Talk:BPP University

NPOV

Seems to me that the vasy majority of edits to this page are by editors with a conflict of interest (either BPP staff or editors who have only made edits to BPP pages)? 82.30.71.249 (talk) 07:59, 21 August 2012 (UTC) The article states, "In 2010 the College was granted university status and from that point was known as BPP University College." Surely the article should therefore be called "BPP University College" not "BPP University College of Professional Studies"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael19272 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Racial slur

The last line before the References reads: "The University is also known for using racial slurs in courses while teaching student." -- surely this comment (from a disgruntled student?) should be verified through a source or removed.

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'Insufficient' Ofsted Rating

Hello. I am requesting that the following be added to the “Academic Programmes” section.

“Following a 2018 inspection, it was reported that BPP University was the first university to be rated ‘insufficient’ by Ofsted.

Ofsted’s inspection focused on apprentices on programmes from level two to level five, covering the professional vocational areas: legal, insurance, financial services and technology, stating that managers did not have accurate or reliable data on apprentices progress.

The report also criticised the progress of apprentices as being ‘slow’, with assessors being criticised for failing to intervene in good time when an apprentice fell behind.”

All stated can be sourced to this article: https://feweek.co.uk/2018/11/01/ofsted-slams-private-sector-giant-bpp-for-being-unaware-of-the-slow-progress-apprentices-make/

Thank you, Hawaiibird (talk) 07:39, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply 06-NOV-2018

  Unable to implement  

• The requesting editor has not completed the necessary disclosures regarding the nature of their conflict of interest. The editor should do so forthwith, and once completed, open a new request at their earliest convenience.
  

Regards,  Spintendo  09:44, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Insufficient Rating by Ofsted

Hello. I have COI relating to this in that I am a student with ties to BPP University and BPP Law School.

I am requesting that the following be added to the “Academic Programmes” section.

“Following a 2018 inspection, it was reported that BPP University was the first university to be rated ‘insufficient’ by Ofsted.

Ofsted’s inspection focused on apprentices on programmes from level two to level five, covering the professional vocational areas: legal, insurance, financial services and technology, stating that managers did not have accurate or reliable data on apprentices progress.

The report also criticised the progress of apprentices as being ‘slow’, with assessors being criticised for failing to intervene in good time when an apprentice fell behind.”

All stated can be sourced to this article: https://feweek.co.uk/2018/11/01/ofsted-slams-private-sector-giant-bpp-for-being-unaware-of-the-slow-progress-apprentices-make/

Thank you Hawaiibird (talk) 10:07, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

As I stated at the BPP Law School talk page, students are not prohibited or even discouraged from editing articles on the schools that they attend. The same cannot be said for employees. Occassionally there are issues with alumni adding material that appears as a conflict. But from the relationship you've described (a simple student) I don't see this as a COI issue.  Spintendo  12:42, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

The report's findings appear to come from a standardized review which is done yearly. These results are not any different than results received in any other year — in that they are not regularly communicated about in the school's Wikipedia page (the good reviews or the bad). If passing this review was as important and notable as is now claimed, then the years that BPP did pass should be found mentioned in the article (which of course they aren't). Including the claim now would be balanced by some of the awards mentioned in the page, so WP:BALASP is not a concern. On the otherhand, as BPP is challenging the ruling as part of the review process, the report is, in a sense, preliminary. IMHO I don't see how Ofstead's review is noteworthy in anything outside of a newspaper, and Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. But you're welcome to change my opinion with your reasons why it is.  Spintendo  13:31, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. The article states how the Ofsted rating potentially prohibits BPP from recruiting apprentices (the 16 apprenticeship providers currently rated ‘insufficient’ are banned from recruiting apprenticeships till the next full inspection). This is wholly relevant to the subject, as this is a page concerning BPP Law training. I can see that this is most relevant to the BPP Law School page, though considering the subject matter and seriousness of the consequences; this fits the criteria for inclusion on the page well. Previous Ofsted reviews for the school would only be mentioned in relevance to the page, similar to the relevance of being barred from recruiting apprentices. I am happy for the content of the edit to be updated so as to focus on the potential ban, over reasons why the school was judged “insufficient”, though this naturally still reads as relevant as it explains the essential: the barring.

Perhaps: “BPP Law School currently faces being banned from recruiting new apprentices as it was deemed to be making ‘insufficient progress’ by a September 2018 Ofsted inspection. BPP look to challenge this ruling. All 16 ‘insufficient’-rated providers have been banned from apprenticeship recruitment until the following next inspection.” could be used instead? Hawaiibird (talk) 14:29, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Please note the following links which confirms BPP University has been temporarily banned from taking on new apprentices.

Sourced to Legal Cheek.

Also sourced to FE News.

BBP is also no longer advertising these courses.

Can this now be included, as being banned from recruiting for level 5 and below apprentices is entirely relevant to the page? Hawaiibird (talk) 10:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

References

06-NOV-2018 History section

The History section has been omitted, as it contained text which was insufficiently paraphrased from the source material. A list of the text may be found here. That material was taken from StudyQA, who in turn took the material from BPP's own website, as seen here.  Spintendo  13:31, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merge with BPP University Law School

I don't think BPP University should be split up into stand-alone articles, this content can be merged so that all the schools that are part of the University are described on one page Polyamorph (talk) 09:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

This seems sensible to me. Are you proposing that the final page be "BPP University" or the "BPP University Law School"? Hawaiibird (talk) 09:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

I am proposing BPP University Law School be merged into here BPP University. Cheers Polyamorph (talk) 13:11, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Is this the same as BPP Law School, if so it looks like a copy-paste move was carried out Aloneinthewild (talk) 21:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

It seems to me that one of the Law school pages (they're identical) should be deleted and the other should be merged as a sub-section of the BPP University page. Thanks Hawaiibird (talk) 14:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Actually it gets stranger than I thought, the more recent article was accepted through Afc by 'Frayae' who has since been blocked as a sock puppet. Not sure what should be done here, but a hist merge should probably be performed. Calling Legacypac in case he has advice Aloneinthewild (talk) 17:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I tagged the recently created (and moved by the sock) page for deletion as it is a copy of the other page. The title would make a decent redirect. I agree that BPP Law School should be merged into the BPP University page which will significantly improve it. Legacypac (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Removal of listed law firms

I am a student with ties to BPP - this is my COI.

I request that the list of Law firms be removed from the introduction.

This is sourced only to the university's own website, not to independent media, listing programmes.

This is promotional, not noteworthy in coverage to Wikipedia standards.

Thank you. Hawaiibird (talk) 11:56, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply 16-NOV-2018

  Edit request implemented  

• The request is approved because the given reference did not readily confirm the information stated in the article.
• The various partnerships the school has with law firms may be mentioned in the body of the article if the correct references from the university are provided.

Regards,  Spintendo  14:59, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

History section created, additional tidying-up planned in due course

Hello – I have created a History section by rearranging some content from the introductory paragraphs so the page looks better organised. I believe it will also make it easier to add updates about the university as and when there are key developments.

Additionally, I will make an attempt over the next few weeks to tidy up the other sections within this page as there is some content in here with outdated information and citations.

I would be happy to hear any thoughts and feedback regarding this from wiki experts.

Thank you.

HEwonk (talk) 15:17, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I have completed the tidying up of this page with accurate citations and information regarding the university.

To the best of my ability, in addition to introducing new sections to the page, I have fixed the citations, added latest available information regarding the university’s locations, its structure with the schools and programmes it offers, its ownership history, made a note of its recently awarded indefinite degree-awarding powers, and also included a section on the criticism it has faced from its students this year during the pandemic.

Finally, there is a section on the unfair dismissal tribunal that I am currently reviewing. It is accurately cited, but I believe it needs updating.

I hope this “refresh” is beneficial to all visitors to this page, and I welcome any feedback regarding this from more experienced editors.

Thanks, HEwonk (talk) 20:19, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello - I have updated the History section of this page. In addition to adding some contents to the Student Criticism section, I have introduced a subheading so there is clear distinction between general student criticism and those pertaining to issues during the pandemic.

Thank you, HEwonk (talk) 17:23, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Unfair Dismissal Tribunal section

Hello,

There is an “Unfair dismissal tribunal” section on this page that I believe needs some updating/clarity.

The information posted within the section is accurately cited and links to clear news sources.

However, I believe the accurate verdict should also be included. To this end, I have accessed the London Central Employment Tribunal’s original “Judgment with Reasons” document to lend clarity to the case.

I will include a couple of lines directly quoting the Employment Tribunal judgment on this case from this document issued by Her Majestry’s Courts and Tribunals Service.

Should there be a further appeal from the claimant or the respondent, and if there is a fresh judgment on the case, I will gladly make the necessary updates to the entry should someone (including anyone with COI) bring the updated judgment document to my attention.

Thank you, HEwonk (talk) 20:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

References

Erroneous Article needs urgently updating

Alas this is a very poorly written and biased Wikipedia entry. A complete rewrite is urgently required as BPP University doesn't just cater for Law students. It also conducts a whole host of very successful courses in Business Studies, Healthcare and Digital Technology which have not even been mentioned at all. Shame on the clearly disgruntled writers and editors for delibetately trying to put a slur on the reputation of an outstanding educational establishment which genuinely cares for the welfare of its students. I eagerly look forward to reading a revised and balanced submission in the near future. 2A00:23C7:631F:5300:8D31:FACB:1FA6:FC (talk) 23:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

It may be a bit unbalanced now, but you can contribute to expanding the article along the guidelines for university articles in Wikiproject Higher Education. I will do some as and when but this is the encyclopedia that everyone can edit. (I started this article and have knocked a lot of articles about British universities into shape, but I have been editing very little recently.)

BPP University Courses

Dear Wikipedia editing community,

My username is “Deputy Dean at BPP”. I am the Deputy Dean at BPP University Law School, and I have established this account to help improve the BPP University and BPP Law School articles in line with Wikipedia standards and guidelines. In the interest of full transparency, I chose “Deputy Dean at BPP” as my username so that my affiliation with BPP University is sufficiently clear to all parties I may interact with on Wikipedia whilst not using my own name. After reviewing the Wikipedia: Username policy I believe this username is appropriate.

Please could I request that the below information is added to BPP University’s page to give more up-to-date information about the organisation? The information is factual and neutral in tone, and I have added sources for the information. I look forward to working with you and please let me know if you have any questions via my Talk Page.

Could you please add the below courses to the Academic profile section of BPP University’s page?

• Training courses

• Barrister’s Training Course (BTC)
• Law Conversion Course (PGDL)

• Undergraduate courses

• BSc Accounting and Finance
• BSc Accounting and Finance with Digital Business
• BSc (Hons) Nursing (Mental Health)
• BSc (Hons) Nursing (Adult)

• Postgraduate courses

• Master of Laws (LLM)
• MSc Healthcare Leadership
• MSc Accounting and Finance
• MSc Management
• MSc Management with Data Analytics
• MSc Management with Digital Marketing
• MSc Management with Project Management

Sources:

• https://www.bpp.com/courses/nursing-and-healthcare/university
• https://www.bpp.com/courses/accountancy-and-tax/undergraduate
• https://www.bpp.com/courses/accountancy-and-tax/postgraduate
• https://www.bpp.com/courses/leadership-and-management/postgraduate
• https://www.bpp.com/courses/law/postgraduate

I believe these edits are factual and neutral, and should add to the article's accuracy and usefulness for readers. I have also added sources for the suggested additions. I am keen to contribute in good faith and in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines so welcome any comments and suggestions.

Thank you for your consideration. Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 08:59, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia editing community,

I hope this finds you well. I recently suggested some changes to the BPP University page, and I noticed that they haven't been acknowledged yet. I understand that you may be busy with other tasks, but I wanted to check in to see if there's anything else I can provide to help with the review process. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there's anything else I can do to assist – I welcome any comments or questions you may have via my talk page. Thank you for your time and consideration. Best regards, Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 15:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia editing community,

I’m following up on this as I noticed that my suggested edits are yet to be reviewed. @Wozal, aware that you’re involved with the WikiProject Higher Education so I was wondering if this something you could look into? Again, I understand that you may be busy with reviewing other pages, but it’ll be much appreciated if you could take a look at these or point me in direction of someone who could help.

In the interest of full transparency, my username is “Deputy Dean at BPP” so that my affiliation with BPP University is sufficiently clear to all parties I may interact with on Wikipedia.

Thank you for your time and consideration. Best regards, Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 06:29, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit request / BPP University Courses

My username is “Deputy Dean at BPP”. I am the Deputy Dean at BPP University Law School, and I have established this account to help improve the BPP University and BPP Law School articles in line with Wikipedia standards and guidelines. In the interest of full transparency, I chose “Deputy Dean at BPP” as my username so that my affiliation with BPP University is sufficiently clear to all parties I may interact with on Wikipedia whilst not using my own name. After reviewing the Wikipedia: Username policy I believe this username is appropriate.

Please could I request that the below information is added to BPP University’s page to give more up-to-date information about the organisation? The information is factual and neutral in tone, and I have added sources for the information. I look forward to working with you and please let me know if you have any questions via my Talk Page.

Could you please add the below courses to the Academic profile section of BPP University’s page?

·       Training courses

·       Barrister’s Training Course (BTC)

·       Law Conversion Course (PGDL)

·       Undergraduate courses

·       BSc Accounting and Finance

·       BSc Accounting and Finance with Digital Business

·       BSc (Hons) Nursing (Mental Health)

·       BSc (Hons) Nursing (Adult)

·       Postgraduate courses

·       Master of Laws (LLM)

·       MSc Healthcare Leadership

·       MSc Accounting and Finance

·       MSc Management

·       MSc Management with Data Analytics

·       MSc Management with Digital Marketing

·       MSc Management with Project Management

Sources:

·       https://www.bpp.com/courses/nursing-and-healthcare/university

·       https://www.bpp.com/courses/accountancy-and-tax/undergraduate

·       https://www.bpp.com/courses/accountancy-and-tax/postgraduate

·       https://www.bpp.com/courses/leadership-and-management/postgraduate

·       https://www.bpp.com/courses/law/postgraduate

I believe these edits are factual and neutral, and should add to the article's accuracy and usefulness for readers. I have also added sources for the suggested additions. I am keen to contribute in good faith and in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines so welcome any comments and suggestions. ~~~~ Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 08:08, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done I've added a link to the BPP site's listing of courses in the External links section. Regards,  Spintendo  22:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Spintendo for making that change. Would you consider including the above list in an ‘Academic Profile’ section, as is common with other academic institutions? This is a purely factual edit and from the best of my understanding, is in line with community guidelines? With thanks. Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 11:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Summary of schools

Please could I request that the below information is also added to BPP University’s page to give more up-to-date information about the organisation? As with my previous request, I believe the information is factual and neutral in tone, and I have added sources for the information. Of course, please let me know if you have any questions via my Talk Page.

Could you please add a brief summary of the various BP University schools to the Organisation and administration section of BPP University’s page?

Summary of schools

o   BPP University Law School has over 30 years’ experience delivering professional legal qualifications. BPP University Law School is based in two centres in London (in the heart of ‘legal’ London in Holborn and on the Southbank at Waterloo) and has centres in Birmingham, Bristol, Cambridge, Leeds and Manchester.

o   BPP University Business School provides higher education for aspiring accountants, bankers and managers.The School works with a wide range of professional bodies including ACCA, ICAEW, CMI, CFA, CIPD and Chartered Banker.

o   BPP University School of Nursing works with 31 NHS Trust Partners and 25 Private Sector organisations, across the 7 HHE Regions, to deliver both Direct Entry Undergraduate Education and Apprenticeships. The School operates from London Waterloo and Charlotte Place, Southampton, and from a number of NHS Trust locations. It has partnerships with University Hospital Southampton NHS Foundation Trust, Great Ormond Street Children’s Hospital NHS Foundation Trust, Hampshire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, West Anglia NHS Foundation Trust, HCA Healthcare and Croydon University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust.

o   BPP University School of Technology offers data and technology qualifications at every level, ranging from one-day short courses to levy-fundable apprenticeships and degree apprenticeships, through to Master’s level qualifications.

Source

• https://www.bpp.com/about-bpp/bpp-university

I remain committed to contributing in good faith and in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines so welcome any comments and suggestions you may have. ~~~~ Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 15:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

 Declined Wikipedia is not an extension of the university's website. If you have information about these different subdivisions of schools that is referenced by independent, reliable, secondary sources, that would be acceptable to place in the article. Regards,  Spintendo  15:34, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Dear Spintendo - are these sources more acceptable to support the summary descriptions? With thanks

• Legal Cheek: https://www.legalcheek.com/law-school/bpp-university-law-school/
• UCAS: https://www.ucas.com/explore/unis/95d4242b/bpp-university/courses?studyYear=current
• Study Uni: https://www.studyuni.com/universities/bpp.html

Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 15:57, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Spintendo – I appreciate that you may be busy with reviewing other pages but I wanted to check in to see if you were happy with the above links? If so, it’ll be much appreciated if you could add (some of) the above information to the Organisation and administration section of BPP University’s page. Thank you for your time and consideration. Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 10:28, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Spintendo –Thanks for your help previously on the BPP page. I’ve noticed another omission on our page which is, as previously, a non-controversial edit. The page is missing a some of our locations, namely Doncaster, Newcastle, Nottingham, Reading, Guernsey and Jersey. https://www.bpp.com/about-bpp/locations. Would you agree that these should be added for factual clarity? Thanks so much in advance.

Separately, I’d be most grateful for your view on let me know if those changes are okay with the additional third party sources that I shared with you in the post above. Also I’m really conscious that you may well be busy on other page edits so please let me know if it would be better for me to post this request as a standalone on the Talk page so that a different editor could pick it up?

Many thanks Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 09:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Merge proposal

In the interest of full transparency, my username is “Deputy Dean at BPP” so that my affiliation with BPP University is sufficiently clear to all parties.

I propose merging this page, BPP University with BPP Holdings . I think the content in BPP University can be easily explained in the context of BPP Holdings. A merge would not cause any article-size or weighting problems.

I am proposing this merge in good faith and in line with Wikipedia’s community and content guidelines. Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 15:11, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

This merge has now been completed and content included on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BPP_Holdings Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 14:42, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Merge Completed

The merge of [[1]] into [[2]] has been completed following consensus from the discussion. The content has been integrated and the original page has been redirected. Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 14:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Merge tag

Deputy Dean at BPP (talk) 14:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)