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Search results not fully working

So recently I noticed how weird it was that it was spelled "Parliament" and not "parliment" so went ahead a decided to do a search and fix pages that ussed the misspelling. The last result however (Luke Akehurst) doesn't have any uses of the misspelling, and the text around the mispelling that appears in the search also doesn't exist. I checked in the references, the source text (as I am using visual editor), but still nothing. I even checked to see if it was edited recently and the search results just a lagging behind a bit. I still found nothing. Sorry if that's a little confusing, I don't have a great idea of how to explain this. Heres a link to the search: Link Gaismagorm (talk) 13:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Gaismagorm. If you look at that list of search results, you'll see that the entry for Luke Ashurst has a timestamp of "2024-05-29T21:49:30". There's something odd going on, because the earliest version in the article's history was later than that, but the edit summary on that version is "JamesVilla44 moved page Luke Akehurst to Draft:Luke Akehurst: Move to draftspace (WP:DRAFTIFY): Not notable enough and page not ready enough to be in main space yet", so a version already existed, though I can't find its history.

So I'm guessing that that text was in a version from earlier on 29th May, and the search database (or that part of it) has not been updated. ColinFine (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

ah okay Gaismagorm (talk) 17:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gaismagorm: You did find a search error. Two versions of the article are indexed by our search. A 29 May version currently at [1], and the current 10 July version [2]. The search intitle:"Luke Akehurst" reports both versions with their timestamps. That's not supposed to happen. To make matters worse, there is a third search hit claiming that Luke Akehurst is a redirect to 2021 Oxford City Council election. The time stamp is for the target article so it doesn't reveal which version was indexed to report the redirect but there is a redirect version 29 May [3]. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

well thats weird, is this a common issue? Gaismagorm (talk) 21:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gaismagorm: I haven't seen it before. It's common that an old revision is indexed for a while instead of the current but the double/triple indexing is new to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

ah okay. Well, luckily the bug doesn't effect much. Gaismagorm (talk) 13:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Edit filter log can allow non-admins/oversighters to see deleted/suppressed revisions

Sometimes, when a revision is deleted or suppressed, the revision can still be viewed via the edit filter log. Can you please fix it? 24.115.255.37 (talk) 03:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, this seems like a MediaWiki issue. Have a look at Wikipedia:Bug reports and feature requests for details on how to report a bug. Broc (talk) 09:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

ok 24.115.255.37 (talk) 12:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't have an account... 24.115.255.37 (talk) 19:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I feel like this is a known issue and oversighters should be supressing the logs as well. If you see any such thing, please report it via WP:RFO. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I want to create an article

But I am new. Do I need to pay an experienced user so I'm sure it gets accepted? Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Answer! Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is open to all who can contribute. See Help:Your first article. 『π』BalaM314〘talk〙 10:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@BalaM314 Ok, thanks Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are volunteers. All questions get answered in time. Demanding a fast answer is rude. As to your question, there are companies that offer to create an article for pay - almost all of those are scams. meaning you would lose your money and not get an article. David notMD (talk) 10:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD Ok, sorry if I requested a quick answer. Anyway thanks, I wont pay those Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@BalaM314 @David notMD I submitted a draft. How much time does it take to get it reviewed??? Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is run by volunteers, it might take a while. Make sure your article follows the policies mentioned in Help:Your first article. 『π』BalaM314〘talk〙 10:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@BalaM314 Why don't you review my draft? Or at least could you tell me if you think it is Ok? Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Anyway I coudnt get bothered reading all that rubbish, but there's nothing offensive or fake, which is what can be I think vandalism Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Paolo Maldini exists as a Wikipedia article. It already states that he is considered the greatest defender of all time. Do not attempt to create an article about him. I am about to tag your draft for Speedy deletion. Also, your User name should not contain the name of a person for which an article exists, or a person you are trying to create an article about. Abandon this account. Start a new account- with a short User name. David notMD (talk) 10:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I have speedily reviewed your draft for you. Theroadislong (talk) 10:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD Ok, I understand. I'll abandon this account and create a new one. Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Given that it has been Rejected by a Reviewer, I am not going to bother with the Speedy deletion nomination. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD Thanks for your help just to let you know this is my new account. By the way an unknown user left me an inappropriate message. Could you review my talk page?? Random username 1234567890 (talk) 10:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

For info: the "inappropriate message" was an entirely appropriate and polite warning by an experienced editor, and the above account has now been blocked as a sockpuppet. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 12:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Initital account and replacement account indef blocked (socks). David notMD (talk) 21:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:CITESPAM?

Hi folks. The editor of a website about football, ML072347 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), has been adding dozens of citations to articles from their website. Many of these additions were superfluous. They have responded to my inquiry on their Talk page. What would be the appropriate response to their questions? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 12:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Robby.is.on the source they added seems reliable, but I do see the spamming issue. The user needs to disclose their COI, and stop adding references where they are not needed (e.g.: in the lead section, per MOS:CITELEAD). They should contribute to improving the encyclopedia, for instance by helping remove some {{citation needed}} tags, rather than by adding references just to increase their search engine results.

If the issue continues, WP:COIN is the right noticeboard. Broc (talk) 12:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 21:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

How to merge two pages

I wanted to know how can I merge two sports pages into 1? Would I need to delete the second page after moving the information to 1 page? Mcwamcwa (talk) 12:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Mcwamcwa, see step-by-step instructions at WP:PROMERGE. Generally, you would copy material from one page into the other, then replace the original page with a redirect. Make sure to provide proper attribution in the edit summary and to signal the merge in both talk pages. Broc (talk) 12:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I've just merged content from Mamelodi Sundowns Ladies B to Mamelodi Sundowns Ladies Academy. Mcwamcwa (talk) 22:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Copying text from draft to new page and then blanking drafts ?

I am not sure of the best path forward here, but @SuperMightyBoy is copying text from draft articles into new articles, and then blanking the drafts or setting up a redirect to the new article. This has the result of losing the article history, which is a shame. This does not seem the right path, but I am unsure of the best way to handle this. Any thoughts or guidance is appreciated. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@DaffodilOcean warn the user about Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia and point them to Wikipedia:Moving a page.

You can check out Wikipedia:History merging to see how to request a history merge on the affected pages. Broc (talk) 12:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Example: Special:Diff/1233506751. Broc (talk) 12:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks - I will do that next. I appreciate the guidance. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

SuperMightyBoy indef blocked. Blanked drafts appear to have been restored. David notMD (talk) 21:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

A query on wiki policy

I'd like to know whether it is appropriate according to Wikipedia's policy to re-add information/text which is validly cited, which has been removed from an article coz it was previously inserted by a blocked user...Thanks in advance Janlevinson (talk) 13:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Janlevinson, yes, that is permitted. But you are required to verify that the content complies with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and that the references verify the content. In other words, you take full responsibility for your edits. Cullen328 (talk) 19:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

thanks Janlevinson (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Grammar on a direct quote

A retrospective in the Bronxville Press, August 1932: "[H]is presence was always felt by topnotchers [and regulars]. ... Paul Martin was a synonym for all that was clean and wholesome in the game.”  

The above summary-type sentences are at the end of the "Life" heading in “Paul Martin (illustrator)." Is the spot for the period and ellipse mark correct? The quote from the original source is below. I thought it read, in part, somewhat awkward and wordy.

"… events and his presence was always felt by topnotchers as well as by those who could only play an average game. Paul Martin was a synonym for all that was clean and wholesome in the game.”

Thanks for any feedback. JimPercy (talk) 16:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC) PS. I erred. I meant to post this in the "Help Desk" room. I don't know if it matters. JP

JimPercy I think the ellipsis is unnecessary, since the brackets [and regulars] already 'cover' the missing words, though from an article level standpoint you may want to find a way to avoid quoting in the first place.

Teahouse and Help Desk serve the same purpose, but Teahouse is directed toward newer Wikipedians. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Sungodtemple IOWs, the "[and regulars]" is replacing "as well as by those who only could play an average game." So the ellipse mark could be deleted (esp. since a link to the source is given). That quote does help explain way a tennis tournament was named after him for over 80 years. JimPercy (talk) 23:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

article by Max Fishman

Please help me. I'm an old man and I don't understand a lot. What should I do? In the article by Max Fishman - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Fishman the following inscriptions appeared: Personality "This section contains too many quotes. Please help summarize the quotes. Consider transferring direct quotations to Wikiquote or excerpts to Wikisource. (July 2024)" I read it and didn’t understand anything. I shortened the links. But transferring direct quotations to Wikiquote or excerpts to Wikisource, but I can’t. Please help me transfer them to Wikiquote or Wikisource Anatolii Ion Levikoan (talk) 17:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Levikoan, and welcome to Wikipedia! The tag refers to this Wikipedia policy: Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources. As I see most quotes on the page are reviews and critical pieces, I suggest shortening them to 1-3 sentences each. Once you've done that, you can remove the tag. Broc (talk) 21:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Broc, Thank you very much for the advice. Levikoan (talk) 06:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Levikoan! Maybe what will help is going through each quote and deciding what the most important part (or perhaps two parts) is for each. So with this one:

"…Thus, not previously mentioned in any source and until recently not included in the orbit of the study of domestic musicology, M. Fishman's Concert Es-dur has not only artistic, but also historical value, as it is able to complement the picture of the origin of the genre in Moldavian music. Moreover, according to Pavel Borisovich Rivilis, who worked in those years as a senior consultant in the Union of Composers of the MSSR, this work is one of the best examples of a piano concerto of the post-war era..."

If I were assessing it, I would say that the important parts are 1) it has been called one of the best examples of a piano concerto of the post-war era, and possibly 2) it complements the picture of the original of the genre in Moldavian music. So perhaps it could be trimmed down:

"Fishman's Concert Es-dur has not only artistic, but also historical value...[it] complement[s] the picture of the origin of the genre in Moldavian music."

And then, with proper attribution to Rivilis, as this is his quote:

"[T]his work is one of the best examples of a piano concerto of the post-war era."

I'm not sure these belong in the Personality section, but they're certainly valuable information from experts in the field. If you'd like, I'd be happy to work on this with you - I'm going to go set up a topic on the Talk page now and ping you over there so any other interested editors can join us and add their views on the important points. StartGrammarTime (talk) 06:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Dear StartGrammarTime. I am very glad that you want to help. How will we do this? I'm old and don't understand much about how Wikipedia works. Levikoan (talk) 06:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Levikoan! I see you've found my comment on the Talk page. We'll talk more there. I'll leave a reply there for you in a couple of hours. Don't worry about not understanding Wikipedia - we'll walk through it together. StartGrammarTime (talk) 02:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm waiting. Levikoan (talk) 05:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Submitted Article but was not finished

I was ignorant and submitted my article before it was finished. How can I continue to edit my article? Thebigsixth (talk) 19:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Assuming we're talking about Draft:Richard Adams Hogan, you are perfectly free to edit it while it is awaiting review, but since you've said it is not ready I've undone your edit that submitted it. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure how to edit the article, it only gives me a series of codes. Thebigsixth (talk) 19:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Have you tried following the instructions under "Enable VisualEditor" at WP:VE? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

The stuff at the top is code related to it being in the articles for creation workflow, everything beyond the words Richard Adams Hogan (June 07, 1913 - January 28, 1981) that is the text you submitted. When editing, you see the complete code of all references and internal links will have double square brackets around them, [[like this]]. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I was able to edit my article, but now I clicked on the wrong icon and lost my updated work.

How can I save my article? Thebigsixth (talk) 20:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thebigsixth if you did not press 'Publish changes' then you did not save your work to Wikipedia and it cannot be retrieved from the server. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Where can I find newcomer tasks?

I noticed that the Newcomer Tasks would be quite useful for me to be more productive and involved with Wikipedia, but I can't find how to access the modules or anything. Am I missing something, or has it been removed since? LucasR muteacc (talk) 21:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

LucasR muteacc I think you may have the feature turned off. You can enable newcomer homepage at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal, then navigate to Special:Homepage. Does that work? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much - I have the homepage now! It was turned off, yes. LucasR muteacc (talk) 22:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Drama and Wikipedia

Okay, so let's say this user named "Sir Ben" was involved in a heated controversy on Fandom. Being an active Wikipedian, he linked his Wikipedia user page on his Fandom user page, proving that he is the same person. Would he get blocked (or possibly banned) on Wikipedia for his behavior on another website? Thanks, TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 22:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

In anything but exceptional cases, we wouldn't block for off-wiki controversy. Also, Sir Ben's link on his Fandom page would not prove that the Wikipedia user is the same person. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

vector 2010 reference tooltip

Mere duplicate of a question posed at the Help desk. -- Hoary (talk) 00:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Recently I've found the reference tooltip in large text, and don't know how to change it to small Jag1762010 (talk) 23:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Standardizing disambiguation parentheticals

Boosting a question from elsewhere - using the example of Property (programming) and Method (computer programming), is there any reference standard for disambiguation parentheticals (i.e, a choice between (programming) vs. (computer programming))? Or are these decided at the WikiProject level? Tule-hog (talk) 23:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Tule-hog I believe that its' really just up to whoever moves the page. Obviously there are exceptions to this, but for the most part (i.e. the addition of "computer" to "programming") is optional. Also, if you're not sure, sometimes it is best to contact the appropriate WikiProject, as some do have specific rules about what goes inside of those parentheses. Hope this helps :) Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 03:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Simple question regarding preferred language.

Hello, this is a general basic question, but on the language section of articles how do I sticky a specific one so that I don't have to scroll through it? This works on mobile but I don't know how to work it on PC. Libertas 777 (talk) 03:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry but I don't understand your question. Do you mean like Austria#Language? If not please provide a specific example of what you are trying to do. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Libertas 777, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm guessing that you are referring to the "Suggested languages" that appear at the top of the window when you pick the "(number) languages" box at the top of the article?

There does not seem to be a way to edit the list of suggested languges directly, but mw:Universal Language Selector/Compact Language Links seems to say that if you pick a language to look at an article in, it will automatically add that language to the list of suggested languages.

If you mean something else, then I'm afraid I haven't understood what you want. ColinFine (talk) 10:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

No wrap

Hello all. An editor using a bot recently converted some no-wrap templates into normal text. I had implemented the templates so that the names "Obi-Wan" and "Qui-Gon" would not wrap onto a second line. Here is the edit. Could someone please tell me whether removing the templates is appropriate, and what the purpose might be? Wafflewombat (talk) 05:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat you can use {{nbh}} to insert a non-breaking hyphen. However, please judge if it is really necessary, as it affects search results. I suggest reading Wikipedia:Non-breaking hyphen and MOS:HYPHEN as guidelines. Broc (talk) 05:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Commons files from LLNL

I'd ask this somewhere on Wikimedia commons, but I don't know if they have discussion spaces, and I imagine they're not super active. Feel free to point me there if this is the wrong place. There are a bunch of files on Wikimedia Commons that are listed as government works that are from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory website, which is a government contractor, and I think does not automatically release its images into the public domain. I found this CC-BY-NC-SA notice, which I think means the photos aren't in the public domain. I tagged those (this and this one). The problem is, this geese image and this lab image got posted on the US DOE flickr account (which apparently exists) as "United states government works", which I infer are free from copyright (the lab image at least must be taken by an LLNL employee since it's in the lab). Does anyone know if I'm just wrong on how government contractor copyright works? Also, does that count as the DOE releasing the images? Mrfoogles (talk) 05:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Mrfoogles, I think you should ask directly on Commons, discussion forums there are quite active. I think the best place for this question is c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Broc (talk) 05:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll go there. Didn't know commons had a village pump too. Mrfoogles (talk) 05:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Requesting to ip block exemption

Dear Wikipedians,

I am reaching out to request an IP block exemption. I am a user from Areekode, Kerala, and I am currently traveling. Unfortunately, my IP address showing blocked for the past 8-10 days, Blocking my ability to access and contribute to Wikipedia.

I kindly request that you consider granting me an IP block exemption, as I am a legitimate user who wishes to continue using Wikipedia without interruption. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

S-Aura 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 06:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, S-Aura. Please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:IP block exemption. Cullen328 (talk) 06:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! @Cullen328! I just wanted to let you know that I've added a request on my Talk page. I'm hoping someone can review it and help me out. I'd really appreciate it if someone could take a look at my request and see what they can do to help me get back to using Wikipedia without any issues. Thanks so much! 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 06:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Work as an editor

Hi I want to work as an editor and write to article Gayatri Sunkad (talk) 08:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Gayatri Sunkad Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for wanting to help us out here and contribute to this project. Note that writing a new article isn't the only, or even best, way one can contribute here. Many people are excellent contributors without writing a single article from scratch- which is actually a very difficult process that ideally should have some knowledge and experience behind it first. We have almost 7 million articles that could use improvement, perhaps there are some in areas that interest you that you would want to work on.

I'm going to place some introductory information on your user talk page (User talk:Gayatri Sunkad) that may help you. 331dot (talk) 08:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Please also note, @Gayatri Sunkad, we are volunteer editors who are not paid for editing Wikipedia. If you are financially compensated in any way for editing Wikipedia, it is mandatory you disclose this by following the instructions here. Qcne (talk) 09:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

metawiki RFC

Hi, I want to RFC in metawiki:Requests_for_comment/Policy because of I had serious problems with Turkish Wikipedia which resulted in block. However I need to have 250 edits, do I have to wait until I reach 250 edits? Or can I ask and RFC in here? Throat0390 (talk) 11:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Throat0390 it seems you were banned on tr.wiki for sockpuppeting, i.e., using multiple accounts. I think your best approach would be to appeal the block on-wiki, by reaching out to the administrators. Check out how to appeal blocks on tr.wiki.

To answer your questions: in order to open an RFC on meta, your account must be 3 months old and you need to have 250 crosswiki edits. Broc (talk) 11:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes correct however i cannot edit my own talk page and the issue much bigger than the ban which ended up by I can't assume good faith anymore.

Thanks for your time/answer. Throat0390 (talk) 12:22, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Avezzano Rugby

Is it possible to improve the page with the translation from Italian Wikipedia? This is the draft in English. You can report in the right project, sorry for my inadequacy in English, thanks for your attention. Marica Massaro (talk) 11:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, for now we do not seem to have a page on the topic on the English Wikipedia. You can follow the hints given at Wikipedia:TRANSLATETOHERE, but keep in mind that we have different requirements for articles than the Italian Wikipedia might have. Lectonar (talk) 12:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Marica Massaro (talk) 13:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

You can of course continue to work on Draft:Avezzano Rugby in the meantime. Lectonar (talk) 13:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Test page

I worked on a test page yesterday, now I cannot see that anymore. Where can I find it? AgroLover (talk) 12:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@AgroLover Unless you made the edits to this test page while not logged in, I'm fairly certain that you forgot to publish your changes, meaning they're now unfortunately lost. What I'd expect to see in your contributions is another page where you made these test edits. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:54, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi...are you sure you used your account to make said test-page? I can find no contributions, deleted or otherwise, apart from your request here. Another possibility is that you did not save your edits. Lectonar (talk) 12:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@AgroLover you have created a test page on ptwiki. Is that what you're looking for? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Tks God you found it. How can I log in to see and continue to work on that? AgroLover (talk) 12:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure why you created that in the Portugese Wikipedia (considering it's in English), but to continue working on it, just click the 'edit' link on the top right corner of the page. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, AgroLover. As well as the point that it's in English, so you should be working in the English Wikipedia (for example at Draft:Jack E. Rechcigl - which doesn't exist at present which is why it appears in red, but you may create it), I note that you appear to be trying to create a new article, but like most people who try this task before they have spent any time learning the necessary skills, you have written your draft WP:BACKWARDS, and thus made a difficult task many times more difficult. I also notice you have what look like Wikimedia citations within the text, but they do not correspond to actual citations - have you copied this text from somewhere? If so, there may be copyright issues.

My advice to new editors, always, is to put aside the idea of creating an article entirely for at least a few weeks, and spend the time instead in making improvements to existing articles, and learning about how Wikipedia works: especially, verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability. Then after that, read your first article carefully, and try creating a new article if you wish. ColinFine (talk) 13:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your advice. I will try to create it in the English Wikipedia. In this case should I start again there? Is there a way I can just change all of it in an easy way or should I start from scratch?

I am using my word copy where I had all the citations organized. But now I will have to insert them again. Thanks AgroLover (talk) 14:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Serious question

Can the Wikimedia Foundation provide our (i.e., Wikipedia editors') data such as location, email, etc., to the government under any circumstances? Best Regards! Youknow? (talk) 12:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman only when required by law, see the Wikimedia Foundation policy for disclosing nonpublic information here. Broc (talk) 13:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay . Ms Rolanda (talk) 15:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Broc, thank you. Youknow? (talk) 15:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

(Untitled)

How do I get unblocked on wiki for editing an article? Ms Rolanda (talk) 12:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ms Rolanda you've made this post, which means that you're not blocked. Is there anything preventing you from editing? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ms Rolanda, you can already edit articles! Some pages might be protected and require you to have autoconfirmed or extended confirmed access. For the first, you need 10 edits and an account 4 days old (this is also the requirement to create new articles); for the second, you need 500 edits and 30 days. Note that the extended confirmed protection is only applied in very special cases (e.g. pages that are vandalized often or deal with contentious topics), so you won't need that to edit most articles. If you want to learn how to contribute, read Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. Hope this helps! Broc (talk) 13:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Alright then. Thank you very much for the clarification Ms Rolanda (talk) 15:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia form

Hello there! Every time I open my laptop to use Wikipedia it turns on the mobile version and not the desktop one. No matter how many times I've put it on Desktop mode at the end of the page it keeps turning on mobile. What can I do to fix that? xx feni (tellmehi) 14:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

The only thing I can think of is if you are using URLs with the .m. in them.

Does this happen when you pick a link in an open article? Or only when you start up Wikipedia? ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine it happens every time I load the Wikipedia main page and it doesn't change until I change it manually through a button at the end of the page, which is only temporary. I'm wondering if there is something on the Settings that I can do to change it feni (tellmehi) 15:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, feni. What is the URL (in the URL bar of your browser) when you open Wikipedia?

How are you loading it? If from a bookmark on your computer, I suggest editing the bookmark to remove the .m. from the URL. ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine thanks so much, I'll check it later and if I see that there is still a problem I'll be back. Thanks a lot xx feni (tellmehi) 17:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@FENFEN: To clarify further, going to https://en.m.wikipedia.org with .m. is a request to always display the mobile version no matter which device you are on and what you have selected in the past. https://en.wikipedia.org is the normal url which may detect your type of device or remember a previous selection. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thanks so much! I checked it and it turns out the bookmark was saved with the .m. form. Now it's all fixed!!!! xx feni (tellmehi) 14:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Block on It wiki

We have been blocked on itwiki for inappropriate username. Can we contribute here regardless of the block? Thanks Testimoni di Geova (talk) 13:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Better not with the username you have, as it implies shared use. See WP:ISU. But a block on IT-Wikipedia doesn't extend automatically to our Wikipedia here. Lectonar (talk) 14:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

New article

I would like to create a new article on Wikipedia. Can someone help me doing it? A user of english wiki (talk) 14:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I see that A user of english wiki has now been blocked indefinitely. Maproom (talk) 14:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Honorary consulates

Hello. Just now, User:Archives908 claims that I am engaging in an edit war in List of diplomatic missions in Armenia claiming that there is no policy forbidding the listing of honorary consulates in Wikipedia articles like that. The main reason why I removed them in the first place is because the honorary consulate lists in List of diplomatic missions in Iceland, List of diplomatic missions in Ireland and List of diplomatic missions in Vietnam got removed as they usually get omitted. I've asked those who have done those edits if there is an existing policy regarding the matter but the user above immediately bashed at me for not adhering to WP:BRD guidelines. What should I do to fix myself? Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I have not been "mean" to you. You keep reinstating your preferred version of the article. I've asked you to discuss and seek consensus on the talk page several times, all of which has been ignored. Perhaps try engaging in conversation on the talk page next time :) Archives908 (talk) 14:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

It's my anger issues. The reason why I called you "mean" is because you interrupted me in the Aquintero guy's talk page since I wasn't talking to you. I'm waiting for answers from Aquintero and Carl to see why they removed them in the first place (I should've not mentioned you or else I would have a breakdown of emotions). I'm sincerely sorry for referring you as "mean". 😭 Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Archives908 I will just point out you have violated the 3 revert rule, which constitutes edit warring. Both of you should be discussing the topic in talk page. Broc (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Done. I have added a new topic on the talk page regarding the matter. Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

How do I add a certification edit for Wikipedia?

Like if I want to say that this album sold 3 million copies and I want to edit it and also add that streaming and sales symbol at the end Blooey (talk) 15:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Blooey: I'm not clear on your question. If you are asking how to add a citation, check out WP:REFB RudolfRed (talk) 15:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Blooey: Please link the page you want to edit and a page which already shows what you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Restaurant images

Can I use the third image in this source for this article? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 15:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula: Very likely not. Any non-free image use needs to meet all the criteria at WP:NFCC. This would fail at #1: Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. RudolfRed (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

But is it non-free? Wikipedia:Freedom of panorama. Not sure if the photo has its own creative element, which would make it a work of its own and thus copyrighted, or if it could be used on Wiki per FoP. Seems like a tricky copyright case. Broc (talk) 16:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

That page says that they accept images of buildings and structures taken anywhere in the world and the person uploading it must use the {{FoP-USonly}} template. The building is not a sculpture, mural, or statue, so I think I should be fine. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 16:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula my concern is that the picture has been taken by someone else (not you) and if they added their own creative element, it would be copyrighted as their own work. I think in this case the Wikipedia:Threshold of originality might not be reached, as the picture seems rather "straightforward", but I'm not sure. You should probably ask at WP:MCQ. Broc (talk) 16:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

TrademarkedTWOrantula, the answer is definitely no. The copyright to that photo belongs to the photographer or their employer. It does not belong to you. You are perfectly free to go to the Embarcadero in San Francisco, take a photo of that restaurant, freely license it, and add it to Angler (restaurant). But you are not free to violate someone else's copyright. Cullen328 (talk) 17:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Freedom of panorama gives anyone the right to take a photograph a building that has a copyrighted architectural design. It does not give anyone the right to use someone else's copyrighted photo of the same building. Of course, creative decisions are made when photographing buildings. What angle? How far away? Which lens to use, or which zoom setting? Lighting conditions: sunny or cloudy? Morning, noon or evening? People present or absent? Ground level or from a ladder? How to deal with trees and vehicles? These are all creative decisions. Contemporary photos of buildings are copyright protected the vast majority of the time. Cullen328 (talk) 17:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Shoot. I just uploaded it. How do I delete it? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 17:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

TrademarkedTWOrantula, I am an administrator and I deleted that image. In your upload, you wrote A free illustration cannot be made, as it will infringe upon the original image. I am sorry, but that makes no sense. Well-known buildings get photographed all the time, and a new photo does not infringe on earlier photos of the same building. If you want a photo of that restaurant, go to San Francisco and take it. Or ask an editor in or near San Francisco to take one. Cullen328 (talk) 17:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

article submission

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AWroliver%2Fsandbox&action=edit Hello, I just submitted the first 2 paragraphs of an article on dancer/choreographer LaTasha Barnes. It is in my sandbox, at the link above. Would someone be able to take a look and tell me if the references are ok, and if it's formatted properly? Thank you. Wroliver (talk) 18:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC) Wendy Oliver, July 10, 2024

Hi Wroliver - I'm sorry, but copy-pasting some of the text from Draft:LaTasha Barnes is not productive, furthermore your references are not formatted correctly, whereas the drafts references are formatted correctly. I suggest you read Help:Referencing for beginners and then try to improve Draft:LaTasha Barnes, abandoning your sandbox. - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 18:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello Arjayay,

Thanks for your quick reply! I will read the link you suggested. I could not find my original draft of the article, which is why I ended up with a new sandbox today. I see you've given me a link to the draft, so thank you for that and your advice.Wroliver (talk) 18:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Can someone else start a wikipedia page about a nonaffiliated nonprofit?

Hello! I have a client that is has had their Wikipedia page filled with false negative information that was pulled and "cited" from opinion articles by a disgruntled prior employee. When attempts were made to correct the information, changes were denied due to bias. They are now considering deleting their Wikipedia page. If they do this, could someone (like this disgruntled past employee) create another page in its place?

Thank you for any help or advice.107.218.250.141 (talk) 19:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how they think they can delete the article (which is not theirs to delete). The place to propose improvements to any article is its associated talk page. What is the title of the article? The fact that they are a non-profit is totally irrelevant. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

The subject of a Wikipedia 'page' does not have the power to delete it: in fact, they are permitted less influence over it than almost anyone else – it is Wikipedia's Article about them, not their self-controlled representation on Wikipedia. It should reflect a balanced Neutral Point of View, which may include facts that the subject does not like if they are well supported by published material. If the subject is what Wikipedia judges to be Notable (roughly speaking, well documented in published media) then there can and probably will be an article created (or maintained in existence) about that subject.

The subject can post new sections on the Talk page of the Article, requesting changes (additions, amendments and deletions) to it which, if they provide Reliable sources published entirely independently of themself to corroborate it, may be implemented by a disinterested editor if that editor considers them appropriate. They are allowed to make minor, uncontroversial edits to correct obvious and trivial factual mistakes, and to remove material that is not cited to a source – if it is cited, they should ask another editor to consider doing so, using an Edit request template. What applies to the subject also applies to anyone directly associated with the subject, whether family, friend or employee.

Please note that, as the subject is your client (implying a paid relationship), you must (by Wikipedia's Terms of Use) declare your WP:PAID status on your User page (if and when you have one) and on the talk page of the article should you edit it. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.82.201 (talk) 20:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

This is more to Shantavira than to the OP. I think there are still a few people in the world who are not intimately familiar with Wikipedia and how it works. If a person who has not paid a lot of attention to Wikipedia suddenly finds that there's an article either about him or herself, or about something he or she is directly concerned with, AND it seems that someone has put malicious material, it's natural to wonder how one can get rid of it. And yes, "How do I delete my Wikipedia page?" is not an outrageously unreasonable question to ask. Uporządnicki (talk) 20:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

The first step would be to identify the subject article. If the slant of the article truly is non-neutral and there are not enough watchers of the article talk page to get it fixed, there is a noticeboard at WP:NPOVN dedicated to reviewing and correcting neutrality issues. VQuakr (talk) 21:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Featuring one of the most accessible AI search engines in the article on Wiki

I'd like to submit an AI search engine in the List of Search Engines.

Bagoodex – (verbatim copy of the press release from below source removed)

Source: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ai-search-tool-bagoodex-reboots-140000298.html Nick Trenkler (talk) 20:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Nick Trenkler, are you aware that Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion? Broc (talk) 21:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Another way of looking at that is to note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

When there is substantial independent published material about the engine, then it might be possible for an article about it to be written. Note that such an article will not belong to Bagoodex, will not be controlled by Bagoodex, and may be edited by almost anybody in the world except people associated with Bagoodex.

Note also that if you are in any way employed by or on behalf of Bagoodex then Wikipedia regards you as a paid editor, and you must make a formal declaration of that fact. ColinFine (talk) 21:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Admin

How do I submit an RfA? Frozen902 (talk) 21:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Frozen902, you have only 55 edits over a period of four years. In practice, administrators must be highly experienced and fully conversant with Wikipedia's policies and guideline, and are expected to have significant creation of high quality new content. Thousands of good edits are expected. Your chance of being selected as an administrator at this time is essentially zero. Please read WP:RFA. Cullen328 (talk) 21:22, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you perhaps mean AfC? Your draft Draft:Andrey Kulsha has been declined for reasons given. David notMD (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Rejected draft improvements

Hello, Recently I've created my first wiki page which got declined first about 22 days ago and since then I've implemented some recommended changes. I would value a lot if you could please have a look into it and let me know if you see anything that would need more work and improvement so I can make sure page gets published when it has a second review. This is the link to it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mark_Kotter

Thank you in advance for your guidance and support.

Best wishes, Damjana Damjana12 (talk) 22:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Damjana12, the draft has a photograph of Kotter. It's your photograph, clearly taken with Kotter's cooperation. It seems very likely that you are somehow related to Kotter. Please read, digest, and act on Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. -- Hoary (talk) 00:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hoary,

Thank you so much for your comment, I read the guide and I uploaded another photo which I found online from Mark Kotter in BBC Surgeons At the Edge of Life. Do you think screenshot of that is okay for Wikipedia and qualifies as fair use under the Copyright law? Thanks a lot for your help. Damjana12 (talk) 01:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Damjana12, a non-free file is never "okay for Wikipedia". It may perhaps be OK for this or that specific use within Wikipedia. A non-free photograph of a living person is virtually never permissible. A non-free photograph is never permitted in a draft. A few minutes ago, I deleted File:Mark Kotter in BBC Surgeons At the Edge of Life.png. As for c:File:Mark Kotter in the Galerie.jpg, is this or isn't it your own work? If it is, then please comment on the question of conflict of interest. If it isn't, then please edit c:File:Mark Kotter in the Galerie.jpg so that it doesn't perpetuate misinformation. -- Hoary (talk) 02:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Dear Hoary,

Thank you for your clear explanation regarding the use of non-free files on Wikipedia. I understand the importance of adhering to these guidelines, especially concerning images of living persons and the restrictions on non-free photographs in drafts.

Regarding c:FileKotter in the Galerie.jpg, I must clarify that this is not my own work. I will therefore remove it to avoid any misinformation. If I can obtain an image with the proper copyrights, I will replace it; otherwise, I will leave the draft without an image.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention and for your guidance. Damjana12 (talk) 10:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Delete

My article has been tagged ,<discuss whether to delete or not>. What does it mean? Junurita (talk) 03:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

You created the article Fluoric (iii) acid in mainspace today and it was shortly thereafter nominated for deletion. You are allowed to comment. The AfD process ususally takes 7-10 days, as the end of which an Administrator makes a decision to delete or not. David notMD (talk) 03:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Junurita, might I suggest that you continue creating articles through the AfC process, until you gain a better understanding of our requirements and policies in what comes to notability and referencing? Just because you now can publish directly, doesn't mean that you necessarily should; AfC is still there for you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Junurita You submitted Draft:Fluorous acid four times yesterday and it was declined on each occasion because you had made essentially no improvements to it. You are wasting the precious time of the volunteer editors who review such drafts. Please do not submit any further draft until you have read and fully complied with all the advice at Help:Your first article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, but publishing directly into the main space, as was done with Fluoric (iii) acid, then pushes that burden onto AfD. I don't know which is worse, both are perennially congested of course, but at least the draft space is (arguably) a safer learning environment. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, if you find me too useless or annoying, don't hesitate to ban me, thanks for the criticism. Junurita (talk) 00:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Junurita, we do not find you useless or annoying - we are just asking you to listen to feedback, understand what's being asked of you, and to implement that. We all understand that Wikipedia can be confusing and overwhelming for a new editor. We were all new editors once! We get frustrated when people spend their time and energy trying to help you, and it seems like you are not paying any attention. Everyone here volunteers their time. None of us get paid to edit Wikipedia. We are just asking you to respect and value our time, which we are giving to you instead of to do other things we enjoy.

Now that the article is undergoing a deletion discussion, you have the opportunity to hear from editors who have not previously seen your draft. This might be unpleasant but it is also very valuable for you. If it's too hard to read right now, save it for later - deletion discussions are archived so you can look back at it whenever you like. The editors in the discussion will be explaining why they think it's not currently suitable for Wikipedia according to our policies, so you will be able to see what you need to fix. Even if this article is deleted, and even if the topic is not suitable for Wikipedia, you can use these explanations for your next draft. If you genuinely don't understand the policies after reading them, you can ask and we will try to explain more.

People will only get frustrated if they feel that you are not listening, if you don't make any effort to fix your drafts before resubmitting. If you are truly trying to fix things, we will keep trying to help until we think we just can't help any more. It's okay to make mistakes, you just have to listen to people telling you there is a mistake, and then you have to fix the mistake. That's all. You can do that! StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for making you angry. Now I realize I made a very serious mistake.Thank you for remind me! Junurita (talk) 09:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Second opinion on "Passing" (gender)

I've been trying to fix up the issues on the passing (gender) article since it is tagged with multiple issues and was kind of a mess. I tried to fix some of the more obvious things like adding sources to unsourced info, removing fake sources and self-published stuff like personal blogs, and removing some weasel words. Since this is my first time doing a major clean up on an article, I was wondering if another editor could maybe look over it and let me know if it's ready to have the multiple issues tag removed and what else there is to correct if not. I'm particularly having trouble understanding how to best make the article cohesive. Thanks. Urchincrawler (talk) 04:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Urchincrawler I hope someone will answer here, but the Teahouse is probably not the place to request this type of feedback. I suggest asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies or the user that tagged the page (courtesy ping to Ethanpet113). Broc (talk) 07:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

No response

Somebody (not me) has made an extended confirmed edit request at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hindu_terrorism#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2024 but nobody has bothered to reply. I feel the request is worth considering. The request can be consolidated to, change what is there in the, "Other incidents" section to:-

The Indian Home Secretary R. K. Singh said that at least 10 people having close links with the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and its affiliated organisations were falsely named accused in various acts of terror across India.[72] According to released documents by WikiLeaks, Congress(I) party's general secretary Rahul Gandhi alleged at a luncheon hosted by the Prime Minister of India at his residence in July 2009 for the US Ambassador Tim Roemer, that the RSS was a "bigger threat" to India than the Lashkar-e-Taiba.[73] At The Annual Conference of Director Generals of Police held in New Delhi on 16 September 2011, a special director of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) reportedly informed the state police chiefs that Hindutva activists have either been suspected or are under false investigations, in 16 incidents of bomb blasts in the country.

2406:7400:90:92A7:A652:32F8:63C8:1B07 (talk) 06:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Please be patient. There are currently 103 requests waiting to be answered. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Shantavira: You seem to be active here. Can you click on the link above and do the needful?-2406:7400:90:92A7:1D4B:88DD:A9C4:3D82 (talk) 10:17, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Improving a draft article

Hello! I have been working on improving a draft article for the digital history project titled Engineering Historical Memory (EHM). The page can be accessed here. May I seek your kind advice to check whether the page is ready for submission or if it still requires further improvements, please? Thank you so much! ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 09:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ArgonautOfHistory the AfC process is meant exactly for you to receive feedback on the page. If you think it's ready to be published, press "Submit the draft for review!". An experienced editor will check the page to verify it fulfills notability criteria, it does not have copyright violations, and it is properly sourced. From a first look, it seems a good start. Broc (talk) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Broc, thank you for your quick reply and suggestion. Noted! :) ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 02:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

How can I submit an article from my sandbox?

Could you please advise me how to submit an article from my sandbox? Naila Oto (talk) 09:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Naila Oto I've added the submission template for you so that you could submit the draft when you're ready. However note that the draft is completely unsourced and will likely be declined if submitted at its current state. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

(e/c) Hello @Naila Oto and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing a Wikipedia article from scratch is very challenging for someone new to Wikipedia. I'm afraid there would be no point in submitting User:Naila Oto/sandbox for consideration at present as it currently has no references to reliable sources. I suggest you read WP:Your first article as well as our policy pages at WP:Reliable sources and WP:Referencing for beginners. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Naila Oto You asked essentially the same question a couple of weeks ago and I gave essentially the same answer, now archived at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1228#Please_help. We are trying to help you but you need to read and act on the pages we link to. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Deleted page: 30 Year old Youth NGO Club "The House" from Latvia.

Hello, everyone!

Our NGO's page has been deleted with the translated texts from Latvian language page, I was wondering what was the reason and how practically we could fix them, to improve the acceptance rate. This was the page that god deleted. Thank you! DanielsLiecis (talk) 10:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@DanielsLiecis I'm not an admin, so I can't read deleted pages. Guessing by the message on you talkpage and Klubs "Māja" - jaunatne vienotai Eiropai, my guess is that you have WP:GNG proplems, see WP:BACKWARD. An en-WP article about this org is supposed to be a summary of independent WP:RS about this org, not repetitions about what it says about itself on it's website. See also WP:COI and Help:Translation#English_Wikipedia_policy_requirements. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Leave

A member talk me leave wikipedia because my english is not good .What should i do? P/S: I am vietnamese but i want to contribute in wikipedia english . Junurita (talk) 11:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Junurita, they did not tell you to "leave wikipedia", they merely suggested (courtesy ping to CanonNi) that it might be better for you to contribute to Wikipedia in Vietnamese. That being said, there are many non-native English speakers on the Wikipedia in English, including myself.

While you might not be ready to create new content in English, you could help out with many other tasks, such as adding sources to pages or helping with categorization. You can check out the Wikipedia:Task Center, you will certainly find a task that is suitable for you even with limited English proficiency. Broc (talk) 11:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much Junurita (talk) 13:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

User's data published in a dataset - PhD thesis

Hi everyone.

I am doing a research on Wikipedia and gender, studying the Articles for Deletion. I want to publish copies of the debates as datasets in open data, but they include signatures/user's name. Is this problematic regarding the user's privacy? The debates are attachments of the research document.

Many thanks for your help. Hiperterminal (talk) 11:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hiperterminal Media and scholarship routinely include WP usernames when they think they should. Sometimes some of us wish they hadn't, but there's not much we can do about it. WP is very public, that is sort of the point, and hopefully we thought of that when we wrote whatever we wrote. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Hiperterminal, all public content on Wikipedia is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 license, so it can be redistributed. If you're starting a research project, you might want to check out Wikipedia:Ethically researching Wikipedia and meta:Notes on good practices on Wikipedia research. Anonymizing and/or pseudonymizing your dataset might be a good idea if you have privacy concerns. Broc (talk) 12:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi! What you are considering involves research about human subjects. While the content is released under an appropriate license, your university should have an ethics committee that will need to consider this research and approve it, given that you will be unable to source permission from the subjects you are looking at. Your supervisor can offer the best advice, but I suspect you will need ethics approval from the university before publishing the data, especially as it may contain identifying information. - Bilby (talk) 14:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments @Gråbergs Gråa Sång @Broc @Bilby, appreciate a lot your feedback. I just want to add that my university approved the research through an ethics committee, following the argument about the CC by-sa license. However, I wanted to double check with the community and you gave me a very good guide. Best, Hiperterminal (talk) 16:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Please help me with an article

Hi, I am reaching out with a huge request for help in making the proper changes to the article about Dr. Andrew Pohorille. He was a founder of astrobiology at NASA and passed away on January 6, 2024. Pohorille was a pioneer in the field of modeling the origin of life (OoL), developing computer simulations of biomolecular systems, models of genetic and metabolic networks, and research on the statistical mechanics of condensed phases. His wife asked me to commemorate his life's work and include information about him. https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/news/in-memoriam-andrzej-pohorille/. I would be grateful for your help and support. I'll really appreciate for help with that. Aleksandra6617 (talk) 13:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Aleksandra6617, do you think the subject fulfills Wikipedia notability criteria for academics? If so, I suggest drafting an article using the Articles for Creation process; once you are ready with it, you can submit it and an experienced editor will review it. Make sure to use reliable sources to support the content in the article. Broc (talk) 13:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help and suggestions. I have a lot of external materials, so I will link them in the draft and send it for approval. Aleksandra6617 (talk) 11:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Aleksandra6617 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft(Draft:Andrew Pohorille) is completely unsourced. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, especially as a new user without experience and knowledge. Please understand that a Wikipedia article is not a way to honor or memorialize someone(even if in practice it might do so, that's not the intention). A Wikipedia article exists to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability- like a notable academic as Broc states. You need to provide sources to support the content of your article- it would actually probably be best if you first gathered the sources and then summarize them(see WP:BACKWARD). It sounds like sources could exist if he was influential at NASA, you just need to find them so any information they contain can be verified. You can learn more about sourcing at Referencing for Beginners.

If this sounds like a steeper hill to climb than you intended, you might want to consider social media or a personal website as a way you can tell the world about Dr. Pororille.

Since you are acting at the request of Dr. Pohorille's wife, you have a conflict of interest that you should disclose on your user page. 331dot (talk) 14:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for these tips. I do not see a conflict of interest in presenting hard facts and information. I will include confirmations from external, well-known sources in the article, so I hope there will be no issues with their credibility. Additionally, I am a completely random person with no connection to these individuals. However, after learning about Mr. Andrew's history and his achievements as a scientist, I believe that his contributions are definitely worth including. Aleksandra6617 (talk) 11:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Suggestions

As a new Wikipedian, from which types of activity should I start? Random User 4737 (talk) 14:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I've posted a welcome message on your user talk page that contains some good information that may help you, including a link to the Task Center with suggestions on ways you can help. 331dot (talk) 14:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Review my page!

OP blocked and globally locked. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Someone kindly rewiew my page as soon as possible. 3 4 2 1 football eleven 3 4 2 1 (talk) 14:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC) Edit: someone reviewed my page but rejected it for a blatantly invalid reason. Someone please take a look 3 4 2 1 football eleven 3 4 2 1 (talk) 14:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC) @331dot answer also to me you've answered lots of questions here in these minutes 3 4 2 1 football eleven 3 4 2 1 (talk) 14:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC) Draft:The ideal 3 4 2 1 formation for the Italy national team was correctly rejected. Wikipedia is not for posting your personal thoughts on what a good football formation or play for the Italian national football team is. That's what social media is for. 331dot (talk) 14:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC) Hello, 3 4 2 1 etc. Your draft was correctly rejected, as it is nothing like a Wikipedia article. A Wikipedia article summarises what independent, reliable sources say about a subject, nothing else. No Wikipedia article should ever advance an argument, opinion, or conclusion, in Wikipedia's voice. You are in the same position as hundreds and hundreds of other new editors, who think that it is going to work to plunge straight into creating an article before you have learnt anything about how Wikipedia works, and what its criteria are. You are in the position of somebody who has never played tennis, and enters a major competition; or somebody who has never learnt anything about how to build houses, but who chooses a plot of land (without knowing how to survey it, or what a survey might show) and tries to erect a house. I always advise new editors to not even think of creating a new article until they have spent weeks or months learning the necessary skills, by making improvements to existing articles. When they have some understanding of verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, then perhaps they can read Help:Your first article carefully, and try it. ColinFine (talk) 14:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC) Note: @ColinFine presumably meant to link to WP:your first article Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 15:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC) The WP: page is a redirect to the Help page, Victor. ColinFine (talk) 17:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC) @ColinFine Actually, your original post contained a typo ([[WP;your first article|WP;your first article]]), which an IPv4 since corrected. I should've probbably removed my comment after that, but decided not to so you're not confused over why you got a ping. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC) And when I corrected the typo (explained in the edit comment), Victor's comment was not visible to me or I would not have thought the correction necessary. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.82.201 (talk) 09:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Requersted article

I am looking for someone to consider rewriting the deleted article for the english version of https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Rotmans. Unfortunately the article was deleted and in need of help from someone to restore the deleted page or rewrite it in appropriate format. for reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jan_Rotmans&action=edit&redlink=1. (I work for the article subject but lack proper editing skills). All help is very much appreciated! Therealjanrotmans (talk) 14:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Therealjanrotmans Hello. You say you work for the subject, but your username indicates that you are the subject. If you are not Jan Rotmans, you should change your username immediately, please see Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to change your username.

Since you work for him, the Wikipedia Terms of Use require you to formally disclose that, please see the paid editing policy. It's enough for you to just write a statement on your user page. 331dot (talk) 14:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for reply. I've just requested a username change as you suggested through WP:CHUS.

I was trying to write the following statement on user page. Can you confirm this will do and where to upload it? Especially since I was working in Safari and i get a message now that my IP has been blocked from editing Wikipedia. :O

Hello,

I am an employee of Smarthouse, the company that handles the social media and Wikipedia content for Jan Rotmans. In accordance with Wikipedia's paid editing policy, I am disclosing my professional relationship with Jan Rotmans.

All my contributions to Wikipedia regarding Jan Rotmans and related topics are made in good faith with the intention of providing accurate and helpful information. I strive to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines and maintain a neutral point of view in all edits.

If you have any questions or concerns about my edits, please feel free to contact me.

Best regards,

Smarthouse Therealjanrotmans (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

The main issue with the draft is that it was completely unsourced. A Wikipedia article should summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic. What is acceptable on other language Wikipedias may not necessarily be acceptable here, each Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. 331dot (talk) 14:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Fair point, will providing some sources in english help? If so:

https://www.eur.nl/en/news/transition-expert-jan-rotmans-remains-positive-more-chaos-better

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jan-Rotmans

https://www.erasmusmagazine.nl/en/2020/03/09/climate-change-expert-jan-rotmans-its-our-moral-duty-to-remain-optimistic/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7vNDpa45yU. (this video was posted by ministry of business and innovation) Therealjanrotmans (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Therealjanrotmans. I suggest you read WP:BOSS. ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I have thank you, you are right, i don't want to edit anything but I'm trying to get him recognized as public figure as he has been in the media and on the news recently. So someone else can help us with editing his pages. Whats the best way would you say? I am not paid to handle his wikipedia just to get his growing public figure presence across all platforms. Therealjanrotmans (talk) 14:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

If his 'public figure presence' is growing, it is likely that it is Wikipedia:Too soon for him to qualify as Wikipedia:Notable. An en.Wikipedia article must be based solely on what has been published about a subject by Wikipedia:Reliable sources unconnected to the subject. Please note that Wikipedia is not to be used for Wikipedia:Promotion.

The best way is to wait until his presence has grown, at which point someone unconnected to him will probably want to create a Wikipedia article about him. He (and you) will have no control over what is in it. You (and he) might want to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.82.201 (talk) 15:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, Therealjanrotmans. trying to get him recognized as public figure is called "Promotion", and forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Consumer activism

in a tv in india in the 80's (if I am right)there was a serial called rajni where a lady the main character argues on behalf of consumers- that was a tv serial in india but I read ralph Nader also used to speak on behalf of consumers- like common cause ect- is mrs Elizabeth warren doing somewhat similar things- I think mrs Elizabeth warren is a senator- thanks PvinodM85 (talk) 15:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello @PvinodM85. This page is for asking questions about the use and editing of Wikipedia. Do you have such a question? Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Which page to centralize the discussion

I recently raised an issue about controversial statement in fundraiser banner at Village pump (WMF), however comments started to come there as well at Fundraising/2024 banners, and I also posted it at meta wiki on Talk:Fundraising as written on Fundraising/2024 banners, however it is out of wikipedia so not to bother about. Which discussion should be closed? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:11, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

How do I start proposing an edit to a talk page of a protected page?

I wanted to propose a change to a page with "Extended confirmed protection". I wrote down what I considered to be the problem, and suggested what needs to be changed

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests You

1. Propose a specific change on a talk page. Don't add an edit request template yet.

I described the reasons for the requested change and what needs to be changed very informally as a starting point of a discussion. I provided links to sources that supports the change.

Yet the entry in the talk page was immediately reverted with the motivation: "not formal edit request by non-ECU"

I then again provided the reasoning and the links, as well as the change in the format

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New Text

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and now I got a threatening message that I will be reported to the administrators again referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests

I think the current entry is seriously misrepresenting the facts. It it not allowed to say so?

I can understand that an edit needs to be formatted in a certain way before it is accepted but reverting a talk page entry is a different matter.

I now got a message from the guy reverting "The absence of an edit template is the least concern. You are requesting for a massive shift of tone of the article which would require a more formal discussion and you would be barred from participating due to your non-extended confirmed status."

Is that a valid reason to revert a talk page contribution?

What is needed to get a discussion about a change started on such a page? UlfRSamuelsson (talk) 15:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@UlfRSamuelsson: Please mention the article about which you are talking. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gaza_genocide UlfRSamuelsson (talk) 15:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

On the top of talk page, you see written "You must be logged-in, have 500 edits and an account age of 30 days" to edit the pages related to the contentious topics. If talk pages are included in this or not, I believe other hosts can help you with. If yes, then you are not allowed to put forward your comments on the talk page, if you can then you can. Note to hosts: WP:ARBECR may be beneficial to look at. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Users are allowed to post edit requests to propose specific changes to an article, even in this topic area. This user proposed a dramatic shift in tone of the article, beyond a specific change, and that requires a discussion that due to the CT restrictions they could not participate in yet. 331dot (talk) 15:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@UlfRSamuelsson: In simple language, there is no problem of any technicality here or procedure like '=' etc. The topics related to 'Arab–Israeli conflict' are considered contentious on Wikipedia for editing purposes. The article of Gaza Genocide contains huge sum of text which is part of these contentious topics. So to keep things under control, it has been decided that editors with less than 500 edits and 30 days of experience should not edit the article (a lock is placed for you), and for the talk page, you are welcome to make constructive comments or suggestions. However, as User 331dot points above, you are proposing changes which could dramatically shift the tone of the article itself. Unfortunately, you cannot participate in a discussion for a thing that could have such a vast impact on that article. However, if you have specific small changes or suggestions, your help is welcomed. I hope your confusion is cleared now.

ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 16:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Any change in the article that suggests that Israel has not committed genocide, then seems out of place

because the whole page seems to be a biased argument attacking Israel.

At the moment I am not welcome to make constructive comments on the talk page since my comments are immediately reverted.

Like this comment from an ICJ judge (Nolte) made in a declaration in May:

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240524-ord-01-02-en.pdf

"I remain unconvinced that the evidence presented to the Court provides plausible indications that the military operation undertaken by Israel as such is being pursued with genocidal intent"

And he is one of the judges that continuously votes yes to the ICJ orders.

I think such points should be possible to raise in a talk page even if I cannot participate in a discussion.

But you say that I should not even try to address the biases found in the page. UlfRSamuelsson (talk) 16:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

In addition,I can understand the restriction on participating in comments for such pages, but a useful modification would be to the let the experienced authors decide if they want to let the user proposing the change defend the request or not, with default being no. UlfRSamuelsson (talk) 16:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

UlfRSamuelsson That's a significant modification to the contentious topics regime, so you would need to propose that to the Arbitration Committee(ArbCom), see WP:ARBCOM- if you really want to get into the weeds of Wikipedia. It would probably be easier for you to wait until you meet the ECR criteria(30 days/500 edits). 331dot (talk) 16:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@UlfRSamuelsson I think it's generally good advice not to start working on contentious topics as a new editor: these topics often involve very long discussions and require a great deal of policy knowledge.

I suggest you start by working in other areas of Wikipedia that are of interest to you, either by adding content or by helping with maintenance tasks (have a look at Wikipedia:Task Center if you want to find out how to help). Once you get the extended confirmed access (30 days and 500 edits), you will be able to participate in contentious topics discussions. Until then, I suggest you focus on learning how Wikipedia works by editing elsewhere. Broc (talk) 17:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Language fluency of Wikipedia editors

Many people who edit the English Wikipedia are very clearly not fluent English speakers. Given the vast and increasing articles-to-editors ratio, most of their errors never get fixed. And given Wikipedia's market dominance, it seems likely that the failure to correct basic language errors here will lead to a long term measurable degradation of the English language itself. I find it very strange that people edit an encyclopedia in a language they don't even speak well. I wonder why they do it, and whether other languages experience this too? Does the German Wikipedia, for example, contain very frequent errors introduced by people who don't speak German fluently? 79.32.96.217 (talk) 18:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I take issue with will lead to a long term measurable degradation of the English language itself. From the oldest writing (excluding commercial and monumental texts) we have writers bemoaning the degradation of the language. That's how English happened. English has already changed in response to internationalisation, and one of the drivers for that is people who use it as a second or third language (see International English, for example). ColinFine (talk) 18:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

How do you come to think that "Many people who edit the English Wikipedia are very clearly not fluent English speakers"? Keeping in mind that native speakers of English are just as, if not more, likely to make minor typographic errors than people who learned English later in life. -- D'n'B-t -- 18:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

As a non-native English speaker I can tell you my experience, IP user. I come to the English Wikipedia because I enjoy the global content, as editors from all over the world contribute to it. That means you will find information about US elections, Vietnamese football, Rwandan literature and everything in between. As a reader of both the German and Italian Wikipedias, I find the content there being more "local" (in-depth content of the DACH countries and Italy, respectively, and shallower coverage of the rest). If only native speakers were contributing to the English Wikipedia, the result would likely be content with an even stronger geographical bias than we already have. Broc (talk) 19:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your encouragement, I'm a Vietnamese editor, a few days ago I posted a question quite similar to this topic. Junurita (talk) 09:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

How to clean up so much disruptive editing?

The page Rana (clan) has been almost entirely deleted over what seems to be hundreds of edits. What are the procedures to properly cleaning this up? Is there a page to notify admins of this sort of stuff, beyond Wikipedia:Requests for page protection? Thanks. LucasR muteacc (talk) 19:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:RFPP is your best best. I restored back the past few edits and semi'd the page for 3 days. RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Why did Merge bot prepend a `:` to my {merge from} article name?

On the Norton 360 page, I added a {merge from} template linking to Norton 360 (2006-2014). Immediately afterwards, Merge bot made an edit prepending a `:` character to the link (i.e, [:Norton 360 (2006-2014)]). I have seen the colon used to link to a category without categorizing the page, but Merge bot's reasoning was "apparently Norton 360 (2006-2014) moved to :Norton 360 (2006–2014)".

What happened here? Is this a glitch with Merge bot, or is the article 'really' named with a `:` prepended, or some other use of that character I'm not aware of? Thanks :) Tule-hog (talk) 21:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Tule-hog. The colon is technically not needed for articles, but it's easier (in terms of code of Merge bot) to add it to every link. See Help:Colon trick for details.

The actual, more interesting change—Special:Diff/1233108520—is about the redirect Norton 360 (2006-2014) where the hyphen is used instead of the en dash as in Norton 360 (2006–2014). In addition to Wikipedia articles linked before, see also WP:NDASH for some details about use of en dash on English Wikipedia. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

See also Special:Permalink/1173207369 with edit summary Redirecting to Norton 360 (2006–2014) because titles with en-dashes are hard to type. Errors? User:AnomieBOT/shutoff/EnDashRedirectCreator. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Tule-hog: The redirect at Norton 360 (2006-2014) said #REDIRECT [[:Norton 360 (2006–2014)]], where the target has an en dash instead of a hyphen. Merge bot simply copied :Norton 360 (2006–2014). The redirect still works with a colon in front but it's unnecessary and confusing so I have removed it.[4] Merge bot copied the colon to a place where it's visible which increases the confusion so I have also removed it there.[5] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

totally missed the en dash. thanks for the explanations! Tule-hog (talk) 23:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

How to change picture on Wikipedia Page.

I'm new to editing a page and I wanted to change a picture on a footballers page I don't know how to. If anybody could help that would be amazing. i will link the page where the picture is. Lloyd Kelly Sauberos (talk) 22:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Sauberos Depends. We can use that particular image because the copyright holder clearly states that it's ok. Almost all random pics you find online can't be used on WP/Commons because copyright. So the question is, what do you want to change it to? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

to a newer picture of him but i found it online😭 Sauberos (talk) 22:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Nearly all pictures found online are Copyrighted and cannot be used on Wikipedia. Often, there will be a copyright declaration near the image or at the foot of the web page it's on, or on the first page of the website, but even if there is not, copyright must be assumed, as it exists automatically when a new picture (etc.) is made and does not need to be claimed. Some images found online may be illicit copies, but copying and re-publishing a stolen image is as bad as stealing it directly.

A picture found online of a living person (to whom Fair use cannot apply) can only be used on Wikipedia if is covered by Public domain (which will not be the case here), or if the copyright holder has explicitly released it under an appropriate Creative Commons license. Copyright holders can also release pictures to Wikipedia, but have to fill out a specific legal form to do so.

Using copyrighted images without permission can result in legal action. See Wikipedia:Copyrights for more details.

I advise you to read in full all of the texts I have linked to, not because you need to know all their details, but because it will bring home to you how complicated Copyright is, how serious copyright infringement is and why Wikipedia does not allow it.{The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.82.201 (talk) 09:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon advice and Simultaneous editing

I am planning an edit-a-thon for electronic literature that will be in person at several locations and together in zoom. Do you have any advice for that? What has worked well and what should I avoid? Can multiple people edit the same article at the same time?

Thanks! 22:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC) LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 22:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature Have you looked at Wikipedia:How to run an edit-a-thon? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

LoveElectronicLiterature, if multiple people are going to be editing the same article simultaneously, then edit conflicts are inevitable. Please read Help:Edit conflict for information about how to manage that. Cullen328 (talk) 23:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Eamwit

why was this draft rejected? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Eamwit 50.45.214.102 (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user and welcome to Wikipedia. The reasons why your draft was declined are in the gray boxes inside the AfC submission templates on the top of your draft. The reasons say: "This submission is not adequately supported by Reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources." Hope this helps. Meltdown reverter (mail) 23:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

How would I fix it to make it supported by reliable sources? 50.45.214.102 (talk) 03:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. To be pedantic, your draft was declined, not rejected; the former implies that if improved, the draft may eventually be accepted as an article, while the latter means that any further time spent on it would be wasted and you shouldn't bother. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP user. I corrected the formatting of your references. In addition, I did a few minutes of online research and added info about believed ancestors of the country’s people, and the English translation of Eamwit. I would suggest that, while waiting for the next review of your draft, you do additional research and add additional information about the Eamwit people. Can you find data on their education system, common means of earning a living, and if the tribe’s chief has others helping in governing the people? Since you are interested in publishing an article on Eamwit, it should not be much of a burden for you to do additional online research, using reliable references.

If you haven’t done so already I would suggest you read Help:Referencing for beginners and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources for help in expanding your draft. Best wishes on your Wikipedia draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Articles on obscure things that are exempted?

What sort of articles are the most exempted from notability? - S L A Y T H E - (talk) 23:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

hi @Slaythe and welcome to Wikipedia! nothing would be exempted from at the very least the General notability guideline or any of the more specific guidelines, though if someone may not strictly fit the additional criteria for say, people, they would at the very least have to meet the general notability guideline. at the very least, you would likely want reliable, independent sources with significant coverage in writing the article anyway as these kinds of sources are the most valuable and likely necessary in writing articles, even if they already fit the specific criteria. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Slaythe I would add that anything made up, and anything that has not been written about and published in detail and in depth by independent sources would be exempted from notability. You should read through both WP:What Wikipedia is not and WP:Notability to gain a clearer understanding. Within many topics (such as sports and music) you will find clear criteria that do have to be met if general notability hasn't been achieved. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Slaythe there are many articles on obscure things on Wikipedia. Niche sources, as long as they are reliable and provide significant coverage, are valid sources for an article, even if they are difficult to access, and count towards notability. So if you have access to niche sources and want to write about an obscure topic, go ahead!

P.S.: When you say "obscure things", Depths of Wikipedia immediately comes to mind :D Broc (talk) 07:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Slaythe There are certainly many "obscure" geographical locations in Wikipedia. You may be interested to read Wikipedia:Inherent notability. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Ditto articles about species. David notMD (talk) 11:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Question about ArbCom procedures

Hello. I’m specifically asking about pages such as the one for the Oslo II Accord. This page did not receive enough vandalism or disruptive editing to get protected until getting full ECP entirely because it was related to the Israel–Palestine conflict. Do arbitration procedures apply even in cases where nothing actually happened to the article and they just happened to be related to a contentious topic? If so, that is the most supremely dumb guideline on the entire website because you’re protecting a page based on the level of disruptive editing of other pages that may only be tangentially related. If I’m correct, then why is that guideline there in the first place? CharlieEdited (talk) 01:11, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@CharlieEdited see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles for the reason. I can assure you that it is in no way 'supremely dumb'. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Broadly construing the topic area prevents additional disruption, as it prevents arguments over what is and is not tangentially related. 331dot (talk) 07:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Unable to publish translation from english to simple english on the article 'Gyat'

I am not a very experienced editor/translator, and whenever i try to publish the translation, i cannot due so due to the automatic vandalism detection. I am not doing vandalism!! it provides this message: " Automatic edit filters have identified problematic content in your translation. Filter hit: Yolo swag and other vandalism trends ". I don't know what the 'yolo swag' bit means, those words arent used in my translation https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Huntsmcgee/Gyat Huntsmcgee (talk) 02:33, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

This is English Wikipedia, which is a different project from Simple Wikipedia. You might want to ask for help at their version of the Teahouse, Simple Talk. But it looks like they have an edit filter that stops people from adding nonsense words, because people who use those type of words are usually just vandalizing or causing problems. In this case, "Yolo swag and other vandalism trends" is the name of the filter. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Huntsmcgee Although I rarely edit at Simple English Wikipedia, I can comment on the fact that neither of the two articles you have ‘translated’ for that site seem to fit the purpose of Simple Wikipedia. It’s not just about changing long words for easier words, but should involve distilling down content into a much more comprehensible format. I don’t feel you have mastered that idea yet. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 04:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

How to handle emotional responses?

Suppose in a talk page or notice board discussion when we come across emotional response, up to the extent expectations are withing policies and guideline we can support. But parts of expectations are not within policy or guidelines or time taking but our peer Wikipedian is overtly emotional, how to handle such emotional responses? also when they are experienced users of otherwise good standing.

As such my WP search for word 'emotional' found Essays: Wikipedia:Mostly negative, Wikipedia:Avoiding talk-page disruption, Wikipedia:Don't demand that editors solve the problems they identify, WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT

Is there any useful essay to help, "How to handle emotional responses?" aspect or you can share own helpful tips and helpful experiences. 09:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC) Bookku (talk) 09:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

a acceptable article

Dear, I have feel my article are kind of similar type that others are in live. is there any language or anything that meet standard? so, what is that? I would like to see article that I contribute. My article is here Draft:Kagoj

Urmeesalma (talk) 11:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Note to Teahouse hosts: Kagoj has previously been speedily deleted under WP:G5. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 11:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Article Expansion

Please expand this article. Mohammad Shiraz is the youngest YouTuber in Pakistan, If you have more information, please add it. Janabanigu (talk) 11:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Why not help expand it yourself? Cremastra (talk) 11:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

i have no more information pl- Janabanigu (talk) 11:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

If you can't find more information, then it's unfortunately unlikely that we can help you. We have access to the same resources. Also, please remember Wikipedia is not a place to WP:PROMOTE things or people; you need to keep a neutral point of view. Cremastra (talk) 11:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

i see on web i'll add mor references thanks for guidance Janabanigu (talk) 11:27, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Reference Assessment Request

Hello, could someone please passement of these mention article references > Draft:Nadeem Aslam Chaudhry is Province administrative boss of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and second one Draft:Akhtar Hayat Khan police boss of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province. Janabanigu (talk) 11:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Pinging the reviewer @Saqib: I'm quite sure the Chief Secretary of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa fulfills WP:NPOL. As for the inspector general of police, there should be enough coverage for a person in such a position to justify WP:GNG. The Category:IGPs of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Police has already quite a few entries. Broc (talk) 11:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)