Talk:Chief mate
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De-stubbed
[edit]I rewrote this article, promoted it to start-class, and lowered the importance from high to mid. Haus42 17:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Great job in the re-write! One comment though... instead of describing each stability concept why not just link to (or create) a separate stability page and leave this one just about what a C/M does not how he does it? The VTS section is also too long. Just a suggestion. Gcaptain 01:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
The photo attached to indicate a Chief Mate does NOT represent cargo, any more than an aircraft or helicopter being launched from a ship could be described as "cargo"! It is actually a scientific ROV on a NOAA project being deployed over the stern into the water, referring to the NOAA link. Deck officers have little or no involvement in launching and recovering ROVs, that work is performed by specialist ROV pilot-technicians. The "crane" used for this purpose is in fact a specific ROV launch and recovery system (LARS) which serves no other purpose. The LARS in its simpler forms may be a stern mounted A frame as shown on the photo, such a device is no use in loading cargo either from a dock or another ship, it is only useful for putting things into the water.
I know because I am currently on an offshore construction vessel equipped with two 150 HP work class ROVs.
I cannot see how to edit or replace the photo, but clearly what is needed here is a picture of commercial cargo (container or bulk) being loaded onto a ship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.110.201.190 (talk) 02:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Terminology question
[edit]Question on terminology: Back at mid-century I served an Air Force enlistment with several men who had been merchant seamen, and they said that the chief engineer is the First Officer, and the first mate is the Second Officer and subordinate to the First Officer if the Captain is unable to serve. Were they wrong, or has law and terminology changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.122.6.124 (talk • contribs) Jun 10, 2007
Stability issues
[edit]Moved stability section to Stability conditions (watercraft) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.182.175.218 (talk • contribs) Jun 10, 2007
- Ok my move was labeled vandalism and removed by Rich257. I guess I'll have to create an account and upload a picture of my chief Mate license to show that I'm not vandalizing the site. The reason I moved it is because their is way too much information and when my people I meet look up my job they are totally confused. They do not need to know the definition of traverse stability they only need to know what a chief mate is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.182.175.218 (talk • contribs) Jun 10, 2007
- I agree with you and will attempt to delete the redundant stability info, hopefully it will work. I think there is alot more that can be moved but I'll start with just the stability info --Gcaptain 03:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Watchstanding
[edit]I think the statement that "A chief mate is almost always a watchstander" may be an exaggeration. I'm a chief mate on a self-propelled semisbmersible and I don't stand watch, there's just too much cargo and maintenance to do. Neither do other chief mates in the rest of our fleet of drillships. There's a two man watch with a 3/m and 2/m on the Bridge. I know many tankers have an extra 3/m so the C/m doesn't stand watch. Just an observation, I'm new to wiki. This is a well written article, I won't change anything without cites to back it up. Orniphobe 12:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- When I wrote the sentence, I knew it was going to be problemmatic. I think the only way to un-foul the sentence is to distinguish long-haul freighters from, for example research ships, workboats, and coasters. But having stared at it for several minutes I don't see a way to make it more accurate without making it a mess. If something like "A chief mate is typically a watchstander" feels better, please feel free to use it. HausTalk 17:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Historically?
[edit]Perhaps the article should also cover what this position looked like in the past, before there was licensing, rules and international federations. Though I don't know enough about that to write that in. --Petr Hudeček (talk) 18:16, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
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Hawsepiper
[edit]The article says "Hawsepiper refers to climbing up the hawsepipe, a nautical metaphor for climbing up the ship's rank structure". The origin of this is that traditionally sailors' quarters were in in forecastle (fo'c'sle, before the mast, bow) while the officers were in the stern. Starting from the hawsepipe meant starting far forward, that is, as a plain sailor. 80.39.248.186 (talk) 14:35, 21 November 2018 (UTC)