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Sources for future use

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Attribution

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Some entries that mention being cancelled on another platform may have originated from that platform's respective cancelled video games entry, and copied there. Probably not an attribution issue because I probably wrote the entirety of the entry there too, but just for completeness sake. Sergecross73 msg me 18:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Categorized but not listed.

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This is a list of remaining games listed in the Cancelled N64/64DD Games categories but not on this page; each of these will need to be checked to confirm their accuracy or find sources to verify them, at which point they should be added to the list; if no source can be found, they should be removed from the category That part's done. I've also included a few edge cases that aren't clear in whether they should be included or not.

Any assistance verifying the games listed above would be much appreciated. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 18:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tracked down a source confirming  Done ToeJam & Earl III: Mission to Earth was considered for N64. The "25 games" article from TheGamer also claims  Done Gradius IV was planned at one point, but I haven't found any others. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 19:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Organized the list based on progress made. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 20:07, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, we actually made a lot of progress pretty quickly here. Makes writing the entries easier when you've already got this stuff lined up. I probably won't have any more time today, but I'll try to start writing up some entries tomorrow. Sergecross73 msg me 20:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to have helped. I couldn't find any sources for those last handful of games, so I took them off the list and removed them from the categories; they should be in sync with the article now. I'll let you make the final call on whether the edge cases above qualify. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 19:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nintendo64Ever

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Found a few more games by checking Nintendo64Ever, which is itself an unreliable source, but does feature several scans of contemporary magazines that were doing previews at the time and would count. An issue of Next Generation also features several previews for upcoming games, including some of the ones below.

If nothing else, it's more leads to go on. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 01:51, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. I'd been working on removing them as a source, but I hadn't noticed their scans previously. That could be helpful. Sergecross73 msg me 17:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More progress steadily being made, along with adding a TOC to keep things organized. We've covered every game in that "25 Games" article from The Gamer as well, so we don't need to rely on that anymore. There's around 30-35 games left, so the article should hopefully be in mostly compete shape soon. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 17:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you again for your assistance on this. Its looking great. I'm planning on bouncing back to it here and there over time. (Side note: It's funny, I just fell down a rabbit hole reading about how Die Hard 64 turned into Die Hard Vengeance and came to see you had already added the same thing. We're on the same wavelength!) Sergecross73 msg me 16:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ha ha, thanks; funny how that works out. It's nice to see the list getting meaningfully filled out. Once the remaining games from the Nintendo64Ever list above have been added, I might do a sweep of Unseen64's list to see what we don't have in the article already and try to find any reliable sources that mention them. Probably won't be able to find anything for most of them, but I figure it's worth a shot. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 16:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lots of progress made today. We're down to 10 remaining games from the Nintendo 64Ever list; I imagine one of us could probably bang some write-ups out for those over the next week or two. The one real "white whale" left across all these lists is X'Treme Roller. It feels weird not to list a game that has a playable prototype out in the wild, but I can't even find any reviews or articles for the version that did release on PlayStation, let alone the N64 version that didn't. Might be a lost cause. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 18:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And THAT is officially the end of the Nintendo64Ever list. Like I said before, I think there's room to revisit this by searching through Unseen64 to pull together a list of games we don't have logged and looking around to see if better sources can be found, but for right now, I'm absolutely calling this a win and content to take a well-earned break. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thank you, you've done amazing work. Its absolutely wild to see its current status to where it started the year at before we both started cleaning it up. It's come a long ways! Sergecross73 msg me 16:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No kidding; super happy with the state of things. I did take a quick look at that old revision to see if there was anything we missed, and did find reliable sources for the existence of  Done Centipede X,  Done Derby Day, Extreme Sports 64,  Done Ikazuchi no Go,  Done On & Off Racing,  Done Warball, and  Done Waterworks, along with the previously unmentioned  Done Chanbara Fighter. One of us can add those later. (I know DidYouKnowGaming also did a video on cancelled N64 games at one point, and while that's obviously not a usable source, it could at least be used to help inform what else to look for and where to look.) -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 17:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ended up adding all of the above, save for Extreme Sports since apparently the report that was coming to N64 was false. Unless someone goes combing through Unseen64 and DYKG to find every game we don't mention and check them all for sources, I think we're good. Heck, it might even be good enough for a Featured nom by now. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 20:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DidYouKnowGaming

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Okay, after combing through Part 1 and Part 2 of DYKG's "Every Cancelled N64 game" videos, and removing entries that we already have or that have no details whatsoever, I've compiled a list of every game mentioned there that we might be able to include if we can find better sources, along with what little information could be provided from unreliable sources.

Again, none of these are good enough on their own (with one or two specific exceptions), but it does at least give us some names to keep an eye out for. Thoughts on if any of these are worth pursuing or adding would be appreciated-- Cyberlink420 (talk) 18:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New DYKG video just dropped, this time focusing on cancelled 64DD games. Doing a quick scroll through, many of the games are already covered here, but there may be a handful that aren't, and DYKG have helpfully listed all their sources in the video description. Hopefully we can use this to expand our current list, as well as the list on the 64DD page itself. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 21:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, having watched through, we cover all of the games it lists so far, but a second part is forthcoming, which will allegedly include 10 games not currently on our list. Also, their research indicates that the Snatcher port might never have been real, as they couldn't find any sources beyond that one magazine; Emperor of the Jungle may have also been cartridge only. It also claims that Hybrid Heaven, Kirby 64 and Yoshi's Story, which are listed on the 64DD page, were apparently never actually planned for the console (EDIT: got a reply from DYKG about Kirby). Pinging User:Sergecross73 for thoughts on how to approach these. (To skip to the relevant points in the video, Snatcher and Hybrid Heaven are at 24:39, while Yoshi's Story and Kirby 64 are at 36:05.) -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 22:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can go either way on a lot of these. The whole reason I did't split out the 64DD games into their own list when I was cleaning this one up was because there seemed to be so much misinformation and uncertainty with a lot of games and whether they were coming to 64 or the 64DD. I'm also always a little concerned when there's only a single source that can corroborate a particular game, though that said, the Snatcher source is pretty direct, and part of a whole bigger story on the game, not a throw away passing mention or part of their "rumors" section or something. Sergecross73 msg me 16:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed that the Snatcher source is pretty direct, though the fact that it's the only one does have me questioning it, especially considering the apparent lack of any Japanese coverage. I know the magazine is listed as "Inconclusive" on VG/RS, so I think it might be prudent to comment Snatcher out for now until another reliable source can be found. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 17:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa, didn't know that. I thought we pretty much had all print mags of the past in the reliable section. Sergecross73 msg me 17:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, it's probably fine; I'm pretty sure the only reason it's there is because it only got discussed once almost a decade and a half ago, and didn't get much response. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 17:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True. Honestly, it looks more like it was 3-0 in favor of reliability, but I imagine whoever added it to the list was concerned that 2 of the 3 said very little beyond agreeing... Sergecross73 msg me 15:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Part 2 is up. Again, we have most of them, but appear to be missing Far East of Eden: Oriental Blue and a Tonic Trouble expansion. Apparently, DK64 was never planned for 64DD though (39:12), nor was there a third Pokemon game outside of Snap and the first two Stadiums (54:16). The full list is at 1:13:11; the video description has a bunch of raw URLs with their sources, so I'll skim through those later to find the ones we need for citation. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 03:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "64DD Lineup Exposed". IGN. August 27, 1999. Archived from the original on July 21, 2021. Retrieved March 12, 2024.
  2. ^ "IGN64's Ultimate 64DD FAQ". IGN. December 16, 1999. Archived from the original on July 21, 2021. Retrieved April 23, 2024.
  3. ^ "Ultra Release List". N64 Magazine. No. 1. Future Publishing. April 1997. p. 23.

Mario Artist/"Maker" games

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Per a recent DYKG video, we may have misinterpreted some of our existing sources and the four other "Maker" titles are not tied to the Mario Artist series. I'm not going to make any changes right now, but I'd appreciate if someone else would watch the first five minutes of the video and give their opinion as to whether we should change how these four games (currently grouped together under "Mario Artist") are categorized. Perhaps change the listing to "Maker series" and say they are "creative tools in the vein of the Mario Artist series" rather than explicitly a part of it. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was this an entry you wrote/added? I'm struggling to recall what my pre-conceived notions even were on this one. All I recall was removing Mario Paint at one point, because that game did release. Sergecross73 msg me 15:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that was one of mine. Both the 64DD and Mario Artist articles list them as part of that series, and I've always heard them reported as such (DYKG even acknowledges that they've done the same in the past), so I didn't really question it at the time. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 16:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Double checking these IGN sources, they do seem to be separate. Sound Maker is consistently labeled as part of Mario Artist line while the other three are not, so DYKG does seem to be on the money here. I'll update accordingly. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 16:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Twelve Tales: Conker 64

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IP is blocked (again) and I doubt anyone who isn't them would ever continue this discussion further. Sergecross73 msg me 17:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Can someone add Twelve Tales: Conker 64 to this page? I'm disappointed that it is nowhere to find here. Remember to cite sources, or I will revert your edits if you don't do so. 100.16.196.59 (talk) 00:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Twelve Tales wouldn't be eligible for inclusion since it still released on the N64 as Bad Fur Day. It didn't get cancelled, just changed. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 01:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about Dream? A similar thing happened to it where it got canceled and reworked into the 2.5D platformer Kazoo and then Banjo-Kazooie and it ended up here, anyways! 100.16.196.59 (talk) 01:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conker just got reworked, not cancelled. Dream and BK are much farther removed from each other. They have completely different names, main characters, premise, genre, and platform, etc. Sergecross73 msg me 02:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, to me, it seems that TT and BFD are quite more removed from each other than the former being reworked into the later. 100.16.196.59 (talk) 14:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not removed enough for it to make an appreciable difference in the context of this article. Please let it go and move on. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both versions of Conker retain the same character, series, genre, and platform. They simply reworked the game to be raunchier because the market was saturated with innocent platformers at the time. We've got to draw the line somewhere or we're going to be out here documenting "cancelled versions of Sonic Adventure for the Dreamcast" because early versions contained levels and graphics not found in the finished game. Sergecross73 msg me 15:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But we placed the original imagination of Sonic Adventure for the Sega Saturn on the List of cancelled Sega Saturn games! So why not put BFD's beta imagination on the cancelled N64 game list? 100.16.196.59 (talk) 16:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Uh....because Sonic Adventure never released for the Saturn, but Conker did release for N64...? Sergecross73 msg me 16:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose and scope of this article. Even Rare says in their own behind-the-scenes footage that Bad Fur Day is built on and changed from Twelve Tales, never that Twelve Tales was cancelled. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 16:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, TT is often placed on a list of cancelled N64 video games, and we can't say they are wrong because they are trying to always be true, especially the major video game-focused websites! 100.16.196.59 (talk) 16:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, to be rather blunt, your edit history indicates you have a bad habit of editing articles based on how you perceive things rather than what provided on the page, not providing sources to back up your claims, and pushing back when people disagree with you. This kind of behavior has already gotten you blocked from editing multiple times, so I say this with all sincerity: please stop digging your heels in and take a step back to cool off. There is nothing to be gained from continuing to be argumentative without a real leg to stand on, especially with two people who have been editing for much longer than yourself, one of whom is an administrator. Better to think about why other people are disagreeing with you and adjust your editing to take this into account rather than just staunchly insist that everyone else is wrong. Never mind. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 17:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(You're not wrong...Sergecross73 msg me 17:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
You need to provide evidence when you make claims like this? What websites/articles are saying this? When writing the article, I recall seeing it on a Gamerant listicle, but those sorts of sources are considered iffy and not generally an authority on things if they're the only source stating it. We try to avoid using them when possible. Which sources are you referring to? Sergecross73 msg me 17:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RC Pro Am 64

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I think its fair game for inclusion. It wasn't just a small reworking, they switched entire franchises. Donkey Kong had no attachment to it, nor was there any flying or other elements... Sergecross73 msg me 17:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There were by the time it was cancelled. You can see this early title screen that clearly has Timber in a plane. Based on that article FROM Kevin Bayliss himself, most of the framework was already in place, and Diddy was a late-stage addition for marketing reasons. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 17:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw it more as "a Pro Am entry for as worked on, but not released, for the N64". I would have had it in if I was still working solo. I don't want to sink time into arguing right now, so I won't push further for now (though I won't enforce its exclusion either if others push for inclusion...) Sergecross73 msg me 21:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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