Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/England task force

Startup

Off we go...officially launched today as the first WP Football task force...let's get to work! Paulbrock 11:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Bristol Rovers F.C. is a GA

Hi, Saw your announcement, It's not a particular interest of mine but you may be interested to know Bristol Rovers F.C. is already a GA if you want to tag it.— Rod ^talk 11:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Cardiff City F.C.

Should Cardiff City F.C. be included in this task force. They're Welsh, but play in an English league. And also other Welsh clubs e.g. Swansea City A.F.C. and Wrexham A.F.C. I'd include them. What do you guys think? Mattythewhite 08:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I would say yes, as they are involved in the English football league. Hopefully fans of these clubs will understand why there are covered by the England task force! Dave101→talk  14:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Navigation box templates for all Championship clubs

I went ahead and created navigation box templates for all of this season's Championship clubs that didn't have them. Some are a bit skimpy as I only used information readily available in the club's article or category. I used the Hull City template as a basis as it was fairly well fleshed out. I didn't modify existing templates except QPR's (changed colour to a shade of blue closer to the club's own) and Wolves' (changed from orange to gold), and spell out "Football Club" in the title bar for those clubs that had it abbreviated.

I also grouped all football templates for each club like this (Except Cardiff's, which wasn't set up to use the start and end templates):

{{fb start}}

{{Club Navbox Template}}

{{Original Football League clubs}} (if applicable)

{{English football league system cells | level = 2 | promotion = [[FA Premier League]] | relegation = [[Football League One]]}}

{{Football in England table cells}}

{{fb end}}

Below is Hull City's as an example:

So all Championship club football templates are in a standardised format now. I don't mean this to be the final word by any means; if anybody wants to expand a new navbox, please feel free. Doonhamer 02:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Userbox

I have done the userbox do you like it? {{User:Roosterrulez/WikiProject Football/England task force}} mattypc 12:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Tony Pulis

Can someone take a look at the recent additions to this article. They are a lot more toned down than they were, but I'm still not sure they are NPOV. I've been sworn at for my efforts so will leave it alone. Regan123 (talk) 08:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I've reverted the last couple of edits. Completely POV. Peanut4 (talk) 12:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in. A third party opinion is always good in these cases. Regan123 19:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

FA cup seasons

Hello everyone! I'm new to the taskforce, but have been working on creating FA cup season pages. Do we have any guidelines for style? Also, I have noticed that the template shows pages linked to other wiki pages, but also to the FA cup website. Should we standardize this? Trjumpet (talk) 16:27, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed (and reverted) the template, messy messy messy! Linking a load of red link years to one page on the FA site, not recommended. can't help you for Season guidelines sorry, I'm sure there's some club ones, don't know about competitions though. Paulbrock (talk) 03:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Our own ratings?

I was wondering if task forces such as ours should have a separate importance rating for each article? At the moment the importance rating is given for "football" in general, and cascaded down to the task forces, sometimes in a way that is misleading IMO. For instance Thierry Henry appears in Category:High-importance football in Italy articles: from this category it would appear that he has therefore made a great contribution to Italian football, but in fact he only played a few games for Juventus. He appears in this category because he is important to football in general, and task forces don't have a separate rating system. Would it be possible/desirable to get our own importance ratings? --Jameboy (talk) 23:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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Featured/Good content section getting quite large

Our Featured/Good content section is now getting quite large. I propose that we take this opportunity to re-vamp it (I think there are also probably a few articles missing), and I suggest that we use the same format as at Wikipedia:FOOTY#Showcase, with the show/hide boxes. Having the same format as the main project will make ours much easier to maintain. We won't have it split out into Players, Clubs and Stadia etc. but I think it's worth sacrificing that for ease of updating. If there are no objections within the next seven days I will go ahead and make the changes. --Jameboy (talk) 20:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not a big fan of the Wikipedia:FOOTY#Showcase section. If we are trying to showcase these sections, why are they hidden? I would prefer a section similar to either WP:FA or WP:GA. Peanut4 (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Good point, I hadn't thought about it like that. In that case I'll concentrate on just getting it updated for now we can continue to mull over how (if at all) the format could be improved. --Jameboy (talk) 12:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, by my reckoning the task force now has more than 150 pieces of good or featured content, so well done to everyone who has been involved in making English football articles better and long may it continue... --Jameboy (talk) 15:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Club status

Hi lads!
I'm from Project Football at ru-wiki. We try to work up Footballers' Notability criteria but there's a problem we can't resolve — may I ask for your help?
The idea is to regard a person as 'significant' enough if he (or she) have been played for pros in one league game. But how can we find out what is the status of the club the person played for (are they professional, semi-pros or amateur)? Is it correct to define League Two as division at pro level? What about old Division Three/Four? Are there any 'mixed' divisions in England where professional clubs and part-timers play together? Thank you! --Ingumsky (talk) 08:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

A quick answer is that League Two and the old Division Three and before that Division Four are and were professional levels. The current Conference National division is a mix of professional and some semi-pro teams. However, you may be find it easier to ask at WP:FOOTY to get more input from other editors. Peanut4 (talk) 18:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Gracias mate! --Ingumsky (talk) 20:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

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Scope

"Players and managers that are English, or have played for an English club." Should we tag non-English players that were contracted to an English club (either permanently or on loan) but never made an appearance? --Jameboy (talk) 22:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I would say so. Just. Mainly because he has played a part in English football. Peanut4 (talk) 22:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I guess also because an English football "expert" would be able to add something to the article, even if only that the player signed, played no games and went on his way. --Jameboy (talk) 23:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. DeMoN2009 10:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, we aren't talking about an article existing or not, as in WP:FOOTY notability. An article already exists, so we may be able to add to it. Seems conclusive then. --Jameboy (talk) 13:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

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East Lancashire derby

Hi, I have just completely overhauled this article. Thing is I am a Blackburn fan and whilst trying to be as unbiased as possible some may have crept in there. Just wondering if someone could have a look. Apologies if this is in the wrong place. If so can you point me in the right direction. Thanks Bobatron83 (talk) 23:01, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

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Alternative PL table

Manchester United F.C. was just promoted to GA, so I thought I'd make this alternative Premier League table of clubs ranked by Wikipedia status:

Team	Status
Arsenal
Aston Villa
Chelsea
Manchester City
Manchester United
Norwich
Sunderland
Liverpool
Newcastle United
West Bromwich
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Everton
Stoke City
Swansea
Tottenham Hotspur
Wigan Athletic
Wolverhampton Wanderers
Fulham
Queens Park Rangers

Lampman (talk) 13:12, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Team	Status
City of Manchester Stadium
Old Trafford
Chelsea
Anfield
DW Stadium
Goodison Park
KC Stadium
St Andrew's (stadium)
Stadium of Light
Turf Moor
Villa Park
Emirates Stadium
Stamford Bridge
Boleyn Ground
Craven Cottage
White Hart Lane
Britannia Stadium
Ewood Park
Molineux Stadium
Reebok Stadium

I've added the same for the grounds. Not that the Premier League is the be-all and end-all of course - I'll try to add the same info for the other divisions if I get time. --Jameboy (talk) 17:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

allfootballers.com

Does anyone know what happened to http://allfootballers.com? --Ureinwohner (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

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FLC List of Manchester United F.C. players (25–99 appearances)

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Oswaldtwistle Rovers F.C.

I'd like to improve this article – mostly because I like the name of the town – and would appreciate any pointers you have. The team played in Lancashire around the turn of the century; do you know of any good sources (web or printed) that could be put to use? Also, I'm not sure the WP Football Clubs Manual of Style makes sense here (we can only write about their history, for example). Are there any other defunct clubs whose article could be used as a template? Thanks! U+003F? 10:52, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

FA Premier League seasons

I've noticed that the FA Premier League season articles are all named "xxxx–yy FA Premier League" from 1992 to 2007, and thereafter they're "xxxx–yy Premier League", without the 'FA'. (See Category:Premier League seasons). Is there a reason for this apparent inconsistency? Colonies Chris (talk) 17:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Because the 'FA' was dropped from the league name in 2007. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:45, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks for clarifying that. Colonies Chris (talk) 18:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Category:Football clubs in England by county‎

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The discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 6#English_football_clubs_by_county, where contributions are welcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:49, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Jonathan William Hill

The Norwegian club Tromsø IL has hired an English assistant coach, Jonathan William Hill, and he has according to this article previously been working in the youth departments of Manchester United and Manchester City, and been technical director of all Jordan youth national teams. As a player he played for Everton's youth department, in has played professional for Crewe and Rochdale, according to Norwegian Wikipedia. The article on no:wp got the information from Hill's Linkedin profile, so neither can be used as a reliable source. My question is, did this guy play professional for Crewe and Rochdale, so that he passes WP:NFOOTY? Mentoz86 (talk) 09:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Premier League clean sheets

I'm tempted to set up a page similar to List of Premier League players with 100 or more goals for Goal keepers with most clean sheets. Thoughts?

Should playing of the England national team be in the main article?

England national football team I believe should have a section on its playing style as I believe there is enough analysis for it to be a subsection in the main article what are any elses thoughts.Dwanyewest (talk) 00:44, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2013/9/5/4696672/england-national-team-world-cup-qualifying-uefa http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2012/04/02/no-england-did-not-invent-football-soccer-as-we-know-it/ http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/27/sport/football/football-euro-england-warrior/index.html http://www.worldsoccer.com/columnists/england-has-always-provided-a-home-for-long-ball-football http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/24/sports/24iht-rob_1.html

I would have thought such content would be best served as part of the "History" section, since the team's playing style has obviously changed over time. I'm not even sure a nation can have a specific playing style, as different coaches and playing personnel will bring their own styles to the table, although I'm sure the sources you've provided (which I've not read) will prove me wrong. – PeeJay 01:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

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Notability of Draft:Lockstock United Football Club?

Am I correct in assuming that this is a non-notable club? Draft:Lockstock United Football Club? Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 18:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

You are correct.. not notable... JMHamo (talk)

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Articles in need of attention

During an AWB run of Category:English footballers, I found a number of articles that need attention. All are currently very basic stubs. Many have had content removed as unreferenced, which could be retrieved from the edit history if appropriate references are found. Others were created as one-line stubs in the first place and have had no attention since. I'll try to get to some of these myself, but thought it'd be useful to put the list out there.

John Cyril Campbell Gordon Clark (footballer) Mick Coady Gordon Coleman Wayne Entwistle Michael Griffin (footballer) Harry Griffiths (footballer, born 1886) Ken Hodgkisson Ken Houghton William Hughes (footballer) Norman James (footballer) Peter Jones (footballer, born 1937) Stanley Kane Andy Kilner Martin Lambert John Layton Hugh Lester Joe Lumsden Keith Masefield

Joe Mayo Ray McHale John McKenna (footballer) Laurie Millsom Jon Narbett Alex Nesovic Keith Peters (footballer) John Robson (footballer, born 1950) Jack Sambrook Tom Scott (footballer) Albert Shepherd John Sims (footballer) Rodney Slack Howard Spencer Ray Straw Chris Stringer (footballer) Dave Stringer William Stuart (footballer) Irvine Thornley

Nzd (talk) 15:00, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

National playing style

England national football team does any think that a section on the national playing style should be added? There is enough information to use [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Dwanyewest (talk) 14:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

English footballer abroad

Does any think an article called something like British footballers abroad or English footballers abroad is a notable enough subject? Dwanyewest (talk) 14:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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2018–19 Premier League

Can someone with knowledge of the subject look at this page, I came across an IP vandalizing Hearts and Scottish premier articles and they also were on the above article (along with a string of other dodgy edits) problem is I don't know which is a good version to revert back to! Thanks JW 1961 Talk 21:34, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect Badge, Coventry City

I have raised this issue on the talk page of the above team. Could someone take a look and see if they can remedy? Coventry City F.C. Coventryy (talk) 19:13, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

William Garbutt

excuse me if I write in italian: la federazione italiana calcio, FIGC, ha riconosciuto che Garbutt allenò in sei partite la nazionale italiana, la fonte è qui.. su di lui ci sarebbe ancora parecchio da scrivere, questo però è la sola cosa che al momento si può scrivere.. --2.226.12.134 (talk) 18:00, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Il suo articolo già menziona che era manager dell'Italia.--Egghead06 (talk) 08:54, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

now, I modified, if someone adds something in english it's okay because there is a need to explain why nobody knew before.. (la spiegazione è semplice, quelli erano i primi nni della storia della nazionale italiana e nessuno pensava di conservare i documenti ufficiali..) --2.226.12.134 (talk) 09:30, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Marc Canham (footballer)

Dear Chaps, would it be acceptable to change the name of that article to Marc Canham (footballer)? He played at Bath City until perhaps 2013, formerly at Colchester and Bournemouth. Do please contribute to Talk: Marc Canham Chumpih. (talk) 09:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

This change has now been made. Chumpih. (talk) 22:18, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Is he dead, or of record age?

John Paxton (footballer) is described as (born 1890). Is there a source to indicate that/when he died? Wikidata doesn't have a death date, and neither does the John Paxton (disambiguation) page. I'm reluctant to use {{birth date and age}} in the infobox though as it would show he is 131 years old. Thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 06:37, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Boldon Community Association F.C.

Boldon Community Association F.C. were promoted to the Northern Football League this year , the page previously only redirected to their former league the Wearside League. I have only been able to add very basic information. Red Jay (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Premier League team of the decade (poll by BBC)

Hello, I have noticed this being added to players' articles as an official honour: Premier League team of the decade: Who makes yours?. I think it should be disallowed as is clearly WP:USERGENERATED as it is a popularity contest among readers of the BBC. Any thoughts? Cheers, --SVTCobra 12:59, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Never mind, see WT:FOOTY#BBC's Premier League team of the decade, instead. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Kwame Adjeman-Pamboe

Can someone with experience of footballers' biographies check the Kwame Adjeman-Pamboe article? He has played for professional teams in several countries, but we now have him playing for an English Sunday league team. I think the sources stand up, but another opinion would be useful. Thanks, Verbcatcher (talk) 13:38, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Barrie Hole

Hello, I am looking for some information about the late footballer Barrie Hole who played for a number of clubs including Aston Villa and I thought that somebody here would probably be able to help me. I am aware that he won the Aston Villa Lions Club Terrace Trophy in 1969 from some photos I have seen online and brief mentions in unrelated articles. However, I am unable to find an article which explicitly and specifically talks about this. Surely there ought to be a list of winners somewhere. If anybody is able to find one or has any information at all regarding the Barrie Hole, please let me know. Many thanks!Vesuvio14 (talk) 16:46, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Norwich City F.C.

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Categories for National League (English football)

FYI

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Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Categories for National League (English football). --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 20:09, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Claim of England representing Great Britain at the 2024 Olympics

Resolved

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A reliable source was found to corroborate the claim. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 21:38, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Ernest Champion

Greetings, This article was PROD 10 May 2023‎ and reverted. Have been asking for help, and hopeful that someone here may be able to improve (de-orphan, etc.) the article. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 15:31, 23 October 2023 (UTC)