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Deceased?

Surely he shouldn't be marked dead until it's officially confirmed? 84.51.185.30 (talk) 12:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC)Robert84.51.185.30 (talk) 12:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's been on BBC 24hr, Sky Sports News and ITV teletext. What do you need to say that he is "officially" dead? Do you need photographic evidence of his funeral? Or should someone get a copy of his death certificate, for goodness sake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.72.168 (talk • contribs)

At the time of my posting it was only twitter rumours.. 20:40, 26 February 2011 (UTC)Robert

Of course any death and dying is a sensitive matter...despite this--does anyone know what this "long-term illness" was? Jondbames (talk) 16:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No details on any of the sources mentioned by 86.160.72.168 except ITV Teletext, which hasn't broadcast a news service since Dec 2009) - all merely state a "long-term illness" or "long-term serious illness". The Daily Telegraph does cast some doubt on the ear infection reports, saying that his dizziness and headaches "were reportedly initially diagnosed as an inner ear infection" without further details. Sad to see someone die at 36, whatever from. Tonywalton ^Talk 16:42, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the cause of death a "sensitive matter"? When a person is dead, whatever they thought they had to hide is now something that others think they need to hide. Obviously no one dies of an inner ear infection. The appearance is that it was a brain tumour and it's positively medieval to think this something that needs to be hushed up as well as fundamentally wrong. It's apparently a natural cause, and one aggravated in suffering by ignorance when it could be something positive such as an aid for funding of whatever the condition it was. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 22:40, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is a BLP matter - ie that verifiable 3rd part sources are required before such information can be included as fact on Wikipedia. Until there is a verifiable 3rd party source(s), then Wikipedia cannot include an assumption that he died of brain cancer. So far no such sources exist. Incidentally it is possible to die from an inner ear infection. The infection can spread from the inner ear to the brain causing a variation of bacterial meningitis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otitis_media It has been speculated that Oscar Wilde died from this condition: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1037689.stm isfutile:P (talk) 22:47, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How is it WP:BLP? Do you know what BLP stands for? As for the possibility that the cause of death could be an improperly treated inner ear infection, that is all the more of a moral imperative to make that known. Obviously I'm not suggesting that Wikipedia fabricate or infer without overwhelming evidence an unknown cause of death. Also Tony, you are reiterating the attitude that there's something to hide about the cause of death. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 22:59, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is BLP since the man has only recently died and little or no information has been released as to the cause of death. This is detailed in BLP. Wikipedia does not deal in "could" but instead relies on 3rd party sourced facts. Once these facts become apparent, and can be sourced, feel free to add them to the article. isfutile:P (talk) 23:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[1]; It was you who speculated about the cause, I have no idea, just responding to the secrecy/shame/backwardness. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 23:26, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

← It's neither secrecy, shame, nor backwardness. It's WP:V. Tonywalton ^Talk 00:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that the appearance at this point is that the ultimate cause is a general failure of the UK public health system which combined in a negative synergy with the subjects inablity to act as an informed consumer of same, not cancer as I surmised above. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 14:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Where did that come from? WALOB. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 15:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All from the above, i.e. undiagnosed/untreated progression to fatal meningitis from the original inner ear infection or similar. I have no knowledge of this case outside of the dialog on this page, and quick googling about the subject. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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