Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Companies

Help with Chime article

Hi! I'm an employee of Chime. I posted an edit request on the article's Talk page. Would anyone here be interested in reviewing my proposed changes to clean up some single-sentence paragraphs? Thanks in advance! Chime rep DB (talk) 21:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I see this was completed already. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@CNMall41: Yes, this previous request has been answered. However, I have a different outstanding request that has been sitting in the COI edit queue for about 2 months now. Would you have interest in reviewing it? Chime rep DB (talk) 21:42, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Who the founders are of merged banks

Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, UBS, Citigroup, NationsBank are examples of bank that have been formed by mergers. The founders in the infobox of them are the CEOs who happen to be in charge when the mergers occured. I would like to ask if this is acceptable to put it like this or would it be considered extrapolation on the level WP:OR. Right now I cannot really see the sources that explicitly call them "founders". Imcdc Contact 04:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Emiya1980: - Pinging user to share his POV

• They shouldn't have founders listed in that case. Merging two companies together is not the same as founding a company. Not every infobox field needs to be filled in. Toohool (talk) 14:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Agreed.

Probably an RFC was unnecessary, but we may as well see how it goes. Please make sure to notify each of those article talk pages of this centralised discussion. — HTGS (talk) 20:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• The founders of a company are the ones most directly responsible for its formation. If the CEOs of the pre-merger companies negotiated and oversaw the merger giving rise to an entirely new company, then they meet this qualification.Emiya1980 (talk) 02:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  Shouldn't each individual page have an Rfc devoted to this matter? What is good for the editors of one page will most likely diverge from the opinions of those associated with another.Emiya1980 (talk) 03:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  If we find reason to treat some articles as having different needs to others, then we can discuss each of those separately, but I doubt we will find that five different discussions are necessary. — HTGS (talk) 03:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  It looks like stretching the evidence. CEOs are not normally the majority owners of a large company, let alone a bank. While they may own stock, they are primarily professionals hired to run the affairs by the shareholders (equity owners, bondholders) who control the company. The CEOs may be trusted with taking the initiative, but are ultimately responsible to those who hired them and will be expected to consult key decisions such as mergers with them. JP Morgan Chase only list the original founders as "founders". VampaVampa (talk) 03:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  VampaVampa One problem though. Nearly all the figures that are referenced have been dead for almost a century at the time of JPMOrgan Chase's formation. So they can't be really called that company's actual founders, can they? Emiya1980 (talk) 03:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  Sure, I am not saying we should accept the forefathers as founders - just pointing out that the bank in question prefers us not to know about its recent history. But as others have said, it is fine to draw a blank in the absence of information on who actually decided the mergers. VampaVampa (talk) 11:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Stick to the predecessor(s) field for such mergers and leave out the founders field. Also MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE says an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored. Some of the founders listed in the BoA and JPM infoboxes for example have no mentions in the body, likely because as Imcdc pointed out this is just extrapolation and we are not going to find sources that would call them founders. Ptrnext (talk) 05:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Agree with several above, remove the founders infobox field for these banks all together, they are generally not the result of one merger but of several; and its confusing, A.P. Giannini is both famous for and what you get when you google founder of Bank of America, and no he was not involved in that merger, and it is true that these merger are not the same as just buying another company, rather they took a name or brand, someone else founded, and sometimes a different post-merger name, and then that changes again. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 10:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• I agree that those CEOs are not meaningfully founders. Where we can straightforwardly provide the founders of predecessor CEOs, we could, e.g.:

J.X. Ample (Fooian Bank)

Jimbo Wales (First Bank of Foo)

But we can also just leave that parameter blank. --BDD (talk) 18:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Founder in this context is meaningless. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 10:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Remove the "founders" from the infobox. Founders are more popularly thought of as creators of a company from scratch. In all the news articles of mergers over the years, I have never heard of CEOs of merging companies referred to as "founders". If CEOs' names are reported on in the references in relation to a merger, this factoid could be included in the History subsection of company articles. Occasionally, a list of former CEOs of a company might be noteworthy or appropriate, but that also is relative to individual articles. CEOs involved in merger process are primarily serving as business functionaries, and not otherwise noteworthy due to the merger happening. WmLawson (talk) 18:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  @WmLawson Yup, I second this and 100% agree. Founders are from scratch. The founders of merged banks should be traced back to their predecessors and if their predecessor was a merged bank, which is the case for NationsBank then all the way to the first entity. That would be the founder. A CEO is just the top job at the end of the day, but still a job. Alexysun (talk) 17:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Chime edit request

Hi! I'm looking for editors to review another request of mine for the Chime (company) article. I'm an employee of the company so I don't make direct changes. This time, I've posted suggestions for adding context and history from recent reporting by Forbes. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks! Chime rep DB (talk) 18:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Merge of business and companies WikiProjects

Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Business#Merge of business and companies WikiProjects. – Joe (talk) 18:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Notability discussions regarding Survival Records

There is a discussion taking place on Talk:Survival_Records. Opinions / guidance would be greatly appreciated. Graywalls (talk) 07:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Request to remove COI tag on the Valiant TMS page

Hi there,

I noticed the Valiant TMS draft had a Conflict of Interest tag. I'm the main editor of this page and a current employee at Valiant TMS. I've rewritten the content to make sure that it has a neutral point of view and free from advertising language. I'm requesting to have this tag removed as the issue has been fixed. Thanks. AliceMaiAnh (talk) 20:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Y.Chroma

Would someone from this WikiProject mind taking a look at Y.Chroma and assessing it per WP:NORG? The article was created directly in the mainspace yesterday (possibly by a COI or PAID editor) and never seems to have been reviewed. Even though it's a relatively short article, it has 30 citations and none of them seem (at least at first glance) to meet WP:CORPDEPTH, but the number of citations could be an unintentional attempt to WP:NOTEBOMB. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Pilot (automobile)

Pilot (automobile) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) contains 3 different unrelated topics, 2 of them car companies. That's a problem, since it is not a topic article, but a grabbag of independent topics that share a name. There are also other automotive topics not in this article called Pilot listed at Pilot (disambiguation). -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 07:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:Pilot (automobile)

65.92.247.96 (talk) 07:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Update: This has been split into 3 artricles -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 03:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Covanta#New page title

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Covanta#New page title that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Seeking feedback on NextEra Litigation request

Hi editors, I'm hoping folks here might have an interest in the request I made of the Litigation section in the NextEra Energy article and could offer some feedback on my proposal or how to make the request better. Thank you in advance for your consideration. NextEraMatt (talk) 16:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Subway restaurant article

To editors on WikiProject Companies,

I have an an outstanding conflict of interest request on the talk page the Subway company article regarding the products section. The purpose of my request is to make updates based on changes made to Subway's menu in the past several years. Thank you for your review. PHSubway (talk) 18:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Requesting input on Music Millennium

Active content disagreement at Talk:Music_Millennium over the inclusion of materials such as trivia and list of names who have done performances at the store. Graywalls (talk) 19:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Kaspersky bans and allegations of Russian government ties#Requested move 23 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kaspersky bans and allegations of Russian government ties#Requested move 23 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

GOAT

I need help with an article I created and updating an existing article. Can anyone please guide me? FastnloudCov (talk) 09:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

@FastnloudCov:, I am assuming you mean Draft:GOAT Group and this which is in your sandbox. First, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID and make the appropriate disclosure if applicable. Once that is done, can you explain the difference between those and GOAT (platform) as it appears to be the same? If a page already exists on the topic, it would be better to request the edits on the talk page. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

CNMall41 Sorry for the delayed response. I read the guidelines on conflict of interest and having one I made the disclosure on my user page. If this isn’t sufficient please tell me what additional information is needed. I do not want to submit anything until that is correct. For GOAT, it originally started as a platform but after a merger it created a parent company with many brands. I do not believe the individual brands other than the platform are notable so I included them in the draft for the parent company. References do talk about the platform and group separately so they are two companies and not the same. Please guide me on the next steps. --FastnloudCov (talk) 21:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@FastnloudCov:, I cleaned up the sandbox content to ensure everything matched the references. Looks like you moved a lot of information from that to the draft for the parent company. If I am online I will take a closer look at that tomorrow. You are free to submit the draft if you want someone to review it quicker. The COI disclosure looks fine. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@FastnloudCov:, I looked closer at Draft:GOAT Group and cannot see how it differs from GOAT (platform). Can you provide me with three sources meeting WP:ORGCRIT that shows how this is independently notable? If so, I will go back and look at the draft. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you CNMall41. Here are the three references you requested.

• LA Times article that discusses how GOAT got started. It begins with the GOAT platform but then transitions into how GOAT Group was formed and the rest of the article is about GOAT Group and its subsidiaries. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-07-16/goat-group-sneaker-empire-funding-expansion-plans
• Wall Street Journal article that talks about a funding round in 2021. It briefly lists the funding and then goes into detail about GOAT Group and its products and subsidiaries. It is more than just funding because it talks more about the GOAT Group’s history than funding. https://www.wsj.com/articles/goat-group-parent-of-sneaker-marketplace-valued-at-3-7-billion-in-latest-funding-round-11624532400
• Vogue article talks about how the formation of GOAT Group would be used to expand into other markets. It talks about valuation and also about how it got started. https://www.voguebusiness.com/companies/inside-goats-plans-to-merge-sneaker-resale-and-retail FastnloudCov (talk) 21:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@FastnloudCov:, I moved the page to the mainspace, although I also tagged one for a reference ("alias" subsection). I believe the information may be in the Wall Street Journal reference but I can only access part of that article. If you can provide an additional source for that I will add it. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of telecommunications companies § Split into regional articles

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of telecommunications companies § Split into regional articles. Adriazeri (talk) 20:17, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Midland Mainline#Requested move 9 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Midland Mainline#Requested move 9 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. JuniperChill (talk) 19:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Azets

Hi everyone, I've created a new stub for the company Azets. I notice that smaller firms such as Campbell Dallas which are now part of Azets have their own page. As such, it seems sufficiently large to merit a page of its own. The page could do with some expansion, however, I've tried to at least include a few links as a guide to people wanting to build on the stub. Nyctimene (talk) 17:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nyctimene:, I moved to draft space and left the following comment which I will copy here - "There is a lot of information that is not sourced. It is also highly promotional in tone which could lead to it being deleted speedily without discussion. I am moving to draftspace for now so you can work on the cleanup. I can come back to review once you have updated everything with proper sourcing (see WP:ORGCRIT) or even assist if you need help. I would also request that you read WP:COI and WP:PAID and make the appropriate disclosure if applicable."--CNMall41 (talk) 04:34, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Voepass Linhas Aéreas#Requested move 12 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Voepass Linhas Aéreas#Requested move 12 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 19:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Etisalat by e&#Requested move 12 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Etisalat by e&#Requested move 12 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:All-Russia State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company#Requested move 12 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:All-Russia State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company#Requested move 12 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Ellucian

If any feels like taking it on, there is Draft:Ellucian that I just declined through AfC. Although, it is a new company formed between the merger of SunGard and Datatel, both of which have pages (although I tagged them both for adverts). I think there needs to be some merging but not sure which target should keep the name and which ones should be redirected. Don't have the mindset at the moment to unwind everything. CNMall41 (talk) 23:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Cathay Dragon

Cathay Dragon has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 21:08, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

AXS Pte Ltd

Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at AXS Pte Ltd and assess it per WP:NORG? The article was created by an account that just a little over a month old who has declared on their userpage that they're a marketing professional; so, this could be a case of yet-to-be disclosed paid editing. Since the article is already in the mainspace, it's probably OK if the company is clearly Wikipedia notable since any promotional content can be cleaned up; on the other hand, if the company's Wikipedia notability is questionable, it might be a good idea to WP:DRAFTIFY the article to give its creator some more time to work on it and then submit to WP:AFC for review. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly:, I just moved it to draft. Sources fall short of WP:ORGCRIT. Would suggest we incorporate minimal content from the draft into the DBS Bank page (parent company).--CNMall41 (talk) 20:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Burger King products

Burger King products has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 00:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for British Airways

British Airways has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Seatylock

Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at Seatylock and assess it per WP:NORG? It was directly created in the mainspace a few weeks ago by a relatively new account (about a month old) that basically was making lots of minor-type of edits to articles about politicians before suddenly switching to creating an article about a bike lock company. That seems a bit odd to me, but perhaps others feel differently. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Les Films du losange#Requested move 29 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Les Films du losange#Requested move 29 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Merge discussion: Bent's Camp Resort into Mamie Lake (Wisconsin)

There is a discussion about whether Bent's Camp Resort should be merged into Mamie Lake (Wisconsin) at Talk:Mamie Lake (Wisconsin)#Merge Proposal. TarnishedPath^talk 14:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Lists of executives, directors and employees in company articles

Noticed that there has been some edit warring going on at Macquarie Group, specifically in relation to the leadership section. Is there is a specific policy section on this? From my observations normally only the Chair, CEO and any people who have their own article are mentioned in company articles.

There are some notable former people in Macquarie Group template that have linked articles, but does an article really benefit from listing every executive, every board member and every former ceo listed when they don't have a linked article? Tumusronad (talk) 12:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Signify N.V.#Requested move 4 September 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Signify N.V.#Requested move 4 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 14:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Union Bank of Switzerland

Union Bank of Switzerland has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Spinixster (trout me!) 06:15, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Levenger Company

Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at Levenger Company? I'm not sure "Company" needs to be part of the name of the article since the sources cited in the article seem to refer to it simply as "Levenger". -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I moved it and fixed the Wikidata description as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you CNMall41. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Oracle Cerner#Requested move 19 September 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Oracle Cerner#Requested move 19 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 03:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)