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Thanks for the improvements you've been making to articles, and also, out of curiosity, does your username refer to a porkpie hat made of a coconut, or a meatpie made with coconut?--Mr Fink (talk) 03:11, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

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	Hello. Your contributions to Wikipedia have been analyzed and it seems that this new Wikiproject would be interesting to you. I hope you can contribute to it by expanding the main page and later start editing the articles in its scope. Make sure to check out the Talk page for more information! Cheers Tetra quark (talk) 20:23, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For a lot of small, but constructive, contributions in your first few months here. Keep it up! AstroCog (talk) 02:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Aligning tables

How can I edit the following table to align it with the right side of the page? Coconutporkpie (talk) 17:08, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Add style="float:right" to the first line, see b:Editing Wikitext/Tables. JohnCD (talk) 18:02, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Placement of text/image

What is the best way to edit the following layout so that the table and accompanying text always appear beneath the map image? —Coconutporkpie (talk) 03:01, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Place {{clear left}} below the image. Datbubblegumdoe^talk_contribs 03:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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Making sidebar visible in mobile view

How can I make Template:Corporal punishment visible in mobile view (example page: corporal punishment in the home), as is Template:Martin Luther King, Jr. sidebar on the page Martin Luther King, Jr. Day? I checked WP:SIDEBAR for guidance, but didn't find the answer there. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 23:28, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Sidebars generally are deliberately not displayed in mobile view; the Martin Luther King Jr. one, which is not based on the {{sidebar}} template, is an exception. I would advise against following that example unless there's a good reason to deviate from the norm. Huon (talk) 00:29, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Test

§ Aligning tables

§§ Aligning tables​ and Previous section

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Lots of useful contributions, from a Coconut, to another Coconut, you have my applause. Regards, CoconutPaste (talk) 16:22, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Playfulness

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Nomination of Charity watchdog for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Charity watchdog is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charity watchdog until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Following rules

Coconutporkpie, I do not mean to butt heads with you or offend you, and would rather work with you than against you. I certainly prefer to discuss when necessary than to edit war. But I do feel that you often interpret Wikipedia's rules too strictly. That's why I replied the way I did to you in this section at Talk:Child abuse, in this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film, and, most recently, in this section on my talk page where Checkingfax weighed in. Rules should be followed, but not so rigidly; this is why people point to WP:Ignore all rules or WP:Common sense, or even the "The advice in this guideline is not limited to the examples provided and should not be applied rigidly." part of the WP:Words to watch guideline. I know that you and SMcCandlish disagreed at Talk:Child abuse, but he can explain better than I can what I mean about not being too strict when it comes to following the rules. So, hopefully, he weighs in here and offers some advice. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:31, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

School corporal punishment

Hello, I was just wondering why you thought there were no schools in the sense that we understand them in the Middle Ages. At least in the UK there were grammar schools in that era -- and even before (my own school was founded in the 8th century). I believe the use of CP in schools descends directly from that culture. So I am not persuaded that it was right to remove the birching drawing. -- Alarics (talk) 08:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Image has been restored as of 25 November. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 00:46, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Help w/image template

Following one of the examples at Template:Multiple image, I've tried to make a layout (below) using three images from Commons, but the images don't show up on the page. What am I missing? —Coconutporkpie (talk) 07:37, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Rivers, lakes, and marshlands, such as (from top) South America's Amazon River, Russia's Lake Baikal, and the Everglades in the United States, are types of freshwater systems.

You missed the part of the instructions that said "filename only, i.e. without "File:" or "Image:" prefix". JohnCD (talk) 08:58, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Inappropriate attempts alter the talk page at Ajax (play)

Please leave the talk page alone. The record of your pattern of recent poor behaviour there belongs where it is.  • DP •  ^{huh?} 22:26, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

I think you may be overreacting here. Would you care to define "poor behavior" and provide examples of specific edits? —Coconutporkpie (talk) Coconutporkpie (talk) 23:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

I would define poor behaviour as the latest in a tediously long line of inappropriate behaviours that the edit page details.  • DP •  ^{huh?} 01:11, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

September 2016

Your recent editing history at Talk:Ajax (play) shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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It takes two to edit-war. I'm referring to this edit here, plus this edit and this edit. I would call that a perfect example of how not to follow the three-revert rule. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 01:35, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

It takes one to ignore several editors' requests that you stop.  • DP •  ^{huh?} 01:42, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

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If archiving or moving of discussions has been objected to, please do not repeat the action unless there is consensus to do so. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:51, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

The AN3 complaint is now closed with a warning that you may be blocked if you archive again at Talk:Ajax (play) without getting prior consensus. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 22:05, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

"User:Coconutporkpie . . . appears to believe that it is fine to move material to talk archives against the wishes of of the other participants" – While I find such efforts at mind-reading to be impressive in terms of their audacity, it might be simpler to ask me what I believe. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 22:27, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

You have removed threads from Talk:Ajax (play) nine times since August 30. In most cases, someone else then reverted your change. A fact that suggests your removals did not have consensus. It also indicates a pattern of edit warring, which is a basis for admins to take action. EdJohnston (talk) 22:39, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

And which of those things proves "belief" exactly? —Coconutporkpie (talk) 22:50, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

There's no reason for me to comment further here. EdJohnston (talk) 23:04, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Is that a way of saying that you cannot answer the question, or that you find the question to be inappropriate? —Coconutporkpie (talk) 23:56, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

WP:EW is a policy, and it takes precedence over the guidelines you cite in edit summaries as reasons for archiving, such as WP:TALKO. If you believe that User:NeilN and I warned you inappropriately you can appeal at ANI. EdJohnston (talk) 01:05, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

That doesn't answer my question. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 02:25, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

November 2016

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Flight International. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
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If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:06, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Using sources

Supernumerary staff are additional staff members who complement the regular staff of a society or company. In the practice of human resource management, supernumerary staff are generally given a particular mission, which may or may not resemble the work of the regular staff. Their contract is generally temporary, although it may happen that they are their contribution is needed for the long term. The practice of remuneration may vary from either high remuneration to non-remuneration.

The two sources cited here define the concept of supernumerary staff members only for very specialized contexts, namely, that of the employment of European Space Agency scientists and staff members of Deakin University in Victoria, Australia, respectively. Therefore these sources are inappropriate for factual claims about the general nature of supernumerary employees. Basing generalized statements on these specialized sources would be a form of original research – see Wikipedia:No original research § Using sources. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 20:22, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

I also removed the following citations that do not sufficiently verify statements made in the article:

• "Lexicon". Commission Des normes du travail, Government of Québec. Archived from the original on 24 July 2008.
• "Ability Plus - Training Scheme for People with Disabilities". Government of Birmingham, UK. Archived from the original on 11 March 2008.
• "Un contador supernumerario del Ministerio de Marina". Catálogo del museo de la fundación Lázaro Galdiano. Museo Lázaro Galdiano. Archived from the original on 25 February 2006.
• "Excmo. Sr. D. Eugenio Andrés Puente, Curriculum Vitae". Archived from the original on 29 September 2007.

The Québec government page once again defines supernumerary only in a very limited context, and so is inappropriate as a source for general factual claims; the Birmingham government page simply says nothing about the topic; the presence of a painting in a museum collection with supernumerario in the title verifies nothing about supernumerary accountants; and a curriculum vitae, as a self-published source, is not a reliable source of information for an encyclopedia article. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:31, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

In addition, none of the sources listed here show significant coverage of the topic as required to establish notability. All the mentions are essentially trivial ones. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:14, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For your impressive diligence combating noise and fixing flow and formatting on wp:Articles_for_deletion/David_Seaman_(journalist). Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:57, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hostile and ignorant AfD

Your substantial blanking, and then subsequent AfD of an article on the most well-known and long-standing aeronautics journal was either significant ignorance or a disruptive push. Doing it over the Christmas holidays makes it look even more like disruption. Now don't persist in edit-warring to blank most of it over and over again when you obviously know so little about the subject. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Abbreviation for "subspecies"

Hi, in the English Wikipedia, we always use "subsp." not "ssp."; see, e.g., Wikipedia:Naming conventions (flora)#Ranks requiring connecting terms. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

March 2017

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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You began reverting again, without talk page consensus, as soon as protection ended :-( Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:52, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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