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Issues

Good of you to start this article but a couple of issues spring to mind:

it doesnt only relate to DV, also to Elder abuse for example
you need to decide if "financial abuse" is just another word for "economic abuse" or means something different. I think that sometimes "financial abuse" has the same meaning and sometimes different so they at least overlap.

--Penbat (talk) 16:21, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Great points!

Regarding elder abuse, a form of the broadest definition of domestic abuse, would you recommend that I: 1) incorporate elder abuse into the article or 2) move the current Economic abuse info to: Economic abuse (domestic abuse)?

The definition of financial abuse seems as if it could be broader than domestic abuse; It doesn't seem to be limited to family members. For instance, a non-family caretaker or business manager could be offenders. Is that right? Either way, I could definitely do as you say and bring it up, because there is an overlap.

It seems to me the best way to handle these is to bring up the topics in the present article. Is that what you are thinking? Or, something else? Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:54, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and added financial abuse, and have collected info about economic abuse of the elderly, which I'm working on right now - then we can figure out if it's best to move/rename the article.--CaroleHenson (talk) 20:29, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You need to seriously trim the DV content in here:

you are most likely violating copyright for some sources such as http://www.ncadv.org/files/EconomicAbuse.pdf by duplicating so much. Just a short summary of a few sentences and the link will do readers can check cited link for more info
Wikipedia isnt a how to instruction guide offering advice
The DV content is disproportionate when elder abuse is probably at least as relevant.

--Penbat (talk) 23:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

1) Hmmm. Well, it's a work in progress and I'm looking to pull more info in. You're right I have a ton of info from the ncadv and could replace that with info from other sources (-it was just such a chock-full info page, with lots of great info!) I get your point, though, and there's definitely plenty that I can find on some of these topics!!!

2) From what I've seen (but I could definitely be wrong) elder abuse seems more of a form of financial abuse. I was thinking about starting an article on financial abuse, but I'm straying too far away from my Domestic violence in the U.S. article and would like to get back to that.

3) The definition of economic abuse is that it's a form of domestic violence, so I'm a bit confused. Maybe I just need a bit of a break. I do have more info to add, but what I'm getting on economic abuse is related to domestic violence.

4) While I'm percolating, if it helps (although you may already be much more aware of this than me), economic abuse is a controlling devise to keep people locked into abusive situations. It's very hard to leave an abusive situation if you have no money, no property and no access to financial-related materials that are needed to make a start. (Yep, a touch passionate about the issue, hence a bit of percolation time.)

5) What do you think about renaming it: Economic abuse (domestic violence)?--CaroleHenson (talk) 23:25, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Although "financial abuse" is used mostly for the elderly, I did find a couple of places where "economic abuse" was used. I made some changes which I think address all of your concerns. How do the article changes grab you?--CaroleHenson (talk) 10:42, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any criteria for how to differentiate financial abuse from a socially acceptable use of someone else's money without their consent? Some non custodial parents fall into this category. I'd be interested in any non-abusive, non-demeaning, respectful feedback on this. Since men do not control women's healthcare choices, the state is entitled to sentence noncustodial fathers to prison. The idea is that if a custodial parent is a welfare recipient, the state can recoup the cost; fathers do not consent to an impossible financial burden which results in a felony.

Similarly, if a woman is sexually abused, forced to give birth and raise her children, this would seem to fit neatly into the article's definition. None of those visceral crimes are financial in nature, but the article lists many examples which fit their descriptions due to their adverse economic nature. So, what is the difference? Should men just man up and accept the biological virtue of being non-victims? 73.182.223.112 (talk) 17:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

CLOSED

Reject merging of article(s) at this time per NO CONSENSUS. Only comment is against the merge GenQuest ^"scribble" 19:08, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Formal request has been received to merge: Economic violence into Economic abuse; dated: October 9, 2023. Proposer's Rationale: These are the same concept. The article about economic violence on the English Wikipedia is currently linked to the Catalan article about socio-economic/socioeconomic violence/abuse, which includes economic violence/abuse but is not limited to it. -Yupik . Discuss here. GenQuest ^"scribble" 13:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to me that there is a marked difference between economic violence and economic abuse. The latter seems directed at intimate partners or family where the former is more of a marco approach at a higher level dealing with large groups of people. For this reason, I would oppose merger the two topics together. If there are addition considerations, I am open to hearing other arguments as I may be missing the reason for the merger. Jurisdicta (talk) 04:20, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.