Talk:Eliud Kipchoge

10Km world record

His 26:54 time over the 10Km was impressive but not a world record. Read the whole article, it states Kipchoge had the benefit of a downhill circuit. So the World record is not valid. The current world record belongs to Micah Kogo. See this [1].--Philipmj24 (talk) 03:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation

How should his surname be pronounced? IPA in the intro would be very useful :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.171.85.214 (talk) 20:47, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't know IPA stuff, but if someone would like to make the requested update, you may hear Kipchoge pronounce his own first and last names here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc00mDtzIJU&t=935s#t=0m43.5s and there is a wikipedia article on the surname that does not include pronunciation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchoge G1729 (talk) 07:03, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

It's pronounced keep-choh-gay. 114.134.3.154 (talk) 02:00, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Isn't that contradicted by the Youtube clip above? He pronounces his surname as Kip-Choge (only two syllables).

The video mentioned above is a little odd in this respect as elsewhere even Eliud himself clearly pronounces Kipchoge with three syllables. See, for example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAE5ZNDf7P8. Ejdguiseley (talk) 10:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Kipchoge Keino

Any relation? 2001:56A:F414:D300:C9AE:698D:2596:AE1 (talk) 05:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC).

My understanding is that the surname Kipchoge is Kalenjin and this is the tribe from which most elite Kenyan runners hail (4.9 million people or 12% of population but more than 75% of Kenya's top runners according to the book The Sports Gene at p. 190), but beyond a broad tribal connection, the name does not necessarily indicate a genetic relationship, and I've not seen any evidence that there's a relationship in this case. In any case, my understanding is Eliud Kipchoge was raised by a single mother (he regards that as a hardship but not one to complain about). My understanding, which may be incorrect, is that Kalenjin surnames can merely indicate the circumstances of birth (rather than paternity as in an English naming system). For information on both Kipchoge's tribe's now legendary running ability, see the aforementioned book, chapter 12 "Can Every Kalenjin Run?". Here's a link to citations for that chapter. G1729 (talk) 21:47, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Not related other than being from the same ethnic community. 114.134.3.154 (talk) 02:02, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

What does "PB" stand for?

As I couldn't find any legend for the terminology used in the tables, I am curious what PB means. I'm talking about this:

2016 London Marathon 1st 2:03:05 (PB)

198.39.100.21 (talk) 13:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Have you been wondering for a whole year?

I think it probably means 'Personal Best'?

--195.137.93.171 (talk) 22:19, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

"Personal Best". You could perhaps add a link to Personal record for others unfamiliar with the term. Khromegnome (talk) 15:01, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Kipchoge hm split time Berlin marathon 2017

In my pov, the hm split time should be mentioned (my proposition) and I'd like to explain why. I am happy for comments for or against the proposition.

His hm time was 61:29 minutes.

times 2 is > 2:02:58 hours

1 second more than the current wr.

It shows:

Even in this harsh rainy conditions, in the beginning, he gave it a try to set to a wr pace. If he makes such a time in wet conditions, what would he do in good condition?

It is much more important to include this split than all the split times for his Monza sub 2 experiment. This Monza show was not a marathon. I am glad he failed the sub 2 because if he would achieve this, stupid people would say, he ran a marathon in less than 2 hours. I don't wanna diminish Eliud Kipchoge, I just wanna emphasize the low importance of his Monza stunt. Don't get me wrong, he is the best marathon runner right now, even without a WR (my pov). Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 20:12, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

berlin 2018 record

Berlin 2018

see: c:Category:Berlin Marathon 2018 --C.Suthorn (talk) 17:49, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Kipchoge ran his record breaking marathon in Berlin 2018 in a time of 2 hours 1 minute and 39 seconds (2.01.41) Sean Pol Gartland (talk) 21:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Request for a semi-protected page because of ongoing vandalism

Reason: Ongoing vandalism. The article's subject has been in the news lately a lot because of his impressive Marathon World record on Sunday. I suggest a duration for the protection status for 1 week. I am one of the main contributors to the article, the page edit statistics shows I am second in authorship for the article. Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 12:49, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:32, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Source dispute between Chrissymad and Da Vinci Nanjing

Dear Dear User:Chrissymad,

http://dailyactive.info/index.php/2018/09/17/eliud-kichoge-sends-message-of-gratitude-to-his-family/ doesn't look like a realiable source for Wikpedia.

The other one > http://nairobiwire.com/our-team got an editorial staff, in my pov it looks better. Do you agree?

Regards, 18:36, 18 September 2018 (UTC)Da Vinci Nanjing (talk)

How is dailyactive.info a reliable source? What evidence is there? Nairobiwire literally states that it is a blog. In any case, even so, if we were to say that blog is RS (which i disagree,) if that's the only place such personal details are sourced, it does not belong in the article.CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:39, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Dispute as 28:11 as Kipchoge's pb for 10 km road race

Dear User:Tomruen,

Times from Kipchoge's IAAF Profile as follows:

Personal Bests

Discipline	Perforance	Place	Date
10 kilometers	28:11	Utrecht (NED)	27 Sep 2009
10 kilometers	26:54	Madrid (ESP)	31 Dec 2006

The rules for record eligibility you'll can find here: [2]

Another source for his 26:54 win: [3]

A list of times for regular (Top of the webpage) and downhill courses: [4]

Are you Ok with putting back his 10k pb time as 28:11 into the article?

Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 20:23, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

So you're saying a personal best requires it to qualify for a world record eligibility? Tom Ruen (talk) 22:13, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Dear User:Tomruen,
in a nutshell Yes. I guess I know what you are trying to say.

My pov is:
Kipchoge's Madrid time is his fastest time for the distance, but it is not eligible for any "higher purpose" > eligibility to be his personal best.

Your pov is:
It doesn't matter, it is eligible to be his pb.

If we would allow this fastest time to be his pb, we will get into trouble. If you wanna compare someone's pb with someone else pb, they should fit into the same category.
Let's say Kenenisa Bekele's pb for a 10 k road race is 27:49 and it was achieved on a record eligible course and we assume that this is his (Bekele's) pb. If you compare this time to Kipchoge's 10 k time from the Madrid course that doesn't hold up to the criteria for record eligibility, you'll try to compare chalk with cheese.

I suggest his Madrid time (specifically his win against the "hm Big Boss" Tadese) is worth mentioning (it is already mentioned in the main part of the article, look out for the 2006 timeframe) but it shouldn't make it into the pb table.

Are you Ok with this?

Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 14:06, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

No I don't think so. If either PB is included, both should be included (just like IAAF does), the faster one with a note of the special conditions (downhill) as you have shown. Tom Ruen (talk) 14:43, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

List of Kipchoge wins

Dear User:Sillyfolkboy,

on 22 Sep, 2018, you included a list of Eliud Kipchog's wins into the article.

This one: Eliud_Kipchoge#Circuit_wins

I couldn't find a reliable source for your contribution, I didn't found a source at all within the article for the changes you made.

Pls prove me wrong.

Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 17:52, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

@Da Vinci Nanjing: Both the IAAF [5] and ARRS [6] now publish full lists of results. I added all Kipchoge's wins at notable level (e.g. excluding local cross country meets and low level track/road races). Lots of good sourcing available at the moment for long-distance runners if you're interested in expanding other articles! SFB 23:55, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Remove or explain both detail on Berlin WR race conditions and remove note that WR's are often set in Berlin?

Seems (1) the info that marathon WR's have lately been set in the Berlin Marathon belongs on that marathon's page, but not in Kipchoge's article, and (2) a lay reader of an encyclopedia article will not understand the significance of the the Berlin race conditions without further explanation. (My understanding is that race conditions were decent but not ideal; decent b/c no rain, but had the temperature been lower, it might've enhanced performance.) G1729 (talk) 06:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Dear User:G1729,

you got some very interesting thoughts, because I was the one, who included the content you referred too.

I would be pleased if you check out the following article for it s notability, my reasoning you'll find here: Talk:Phonex_Kipruto

For me this guy is an heir apparent to Kipchoge. It would be a kind of two man rule, if you back my claims.

Now let's get back to your input. You pointed out something very interesting:
"... (My understanding is that race conditions were decent but not ideal; decent b/c no rain, but had the temperature been lower, it might've enhanced performance.) ..."
The same came to my mind the day before yesterday and I try to explain why: I quote from the Berlin Marathon Wikipedia article:
"... Amos Kipruto was next across the finish in 2:06:23, the difference (284 seconds) the largest behind a new world record since the August 1958 ..."
I assume there are 2 possibilites why the runner up was so far behind Kipchoge:
1. Amos Kipruto and Wilson Kipsang try ed to stick to the Kipchoge and his pacemakers group in the first part of the marathon. Both Kipchoge and Kipsan got their own pacemakers, as far as I understand it was limited to 3 for each of them. In the second half, both (Kipruto and Kipsang) realized or their body s realized, now you have to pay the price for beginning too fast.

Kipruto hm split time 1:02:07 > theoretically this is a finish time of 2:04:24, in reality > finish time 02:06:23
Kipsang hm split time 1:02:07 > theoretically this is a finish time of 2:04:24, in reality > finish time 02:06:48
Source: [7]

Kipruto and Kipsanang got into a positive split marathon strategy, usually the worst of all three strategies. It shows both were involuntary forced to do this, because they both had a kind of illusion they can keep up with someone who is far far far superior to them.

2. It was too hot.

If 2. is true, it looks real to me, Kipchoge can pull of something like this again, maybe with a few seconds improvement. He got one chance left. As the Berlin course is suitable for attacking the wr, it is highly likely next years Berlin Marathon will be his last, as in 2020, the Olympic Marathon is sometime between 24 July to 9 August 2020 (usually the last day). He can't perform at his highest level if he got 2 marathons in a 7-8 weeks time frame.

(1) I disagree, if we have a proper source that the last 6 wr s before were set in Berlin. It gives the readers a deeper understanding on the article's subject or what marathon is about, because the articles subject profession is to be a long distance runner.

(2) I agree a reader can't process how this weather conditions relate to fast times. But if we got a source that try es to explain what this kind of race conditions mean in terms of fast times, it's is Ok to keep it in the article.

I would like this Wikipedia article as good as possible, don't be intimated because I wrote a lot here. Carefully consider if it makes sense what I try to explain, if I am wrong, pls write here why.

Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 19:24, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Dear Da Vinci Nanjing thanks for the thoughtful response. Surely there must be an article on this WR attempt that mentions the temperature and how Kipchoge may've run a faster time with lower temperatures. I'd invite you and anyone out there to search. The closest thing I've got, is that the "they-could've-been-faster-but-for-high-temperature" point made re Breaking2 in this Wired magazine video ("about the only thing Monza didn't have going for it was weather...") even though the temperatures were more I think more favorable at Breaking2 than in Berlin. I'd prefer to see the point made re this particular race from a secondary source before bringing it up.

I guess we'll agree to disagree re point (1) and see what if anything others think. I will not disturb that content in the meantime. I just feel like they could get the understanding about the Berlin race from the race's wikipedia page, which is already linked; it doesn't seem to say anything unique/notable to me about Kipchoge's highly notable race.

Thanks again for your reply and thanks for the work on the article. G1729 (talk) 21:09, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Dear G1729,

the discussion or disagreement with you improved my understanding of what Original Research is. A few days ago I thought, OR is content that seems to be make sense but is not sourced or where very likely exists no source in the real world to support these claims. OR is much more (my understanding now a few days later), it is also to come to conclusions if you use 1 or more sources (and draw from both of them) and further conclude, you kind of drift away to "interesting statements" but not properly sourced.

Thank you.

Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 20:13, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Geographic coordinates for picture showing Kipchoge druing the 2018 Berlin Marathon seems to be invalid

Dear C.Suthorn,

thx a lot for taking this picture of Kipchoge's "like a boss" performance.

I checked the geographic coordinates for the picture you provided, these seems to be invalid. It's a location north of Berlin about 25,6 km on a straight line to Brandenburg Gate.

Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 13:19, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I looked up the coordinates with osm.org, then copied the numbers to the UploadWizard. After looking into the issue, I assume that the mismatch may be caused by german and english using commas and dots for opposite meanings and the UploadWizard misinterpreting data if both are present in the input field. For some time I have difficulties using the UW at all (Phab-Task unresolved) and other people experience difficulties too (which might be resolved). I have decided to use other upload options in future and given up on the UW. The correct coords for my Berlin Marathon files should be 52.52249, 13.36721 (Street address "Alt-Moabit"/"Katharina-Paulus-Straße", "John-F.-Kennedy-Haus"/"Bertha Berlin", south-west of central station (Berlin-Hauptbahnhof)). --C.Suthorn (talk) 17:13, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Dear C.Suthorn,

thx for your reply. The information you'll further provide, will make it into the article and/or the picture description within the article. If somone (e.g. you) say, it shows the lead group passing by Central station, what does passing by mean? Does it mean it's the runners closest approach to the station? Kipchoge could also passed by the station e.g. 5 km away from the station. I'don't know the course in detail. Furthermore is the picture taken right or after he crossed the Spree river (if he crossed the river at all)? Maybe I'll be in Berlin next year as a spectator, but Kipchoge very likely won't, because he wants to do the IAAF WC in Doha in October.

I am really getting into the details with this article, because I'll try to improve the article, so it won't be a C-class article anymore.

Regards,</ref> Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 09:16, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

You might want to look at https://www.bmw-berlin-marathon.com/en/race-day/course.html -> course: The picture was taken between the marked positions 6 and 7 on the map. Seconds after the picture was taken he crossed the Spree for the second time, passing this drummers on the bridge. The picture was taken here: . It is actually a cropped screenshot of a fish eye video. I can upload the complete screen shot, if you would like to de-fish-eye it. --C.Suthorn (talk) 09:48, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Dear C.Suthorn,

I already used to your information to change the picture description to:

Eliud Kipchoge (left) and his three pacemakers (right) about 30 minutes into the run, during the Marathon world record in the 2018 Berlin Marathon. He is shown a few seconds before crossing the river Spree.

Pls tell me, if this passing by the station was his closest approach to the station?

It looks difficult to me, to de fish a picture. It seems like, there is no online tool available for this.

https://www.lonelyspeck.com/defish/
This webpage explains, it could be done e.g. in Adobe Photoshop or Adobe LIghtroom. Could you please do it for me, with just the picture in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliud_Kipchoge

Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 13:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

To me it looks so. See https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=berlin%20hauptbahnhof#map=16/52.5249/13.3697 . I do not use the Adobe products, but there is Commons:Graphic Lab, may be you will find answers there. --C.Suthorn (talk) 13:41, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Dear C.Suthorn,

it looks like in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Graphic_Lab/Photography_workshop someone can post a request for a commons picture to be changed/adjusted.

I would like to give it a try, to de fish the picture you placed into commons. I am quite aware where the cons are to de fish the picture. Maybe afterwards, the pacemakers in the picture aren't visible anymore. The original picture size is

Original file ‎(1,275 × 1,083 pixels, file size: 410 KB, MIME type: image/jpeg); Is there no file of the picture in a higher resolution available?

Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 15:27, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

You can try this file: . --C.Suthorn (talk) 17:23, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Reverted additions to the Berlin Marathon Wikipedia article / "...the largest behind a new world record since the August 1958 European Championships..."

Dear Martypost,

I took a look at the additions you made to the Berlin Marathon article on 21 Sep, 2018. Your additions were reverted by Nalana4
"...overly informal and specific. This sort of info would be best left on 2018 marathon page. Language such as "epic" is out of place...."
Nalana4 did a good job, but I wouldn't neccearly say, it was too specific, because most of the time, to be specicfic is what Wikipedia is really about. First of all, everthing added to an article needs to be properly sourced.

This part sounds interesting to me: "..." the largest behind a new world record since the August 1958 European Championships with a gold medal time of 2:15:17.6 followed by the silver medalist in 2:20:50.6 ..." Could you please tell me, where you got this kind of information? Could you please provide a proper source?

Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 16:41, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Template: Marathon"Breaking2Nike"2:25 deletion

The red template indicated above at top of article, should be deleted. Don't know what this is.2601:581:8000:21B0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 (talk) 11:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

• Done. ComplexParadigm • Talk 15:25, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Validity of date of birth

It's widely believed that Kipchoge is actually several years older than his claimed age. This BBC story for example https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/48055305 for anyone who wants an official source. I think his date of birth should be marked as disputed.TheMathemagician (talk) 23:00, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I would add that the Kenyan School system requires to be at least 6 years old to start and has a duration of 12 years , so if we take in consideration that he finished High School in 1999 (Age 18), he must have being born in 1980. He met his trainer 2 years later, so he was at least 19 in 2001 (and not 16). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leyton99 (talk • contribs) 03:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

How about putting the sub 2 into the Marathons table?

For me the Monza sub 2 was a stupid experiment because it is not eligible for record purposes. If you run sub 2 in a normal marathon, that's impressive. If you use switching pacers, that's lame. But! How do you define a marathon? A Marathon is a race. A race has to have a winner. If there are at least 2 runners competing, than a winner will emerge. This means the sub 2 Monza run was a Marathon. See also Mutai in the Boston 2011 Marathon, when he ran a world best. It is included in his articles table.

Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 16:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it is the switching rested pacers which makes it invalid for record purposes. It's the same reason women can't draft off faster men to set an (unqualified) woman's record. But if you want to know what is possible under idealized conditions, experiments are always useful. And actually Monza wasn't ideal on temperatures anyway. Records are funny to begin with, since a race is most of all about winning, so individual strategies exist besides the fastest sustainable pace. Tom Ruen (talk) 18:14, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Tomruen, women who rely on male pacers are loosers, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Jepkosgei_Keitany is the wr holder for women, not this blond haired women. I guess the temperature was Ok, but it was started to early, at around 9-11 am you get the most out of you during the day > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Physiologische_Arbeitskurve2.png Furthermore maybe a negative split strategy will do the job better.

I try to reason, why the Monza sub 2 run belongs into the table of all of Kipchoge's marathons. He won against two other runners.

Regards, Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 07:48, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

It is really difficult, we can't change that he won 12 out of 13, to 13 out of 14, because there is likely no source for that.

Chicago Marathon: Event rules

• No participant, after leaving the course, will be allowed to rejoin the race either for the purpose of gaining a place or to pace or to assist another participant.
• A participant who has received any assistance whatsoever from any other person may be disqualified from the event. “Assistance” includes, without limitation, the conveying of advice, information or direct or indirect help to an athlete by any means, including technical communication devices. It also includes pacing by persons not officially participating in the event.

Vienna not a new world record

Numerous edits today have claimed that the 1:59:40 was a new world record. It isn't because today's event does not satisfy the conditions for a world record. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:36, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Such a ruddy shame really. Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:02, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Still pretty bloody impressive, though! Robofish (talk) 10:00, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

This should not be locked. David is correct, it is a great achievement but does not count as a record because it wasn't an open event, https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/12/eliud-kipchoge-breaks-two-hour-marathon-record/ , this should be mentioned in the article. Seven Pandas (talk) 12:47, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

It IS mentioned in the article. Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliud_Kipchoge#2019. And the article is locked because of numerous anonymous editors coming by and dropping in notes that aren't actually correct. So yes, it should absolutely be locked, and I'm glad it is. JimKaatFan (talk) 14:18, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2019

In the sidebar, please change "Mtwara, Tandahimba District, Tanzania" to "Kapsisiywa, Nandi Distric, Kenya"

Also in the sidebar, please change Country from "Tanzania" to "Kenya" Mhfaust (talk) 17:39, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

@Mhfaust: Vandalism an hour or so has now been reverted. Thanks for letting us know. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:26, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Change structure of article

I would suggest to include the paragraphs regarding the Olympic Games and World Championships into the chronological order. Please consider that the sentences refering to the World Cross Country Championships in the 2002 - 2004 section, are also World Championships results.

--Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 10:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Vienna was not a marathon

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Yes, Kipchoge ran sub-2-hours over 26.2 miles (or 42.2 km, if you prefer). Yes, this was an amazing achievement. No, this was not during a marathon. Yet a bunch of people have come to the article since the event and felt the need to add "marathon this" or "marathon that" to the 1:59:40 time. We explain in the article that Kipchoge has run in 13 marathons. There's a reason the article does not include the Breaking2 event, and doesn't include his training runs, and yes, doesn't include the Vienna event. Please leave that event as is. JimKaatFan (talk) 22:15, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

User:JimKaatFan is right, it was a run over the marathon distance, but it wasn't a marathon. Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 12:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Olympic gold medal more notable than world record?

Dear User:JimKaatFan,

for me notability means something like importance.

The Wikipedia article from Kim Kardashian got 33 million pageviews in the last 4 years. The article from Albert Einstein got 32 million pageviews in the last 4 years. This means her article drew more attention than his. Does that mean she is more important than Albert Einstein?

Regards, Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 12:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

It's an irrelevant question to this matter, but actually, in terms of Wikipedia notability, you could make that argument that the Kardashian article is, in fact, more important to Wikipedia than the Einstein article. That doesn't mean Kardashian is more important than Einstein, though. That's purely a matter of opinion.

Your argument about the Olympic medal is flawed on another level, though - you say the record could have been run against anyone, while the Olympic gold has to be won against the best in the world. This is true in many sports, but not in marathon running (or golf). Marathon elite runners frequently skip the Olympics because of the nature of the sport and the long training periods it requires - you can only run your best marathon twice a year or so, and at most, 3 times. Many of the elites choose to focus on one or two of the majors, be it London, New York, Berlin, etc. The quality of competition at those majors is absolutely as tough as it is at the Olympic marathon run, if not better. So in the case of marathon running, a Olympic gold is not the same level as an Olympic gold in the 100m dash or gymnastics all-around. It's more like the Olympic golds in tennis or golf, which, if you happen to research, most of the pros regard as a lesser achievement than winning a major. JimKaatFan (talk) 14:55, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Dear User:JimKaatFan,

I respectfully disagree with your analysis the Olympic Marathon gold medal isn't a higly prestigious win. It's the most prestigious marathon an athlete can win and I will explain why:

In the 2008 Olympic Marathon Haile Grebreselassie originally planned to participate, but withdrew and switched to the 10000m instead because of air pollution concerns. Back than he was the current world record holder and is widely regarded as the best distance runner of all time. In general am not saying the world record holder in the marathon is a sucker, I am just saying, the world record holder didn't proved he beat the best.
In the 2016 Olympic Marathon Kenenisa Bekele was devastated because prior to the Olympics he was left out of the Ethopian squad.
In the 2012 Olympic Marathon, both Kenya and Ethopia send their very best with Wilson Kipsang, Kiprotich Abel Kirui and Emmanuel Kipchirchir Mutai. Ethopia with Getu Feleke, Dino Sefir and Ayele Abshero. Look what these athletes accomplished prior to the Olympics, lets say in the 1-2 years before the 2012 Olympics.
The same applies to the 2016 Olympic men's marathon. Ethopia sent Feyisa Lilesa, Lemi Berhanu and Tesfaye Abera. Kenya sent Wesley Korir, Stanley Kipleting Biwott + Eliud Kipchoge. Prior to the Olympics he won 6 out of 7 highly prestigious marathons, 5 of them World Mayor Marathons. I guess you got confused with the title of World Champion in Marathon. This title doesn't bring a lot of prestige.

Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 17:10, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I didn't say it wasn't highly prestigious. I said it is often skipped by top marathoners in favor of the majors, like Berlin, London, New York, etc. I also didn't say that NO top marathoners compete in the Olympics. Obviously some of them do. But not all of them at any given Olympics. JimKaatFan (talk) 17:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

just to expand on this a bit: here's a list of the IAAF's current top ranked marathoners. Kipchoge is #1. Take a look at the names from #2 to #17. Do you know what they have in common? None of them ran in the 2016 Rio Olympics. Not one. The current #18, Galen Rupp, came in third in Rio. So please, explain to me again how "the best in the world" ran in Rio. JimKaatFan (talk) 20:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Dear Dear User:JimKaatFan, my list of names for the marathon runners (as I wrote a few lines above on 30 Oct) + the explanation I wrote for the 2012 + 2016 Olympics clearly shows, the Olympic Games always attract the top of the best runners. The only reason a top runner won't participate is he/she wasn't chosen by their national olympic committee (that's what Bekele experienced in 2016) as every country sends 3 runners at most. Furthermore I guess you would agree that it's worth mentioning his Olympic win in the lead section, because a lot of his "minor" achievements are mentioned like the second best half marathon debut or a bronze medal at the world championships. I didn't check the list you refered to, I don't doubt your statement.

Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 18:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

"the Olympic Games always attract the top of the best runners."

"The only reason a top runner won't participate is he/she wasn't chosen by their national olympic committee as every country sends 3 runners at most."

These two sentences contradict each other and you wrote them back-to-back. JimKaatFan (talk) 16:27, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Dear User:JimKaatFan, These two sentences don't contradict each other:

Let's have a look at the fastest times for men. In the Top 6 are 7 runners, because two of them share the same time. 4 of them are from Kenya and 3 are from Ethopia. Let's assume the top 3 Kenyan runners are choosen by their noc to go to the Olympic Games. The one runner left out, would you say because he wasn't seletect, he isn't a top runner? I would say the fourth one is also a top runner.
I would like to reinstate my changes, everything is properly sourced. Are you Ok with that? Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

No, I am not. Your changes, outside of the Olympic change, were just redundant - everything you added was already on the page. The Olympic marathon change you want is just your opinion and no one else shares that opinion, and added to that, your opinion is based on flat-out nonsense. So no, I am not OK with your proposed changes. Please check your talk page for more on this. JimKaatFan (talk) 08:11, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Eliud Kipchoge ROTICH

I notice that on the olympic website, his name is listed as "Eliud Kipchoge ROTICH" (their capitalization). Where does the extra name come from? My casual googling doesn't produce any answers. Khromegnome (talk) 14:59, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Rotich appears to be his mother's last name (maiden name?). Beyond that, I can't explain, since I know nothing about Kenyan naming conventions. JimKaatFan (talk) 02:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

References

Personal bests

I've noticed that his personal bests aren't listed beside the marathon? Is there a reason for this? They aren't hard to find, they are on his IAAF profile. I don't usually edit running pages however, so i am asking here first. CBatteries (talk) 15:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

References

Number of marathons won

The first paragraph states that "Kipchoge has won 12 of the 13 marathons he has entered". However the list of marathons only shows 11 wins in 12 marathons. The Breaking2 and INEOS 1:59 Challenge are obviously excluded from the results. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aristodemos2008 (talk • contribs) 12:35, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

World Marathon Majors results timeline cleanup

Hello an good day. Today I added his 2020 London Marathon performance to above section of article. Can someone just straighten it out. I cant figure out how to correct it so table is straight on right side. Sure it is minor correction. Thank you.2601:581:8402:1EE0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 (talk) 12:36, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Please disregard this request. Was corrected today.2601:581:8402:1EE0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 (talk) 14:27, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

The importance of catholicism in his life

I read somewhere that he is a devout catholic. I really don't know how serious he is about his faith, but it's definitely an important part of his life. He always makes the sign of the cross after finishing a race. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.132.105.228 (talk) 17:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Lede summary - Tokyo Olympics

His Tokyo marathon gold is mentioned in the lede. However, I'm not sure why that is any more notable than Rio. I suggest removing the mention of Tokyo from the intro summary, or alternately, mentioning Rio also. -KaJunl (talk) 00:19, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Fastest Times

" and does not own four out of the five fastest marathon times in history."

If this is an accurate statement, why is it included? that's rather broad and odd... I mean I dont own four out of the five fastest times either! — Sarge (talk) 18:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Best sportsman in history

@GoPats: I removed this, which I think is WP:UNDUE in the lead in WP:WIKIVOICE. Please provide a number of sources that confirm this statement, I only see one source. Otherwise, it needs to be removed. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 22:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

The sentence (which I didn't write BTW), states that "He is widely regarded as the greatest marathon runner and one of the best sportsmen in history." It's not stating definitively that he is one of the best sportsmen in history, but rather that's a widely regard opinion. There's multiple other sources for this, including:

• https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/08/sport/eliud-kipchoge-olympic-marathon-spt-intl/index.html
• https://www.insidehook.com/article/sports/kipchoge-long-distance-best-ever
• https://wwos.nine.com.au/olympics/tokyo-olympics-2021-eliud-kipchoge-greatest-athlete-ever-performance-coach-says/28a336f1-a5e9-4539-bf5e-13534f2f0251
• https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/article-eliud-kipchoges-marathon-time-may-qualify-him-as-the-greatest-athlete/
• https://www.givemesport.com/1512847-eliud-kipchoge-is-one-of-sports-greatest-ever-after-15940-marathon-in-vienna

GoPats (talk) 10:54, 29 September 2022 (UTC)