains neutral articles about notable subjects.

If the person in question meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there could be an article about them. The article will not belong to them, will not be controlled by them, will not necessarily contain what they would like it to contain, and should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with them have chosen to publish about them, not on what they or their associates say or want to say.

If you can find the independent reliable published sources which are a non-negotiable minimum for establishing notability, then please read your first article, to find out how to create a draft article.

Creating a new article is much much more difficult than new editors usually realise, and I always advise people not to even try until they have been making improvements to existing articles for a few months and learnt how Wikipedia works. Note that if the person you want to create an article is somebody you are connected with, that makes it even harder because your conflict of interest may make it difficult to write in a neutral way about them. ColinFine (talk) 10:45, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Dr Vidushi Agrawal Who, or what, is Mam? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:51, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Strange category

Hi all: at the top of The International Journal of Lower Extremity Wounds there is a weird category which doesn't appear in the list of categories at the end, and although it has WL brackets it's displaying as text. Might it be somehow incorrectly auto-generated from {{Infobox journal}} which does have a similar |impact-year= parameter? doesn't appear to have an explanation. Any ideas? Cheers, MinorProphet (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@MinorProphet: Yes, it's generated by {{Infobox journal}}. |impact-year= should only be a year. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Fixed, many thanks. MinorProphet (talk) 12:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Resolved

Name Correction

Article on Michael Wagner writer. Name is Michael B. Wagner not Michael I. Wagner. I'm one of his sisters. 2600:1700:5584:0:689B:B14A:C3C0:1C9F (talk) 12:33, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Michael I. Wagner. He is entered on two websites – neither unfortunately qualifying as "Reliable" – listed under External links, as "I.". On the other hand, at least one other (probably unreliable) website (see https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/11732385) gives "B.".

What is needed is a published Reliable source to confirm his initial. (Wikipedia cannot, for obvious reasons, accept as fact an assertion from an anonymous IP address, since it cannot be absolutely certain that you really are his sister – unfortunately prankers and vandals frequently attempt to insert false information.)

Can you provide either a link to, or the bibliographic details of, an authoritative published source – such as an article in a respected newspaper or journal, or a book from a respected publisher – that confirms "B."? If not, it might be necessary to remove mention of the initial from the article and move it to a new title, such as (but not necessarily) "Michael Wagner (writer)". {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.160 (talk) 13:43, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

• The creator of the page with the "I" middle initial is Vrio, but they have not edited since 2014. The person who changed the DAB page link in 2012, TonyTheTiger, is still around - maybe they can comment. The various "I" spellings on the internet reek of WP:CITOGENESIS. I will put a request at WP:RX for the book source about Probe. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Padlock icon

Hi, browsing through earlier posts, #Regarding page lock and page revert mentions {{padlock}} which has a very specific function. I wondered if there is a template which displays the same padlock icons eg |url-access= registration/subscription etc. of {{cite book}}, but for manually typed citations? Cheers, MinorProphet (talk) 12:39, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

There's {{subscription required}} and {{registration required}}, although they use text rather than the padlock symbol. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 13:31, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

There is this:

{{free access}} →

As far as I know, there isn't a template equivalent of |url-access=registration () or |url-access=subscription () but there is:

{{closed access}} →

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

{{limited access}} → . PrimeHunter (talk) 14:12, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Fantastic! Perhaps they could all be gathered together into a single template...(?) Anyway, thanks all for your collective expertise. Blue skies, MinorProphet (talk) 16:18, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Another

Resolved

Add Power Line Church on the incorporated list

Add Power line Church on the incorporated list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.234.160.37 (talk) 16:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

We have no article on any 'Power Line Church', and if there is a list somewhere you think it should be added to, you'll have to tell us which one. And cite sources showing why. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:35, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm guessing that it is this church in Florida, but it would not meet WP:GNG for a standalone article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

To explain the answers that have already been given, but that might be a bit obscure to a new editor: Wikipedia is not a list of everything. It only covers subjects that meet its own definition of notability (roughly, that several independent sources have discussed the subject in some depth), and most organisations - even most churches - do not. Only if Power Line Church meets those criteria could we have an article on it, and only then should it appear in a "list" article. --ColinFine (talk) 18:35, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

We have more than 100,000 lists. It's possible but unlikely that whatever you mean by "the incorporated list" actually does allow adding it without an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter I thought that all WP lists were lists of articles. No? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 12:25, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Not all. For example, a church might be in a list of all churches in a small area or belonging to a small denomination. I'm not going to spend time looking for potential lists to add the church to when the poster fails to say where they want it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:13, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Wiki ED users with usernames that may not be appropriate or unconstructive edits

Hello! I've previously seen users contributing via wikied with usernames that I'd normally consider problematic. However I usually don't bother reporting them because WikiEd should have some sort of approval for usernames... right? I also recently encountered a WikiEd user who made an unconstructive edit to an article (which I warned them for). Should I be treating WikiEd users like normal users or should I be leaving them to something/someone else? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

From my understanding student editors are not above the law, and in fact some have been blocked for unacceptable usernames (i.e HomoeroticMikePenceExperience). The point of Wiki Ed is to teach students how to edit Wikipedia, not to put them in their own filter bubble in which the volunteer community is not welcome. So, go ahead and treat them like you would anyone else. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:24, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Pppery: Alright sounds good, thanks! I see student editors as in sort of a gray area, they have people who are supposed to watch them, but at the same time they're also normal editors. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Pppery.

@Blaze Wolf you should treat them like other editors, but if they run into problems you can always ping me. I'm happy to intervene with any students in classes we support, and I have a good chance of being able to reach people who aren't reading their talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:11, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ian (Wiki Ed): Sounds good, thanks! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Adding information to a wikipedia page

Adding information to a wikipedia page. 2601:87:4200:6330:ADFC:A5D9:5FEA:C105 (talk) 22:03, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

What about it? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposed updates to the NAD page

Hello good people, I would like to propose updating the NAD page (Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide - Wikipedia) with current research being conducted by NAD Research (https://nadresearch.org/). I am not a science writer, but I am familiar with the work of NAD Research. Are you able to advise me about the appropriateness of undertaking this update myself? Thank you for your assistance. NAD writer NAD writer (talk) 22:31, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

If the research in question has been reliably published (and for a subject like this, it probably should meet the more stringent conditions of WP:MEDRS) then it can be summarised in the article. Whether or not you are a science writer is irrelevant, but your chosen name suggests that you might be connected with nadresearch.org. If you are, then you have a conflict of interest in seeking to add that project's research to the article, and should certainly discuss it on the article's talk page first, and get consensus that it is appropriate to add. ColinFine (talk) 23:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Colin,

Thank you for your response. Yes, I am connected to NAD Research. Where do I find the article's talk page?

Thank you again. NAD writer (talk) 23:04, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Articles have a 'Talk' tab at the top left; or in this case, here's a link: Talk:Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide --136.56.52.157 (talk) 23:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@NAD writer Please read the linked text at "conflict of interest" in ColinFine's answer. Thanks. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)