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Let me just ask that you revert it, just for the sake of MOS:DABINT, not for the chuckles. The variations are many and they are cleanly divided into sections, no reason not to reflect it in the intro. -- Netoholic @ 18:49, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

If you want to revert it, I won't interfere. But I think that most readers will get the gist using the shorter version. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:52, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Done. If we had a Featured Disambiguation Page classification, this would be on the shortlist for it, and the variations are part of its charm informative value. Crazy how often this same basic utterance is reused in music especially. -- Netoholic @ 19:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Question

I changed it into a question? Is that better? QuackGuru (talk) 13:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

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For when you have to deal with tiredness, or tiresome discussions with grumpy users. Best. Calthinus (talk) 23:38, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

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NPOV / AESTHETIC

Hi SdeBoeuf! I *don’t think* your recent edit to WP:NPOV has worked as intended?

You inserted it as a policy shortcut alongside WP:SUBJECTIVE. Both link to the same bit of WP:NPOV . . I’m not sure if you intended the duplication? (or are you thinking that AESTHETIC may be more expressive / more likely to catch the reader’s attention productively?)

And - this baffles me! - both links actually render redirect-pages. The reader has to click through them to reach anything the reader is likely to recognise as an intended destination.

The two pages differ - and your link brings up the weirder by far of the two! It’s really earnestly telling me something; but I have no idea of what, or of why or when it might matter!

( I also have a suspicion I’m not putting this in the right location and style for a talk-page entry; but I’m vague on how to check and don’t want to get deflected! I wanted to send you an email: but I got a screen saying *my* (!) email address is not carved deeply enough in the relevant stone. Sorry for any infelicities: no offence intended! )

SquisherDa (talk) 11:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back - and for the pointer to the Shortcuts write-up. There’s some useful stuff in there!

In terms of the original problem, though - if it is a problem? - I’m still doubtful that the intended effect is to fill the user’s screen with a page s/he simply has to click through. It reminds me of links that lead to a DAB, which the reader has to click through without yet having seen anything the writer intended. So it still looks to me as if neither of those shortcuts in the NPOV article is working as intended? But maybe they are / maybe there’s something here I don’t understand (well, actually, yes, we can be pretty sure there is); and I’m certainly happy if you are.

SquisherDa (talk) 14:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what problem you're referring to. A shortcut allows links to pages and sections without having to type out the full page name. If the redirect is working properly, no clicking through is required. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 14:33, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

mmm . . have you tried it? (“If the redirect is working properly”: I think you might have put your finger on something there!)  :-) SquisherDa (talk) 14:47, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I still don't see what the problem is. Could you be more exact? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 15:43, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Bit pushed for time *right* now . . I’ll see if I can sort out something like a screen-print (well, a diff-kinda-thing) later  :-) SquisherDa (talk) 15:55, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Here’s what I’ve been getting: [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:SUBJECTIVE&redirect=no ]].

But I think the ‘problem’ is that the shortcuts box is meant to be a *list* of shortcut aliases applying to this location . . whereas I thought it was a kind-of on-the-spot ‘see-also’ arrangement. I was clicking on the listed shortcuts expecting to land *somewhere else* and learn new things! - and getting results no-one has really anticipated! (So yes, there was quite definitely owt I didn’t understand!!) SquisherDa (talk) 18:04, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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1RR 

With this edit, you violated 1rr. Please self revert.Icewhiz (talk) 06:44, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Apologies; I should have put "30/500 enforcement" or something like that in the edit summary. Reverts to enforce the 30/500 prohibition don't count toward 1RR, as pointed out here. See A/I/PIA. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

AE

Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Sangdeboeuf. Icewhiz (talk) 08:29, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

@Sangdeboeuf. I would advise you to self-revert this, no matter if and what you are going to say on WP:AE. My very best wishes (talk) 21:07, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

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FYI I probably won't be commenting any further in Talk:Feminazi until dispute resolution ends. See Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Feminazi. —Srid^🍁 16:49, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

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Order of bibliographies

I'm not aware, and I've looked, that there is any policy that says bibliographies should be alphabetical. When you think of what the reader needs, they're not going to be looking by author name. They won't know any of the authors (and the rare reader who does, won't be looking in our bibliographies).

When you put them chronologically, you're helping the reader see what is most recent, which is useful information. And on a highier level, which writings could have influenced subsequent writings, or had an influence at a particular time. There's an example of a chronological bibli9graphy, that got excellent reviews, at this link (I co-authored it.) Please reconsider. deisenbe (talk) 04:13, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Assuming that you're referring to this edit, I don't see how chronological order is an improvement. Controversy over the issue goes back to the 1970s; more recent sources are not necessarily more useful here. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:12, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 18#Christian

I have initiated a discussion specifically about the redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 18#Christian. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:06, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

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Your user name makes me think of @Bloodofox:. Because I am bilingual, I cannot help but associate the two of you. Maybe if you two could categorically state that you are not the same user, that would help my addled brain to get a grip around these pseudonyms that keep cropping up on my watchlist. (Deep respectful bows for the folklore, Bloodofox, incidentally...) — 🍣 SashiRolls ^{t · c} 00:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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Misunderstanding of Due Weight

See: "Where there is significant disagreement, good-faith discussion is encouraged, particularly with reference to any verifiable source which may present evidence as to the minority or majority status of a viewpoint. Where there is dispute, Wikipedia editors should not assume the prevalence of a particular viewpoint without providing evidence". It is not for you to dictate. You have to demonstrate good faith. [1] Mrspaceowl (talk) 14:09, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@Mrspaceowl: the burden is on you to obtain consensus for this addition. If you want to start a good-faith discussion on the article talk page, by all means do so. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 14:22, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

You want me to obtain consensus for allowing 2% of an article to contain another opinion. I'm not going to call you a Nazi right now, because Jews didn't get that chance. Mrspaceowl (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Great. I appreciate that. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 15:23, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

...for that series of edits to Gamergate. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 11:41, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Just trying to understand for myself what the whole thing is. "Torturously complex" doesn't begin to describe it. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 19:15, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

I want to give you my thanks as well. Normally I'd use the thanks tool but you've been prolific and the sum total is just great. Goodonye. --Jorm (talk) 22:34, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Out of interest, can I get a link for this one? I've never heard anyone associated with a mainstream, left-leaning site like Wikipedia suggest Gamergate is in any way complex. All the articles I've seen seemed to be very strongly representing a particular media narrative and nothing else. Have I just been looking at the wrong articles? Mrspaceowl (talk) 11:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Maybe try reading the article? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 13:34, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I asked you for assistance and you responded by personally attacking me with sarcasm. Mrspaceowl (talk) 14:10, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Sangdeboeuf made most of these changes. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 16:12, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Sarsour

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TPM

FWIW, I do not think Talking Points Memo is a blog any more — it clearly employs reporters and editors, does original reporting, has editorial standards, etc. I mean, it’s a silly source for international news (it runs wire stories) and removing it was fine, but I don’t think the reason you gave was accurate. —JBL (talk) 12:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Thoughts on Omar RFC close?

I was pretty surprised by the result here, and I'm not sure that it reflects the discussion. At the same time, I'm not sure if it would accomplish much to ask for a second opinion. Any thoughts? Nblund ^talk 19:47, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Looks like a bad close for sure. Numbers alone are on the "no" side, and most of the "yes" voters who cited policy didn't actually explain how their favored policy was relevant. I'd support a review request. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:49, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

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Geological fold

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Cleanup notice

The lead sentence of the article during this day when you've been edit-warring over the notice reads: Masculism or masculinism may variously refer to advocacy of the rights or needs of men and boys; and the adherence to or promotion of attributes (opinions, values, attitudes, habits) regarded as typical of men and boys. Split this line at the semi-colon, and you have a lead which describes two different topics:

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MOS shortcut

Is MOS: TITLEABSENTBOLD a typo or is there a good reason it is necessary when we have MOS:TITLEABSENTBOLD? Sam Sailor 11:48, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

The Android keyboard I use puts a space before words automatically, and sometimes I forget to correct it. So it's useful to me. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:55, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Just Stop

Honestly every five seconds you find a new thing to complain at me for. Can you please leave me alone? I just want to edit in peace without this. Mohammad (talk) 09:51, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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Feminazi

Hi. Yes, of course you're right about the IP vandalism; I spoke carelessly when I said "in the past month" — I guess I was thinking "in June". But the May vandalism still isn't what we usually call "recent". I may have to warn Perfect Mask later, though, going by their answer to my alert, and their talkpage post. Thanks for answering them. I hope they take it on board. Bishonen | talk 08:40, 21 June 2019 (UTC).

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@Rosguill: thanks for your message. Yes, the extra space is intentional, à la WP: V, WP: N, etc. I sometimes find my Android device inserting the extra space before a word. For shortcuts in edit summaries, there's no way to go back and fix it, so I have created a few new redirects to handle those instances. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:27, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Sarah_Jeong

I see thar you have weighed in on the Twitter issue in the past. IS JBL always this condescending and dismissive? Or am I experiencing the unwantedness of a super tight club that feels superior to others? Rsarlls (talk) 21:15, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

You are experiencing that you raised a stupid argument in an assholish way. --JBL (talk) 21:34, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry for the accidental rollback. WWGB (talk) 11:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for the message. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 11:09, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

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Riley Reid

Wanted to let you know that I reverted the last changes to the article because interviews are not completely disqualified from biographies. They should just be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism. Morbidthoughts (talk) 08:04, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, but Adult DVD Talk is a self-published source by one "Captain Jack", not a reliable independent source or Reid's own work. –Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:07, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

It's not self-published. Captain Jack works for ADT but his work is overseen by the publisher/owner or whatever. If you are arguing that ADT is just not reliable, then that's a different argument that I understand. I generally view statements in interviews under WP:INTERVIEW even though it is not official policy. Morbidthoughts (talk) 08:14, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I'm saying. ADT is a group blog and not reliable. See explanation at WP:PORN#Self-published. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:19, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for your contributions to Feminazi. It still isn't great, but it was rapidly becoming another dogs breakfast of a culture wars article. Cheers Bacondrum (talk) 21:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Redirects at WP:DAILYMAIL and WP:Dailymail

In this RfD:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 26#Wikipedia:DAILYMAIL

The consensus of the Wikipedia community was to redirect

Wikipedia:Dailymail and Wikipedia:Dailymail

to

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 220#Daily Mail RfC

In these edits[2][3] you changed the redirect to

Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources#Daily Mail

going against the consensus in the RfD. Please don't do that.

The many editors who have used this redirect (see the "what links here" page for each redirect) have pretty much all attempted to send readers at the Daily Mail RfC, not the perennial sources page (they tend to use WP:RSP when they want to send readers to that page) Many editors have written things like

"per WP:DAILYMAIL, we don't consider that a reliable source."

or

"Daily Mail is not a RS as per WP:DAILYMAIL"

-- clearly wishing the reader to go to the page where it was decided, not to an explanatory supplement.

Please abide by the decision of the community and refrain from changing the redirects at WP:DAILYMAIL and WP:Dailymail.

You are free to post a new RfD if you think the community made the wrong decision. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:15, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

My mistake; I didn't see that RfD until after I made the edits. Your comments on the issue make sense to me. Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:43, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Sangdeboeuf-public

Please confirm as to whether or not Sangdeboeuf-public was indeed created by you. I have hard blocked it in the meantime as you have made no edits to the account's userpage nor listed it on your userpage nor did you create it while logged in through Special:CreateAccount. If it is you, I will happily unblock. Also, if this was you, please understand that this is done in order to protect you from impersonation. No ill intent is intended. Best, TheSandDoctor ^Talk 04:08, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

@TheSandDoctor: Thanks for being vigilant. Yes, the account belongs to me, for editing while using a public computer. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:03, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome! I've unblocked the account and removed my notice, linking to your response as confirmation. Would you like (extended?) confirmed on the alt or are you wanting to get those "organically" with it? (I am honestly fine with granting or leaving, it's your call.) My one suggestion for the future would be to create any alt accounts whilst logged in so that it shows in the logs (and/or place the valid alt template with this account). Otherwise, the likelihood of them being blocked as impersonations (until cleared up) is high. If you need anything, just give a shout --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 08:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

@TheSandDoctor: Good advice; I didn't know one could create additional accounts while logged in. Since you mention it, extended-confirmed access on the second account would be very useful. Thanks again. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 09:05, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome! Glad I could be of assistance. Yes, you can create accounts any time by going to Special:CreateAccount while logged in. Also  Done. I also threw confirmed on there for 3 months. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 09:42, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

My apologies

Regarding religious views, I mistook the nominator and wasn't directed to you. I will edit my input. Sorry EricAhlqvistScott (talk) 19:53, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

No problem, thanks. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 03:24, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Re: “Why?”

You asked why. Because the title of an article is not a metalinguistic use of a term, so the use–mention distinction does not apply *to it* (and it’s not a foreign word either). The use of italics in the rest of the article are correct—it’s only italicized when warranted, and not in every instance. —Born2bgratis (talk) 07:31, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Because the title of an article is not a metalinguistic use of a term... Correct. It's not a use of the term in this case at all, but a mention of the term. The term itself is the subject of the article, whether or not it's always italicized in the text. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 13:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

You know what I meant by metalinguistic use (it is equivalent to mention). We don’t italicize the title of the article Donald Trump even though [t]he term itself is the subject of the article Born2bgratis (talk) 07:11, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect. The subject of that article is the person, not the name or the term. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 15:34, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I am not incorrect. I will let another volunteer edit-war with you, whatever. Born2bgratis (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

White Hispanic and Latino Americans

The celebrities described in the pictures all were of majority-European descent, and would be classified as "white" under the census or any other government/official agency. I don't understand why all the pictures were deleted; they were constructive examples of white Hispanics who correct a common misunderstanding amongst non-Hispanic whites that all Hispanics, regardless of race, have the same complexion. Blacklister3000 (talk) 02:01, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Great, provide a published source saying so and I'll restore the images myself. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:04, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Scratch that; the community consensus per WP:ETHNICGALLERY is to avoid this kind of collection of images. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 20:49, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you, but...

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French frigate Piemontaise

Hi Sangdeboeuf, Why did you remove the date from the title? 1) It was doing no harm. 2) The launch year date helps situate the vessel in time, not just disambiguate it. 3) If there is another French frigate Piemontaise somebody is eventually going to have to disambiguate it and reverse your change. 4) I can't see how removing correct information makes an encyclopedia better. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 12:58, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

@Acad Ronin: Then why not just call it French 40-gun Consolante-class frigate Piémontaise (1804)? Would it do any harm? Article titles should ideally be only as WP:PRECISE as needed to identify the topic, and no more than that. Only the name is really needed here; compare with Queen Elizabeth 2. If there is eventually another French frigate Piémontaise, somebody can disambiguate it then. I'd be happy to do it myself, in fact. The information hasn't been removed from the encyclopedia, because the article still gives the launch date. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 14:40, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Close

Hello. Please have another look at Don Quixote (Teno), which you've just relisted after many weeks of discussion. The bottom of the discussion shows a consensus formed for Don Quixote (Kennedy Center sculpture). Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:23, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

You may be right. I only saw that the RM was backlogged. Since discussion is ongoing, I'll wait to see if Another Believer or anyone else responds to your recent comment. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 19:36, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

April 2020

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Pilferage; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. – Uanfala (talk) 20:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for using a template message. If you believe the article should be reverted back to being a redirect to Theft, then fine. But if it's going to be a dab page, then the burden is on you to gain consensus for your changes. – Uanfala (talk) 20:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Take it to WP:AN3 if you like. I'm not sure you'll be able to convince the admins that your bold edit represents the consensus version. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 20:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for this message, there probably wasn't a need – it was simply born out of a momentary annoyance. I regret getting annoyed. But I guess you must be aware that people might get annoyed if you revert them again and again, and they can get even more annoyed if you go about doing it as if you're enforcing some fundamental policy. This is not a question of policy. It's not a question of guidelines. It's not about the manual of style versus something else, it's about your own application of the manual of style versus another editor's interpretation of the very same manual of style. I hope you see my point. – Uanfala (talk) 21:08, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

It's not clear how one would interpret "If the topic is not mentioned on the other article, that article should not be linked to in the disambiguation page" as meaning anything other than that the article should not be linked to in the disambiguation page. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello

You thanked me for an edit to simp. What's an thank mean in wikipedia? Like does it mean anything? New3400 (talk) 18:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Yep, it means "thank you" :) —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Turkmenistanis

You're doing manipulative edits. First you redirect Turkmenistani to Turkmenistan, then you put Turkmenistanis in bold in article Turkmenistan. What's this about? Beshogur (talk) 12:17, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, what's your objection exactly? As I explained in my edit summaries, Turkmenistani is the term used to refer to the country and its people, according to an independent, published source, namely The World Factbook. It's in bold because that's what MOS:BOLDREDIRECT suggests. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:24, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

And? You should redirect it to Turkmens not Turkmenistan. That's not how Wikpedia works. Are you going to do the same with all other countries? Beshogur (talk) 12:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

And how does Wikipedia work, please? Turkmens states, Big communities have traditionally lived in neighboring Iran, Afghanistan and sizeable groups of Turkmens are found also in Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and the North Caucasus (Stavropol Krai). Those are Turkmens, not Turkmenistanis. The latter are citizens of Turkmenistan, and may be Turkmens or some other ethnicity. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Turkmenistan

I've answered on my talkpage, but I will also leave the answer here. I removed that part because there is only some article with a name, but not a single document was provided. Going by this article, the name "Republic of Turkmenistan" existed after independence in 1991 and according to the UN, starting from 1992 it was already just Turkmenistan. If you think we should go into this much details about it, I will correct that part accordingly, but I also remind you that we don't have a document that would prove the name from 1991 to 1992, and such a document would be a declaration of independence which was adopted AFTER the referendum. I was able to find only the 1990 declaration - https://www.gorby.ru/userfiles/turkmenistan.pdf but it still uses the old Soviet name and was adopted before the referendum. Faust-RSI (talk) 19:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Greetings

I don't use multiple accounts. Occasionally I forget to sign in and edit with IPs. Which is the edition you suspect? --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 10:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Reverse Racism

Are you responsible for getting my remarks on reverse racism removed? If so, please explain why.

I said absolutely nothing unreasonable, and I imagine my remarks were removed because you personally didn't "like" them because they didn't agree with your stance on the subject. This is not the way Wikipedia's talk pages are supposed to work, nor are they your personal "province" to police as you see fit.

I strongly object to the assertion that my remarks were "vandalism". They were valid, and I would be grateful if you world restore them as soon as possible. 86.14.40.196 (talk) 11:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Your comment was a personal attack and contained no discussion of article improvements. For more information, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:33, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Take a look at my talk page.

Really weird. Fortunately I no longer live in Florida, can't stand the sun and humidity. Doug Weller talk 18:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I feel the same way ;) —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:32, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Internalized Sexism

You are reverting edits to a clearly sexist and transphobic version of the article. Please accept my corrections to make the article accurately gender neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.187.119.233 (talk) 16:32, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:No original research. Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Request for help

Hi,

I came across your proactive contribution to Internalized sexism. Recently I have initiated a new article @ Draft:Sexual politics and I am looking for some proactive support in updating and expansion of the article. Please do help in update and expansion if topic Draft:Sexual politics would interest you.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 09:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Anita Sarkeesian

Please get your Wiki etiquette into balance. Reverting edits and saying "I don't like it is not a reason" is completely out of order when I stated reasons which you did not address. Colin Campbell remains irrelevant but I suppose you added his piece to "For further reading" just because. Polygon itself has been fraught with problematic issues even after Vox Media took over. Polygon recently got rid of Campbell. Sarkeesian was not that important in the grand scale of things. And I am sorry, I can't provide a reliable source for that. It's just common knowledge. She was popular among a certain set of people with a particular mindset and she was wildly unpopular with other people. But she didn't change the world, not even the gaming world. Cheers, --SVTCobra 03:08, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Greetings. The other reasons you gave were "this was due to greater societal changes", which you didn't substantiate in any way, and that the material was "in the wrong part [of] the article".[4] Well, if that were true, you could have moved it to a better part of the article. But the comment about "hero worshipping" is what gave the game away. Whether you or I have a positive opinion about Sarkeesian's work is irrelevant. As for Campbell's departure from Vox Media, his was apparently one of many layoffs due to the effects of COVID-19.[5] Any issues with the source itself can be raised at WP:RS/N. Cheers! —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:39, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

This is also a problem at Toxic masculinity, which is subject to Gamergate sanctions and where Sangdeboeuf and another user appear to have been edit warring in May and July (see article history). My first edit to this page was followed by a confrontational post on my talk page and a prompt reversion.[6] Please consider that other editors may have valuable perspectives, too. Repeatedly and immediately reverting multiple other editors should be reserved for blatant policy violations, not highly subjective disagreements about nuances over policy. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 17:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)