Talk:Beresheet

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• Removed the image until copyvio status is resolved. 66.85.41.75 (talk) 13:49, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
• I believe we could get a suitable replacement from NASA WorldWind. I do not have the technical ability to do this (at least quickly), but if someone else want to do it that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trialpears (talk • contribs) 19:40, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

"Manual command"

According to Space.com, a "manual command likely caused Israeli Moon lander's crash". --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:05, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

It was a proximate cause, but not the root cause; was definitely multi-causal. Read the WP article now, after it was updated with the post-crash investigation report today. N2e (talk) 01:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Beware the Ides of April

51.9.225.162 (talk) 00:21, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Article title (how its displayed)

WP:Manual of Style/Text formatting says "The vessels convention does not apply to smaller conveyances such as cars, trucks, and buses, or to mission names. Also, most real-world spacecraft and rockets at this time are not given proper names, thus Apollo 11, Saturn V, Falcon 9, etc. are not appropriate." So is Beresheet an exception to this rule? :) OkayKenji (talk) 05:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, it seems like the title shouldn't be in italics. See Fcrary's comment. Trialpears 09:14, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose This is a mischaracterization of the Manual of Style, which says:

Spacecraft (including fictional): the Space Shuttle Challenger, Gaia satellite, USS Enterprise NCC-1701, Constitution-class starships. Do not italicize a mission, series, or class except where it coincides with a craft's name: the Eagle was the Apollo 11 lunar lander; Voyager 2 was launched as part of the Voyager program.

Bereheet is a proper name and therefore the spacecraft bearing that name should be italicized. Note the example of the Gaia spacecraft in the Manual of Style. Fcrary (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying the rule, okay so Beresheet 2 should also be italics? (or is that another thing, maybe just the "Beresheet" part of the name) By the way, I didn't mean to be "misleading" in the quote I used, it was just a misunderstanding. OkayKenji (talk) 20:27, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry about the "misleading" comment. I wrote that after seeing a fairly blatant quote taken out of context, so I wasn't feeling charitable. When it comes to Beresheet 2, I think it would be italicized. The Manual of Style does use Voyager 2 as an example of something which should be in italics. And that's also how we do it for the individual Pioneer and Viking spacecraft. But the logic there is getting a little thin. The Explorer spacecraft aren't italicized because they are a series of unrelated missions, and most of their own spacecraft have their own names. But a similar argument could be made for Pioneer. That's were I'd be guided by common usage. But for a reflight or a pair of spacecraft, I'd definitely keep the italics. (By the way, I personally think Beresheet 2 is a silly name. Wouldn't that translate as "second beginning"?)

Thanks, its fine. my fault for just using the quote without using the other one as well (next time I will be more careful). OkayKenji (talk) 22:30, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Landing attempt versus crash landing versus crash

What's the correct term for the end of mission event? I agree a crash landing is a reasonable term for a vehicle under partial control at the time of impact. But Beresheet was essentially on autopilot at the time. We know something went wrong at about 2 km altitude, and signal was lost at about 0.7 km (I think those are the correct numbers.) Do we know it was actually under control or partial control at the time of impact? Fcrary (talk) 18:15, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Life spreading

I came to this article to see if life was spreading on the Moon. The question isn't answered here, even though it is answered in reference 26: "Spivack says there’s no reason to worry about water bears taking over the moon." Art LaPella (talk) 02:09, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

No response, so I added that to the article. Art LaPella (talk) 05:36, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Lander image concept vs reality

@בר: The early concept model of Beresheet was used for public relations while lander configuration was still evolving. Lander that was eventually launched was visually completely different from conceptual render and most recent official images of lander before launch during integration activities or testing can be referred. https://www.iai.co.il/p/moon-lander  Ohsin  22:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

The final image

In the end, according to my source, the probe בראשית took a final selfie of itself. Attached is the article and photo https://gizmodo.com/israels-beresheet-probe-crashes-on-the-moon-1833979818#replies https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/teswnxusyu89lx8g7rqk.png Megabits13 (talk) 00:31, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Megabits13

Article is updated with the post-crash investigation results

Summarized the Weizmann Institute report in the article prose just now. Also, for those most interested, just read the report from the citation. Cheers. N2e (talk) 01:48, 16 January 2024 (UTC)