Talk:Pen-y-graig, Carmarthenshire

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On 23 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Pen-y-graig to Pen-y-graig, Carmarthenshire. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 23 May 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. It was found that the Carmarthenshire place definitely shouldn't be at the base name due to the lack of evidence that it is the primary topic. A disambiguation page at the base name may be helpful. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:45, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pen-y-graig → Pen-y-graig, Carmarthenshire – I don't think the hamlet in Carmarthenshire is the primary topic for "Pen-y-graig" when there is a much larger settlement at Penygraig in Rhondda Cynon Taf which is cy:Pen-y-graig in Welsh. In English its community (municipality) is named "Pen-y-graig". There is also a settlement in Gwynedd and a number of other places called "Pen-y-graig"[1] (click "Try a wider place search") though none other than the Gwynedd one are OS settlements and thus probably don't need articles however this title should probably be a DAB between the Carmarthenshire, Gwynedd and Rhondda Cynon Taf ones. The Rhondda Cynon Taf one has 115 views compared with only 21[[2]] for the Carmarthenshire one and the Rhondda Cynon Taf one's community has a population of 5,554 while the Carmarthenshire one probably has a population of less than 100. Google returns a maps of the community as the 1st result. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:57, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support your argument is reasonable. Eopsid (talk) 14:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the electoral ward for the Rhondda Cynon Taf settlement is also hyphenated, Pen-y-graig (electoral ward)[3] (redirects to Penygraig#Governance). So there is some use of the hyphenated form in RCT, may be enough to be the primary topic (well as a redirect to Penygraig), but so far not sure. Sources for this Llanelli settlement are scarce, the only modern sources I can find, like this one (sad topic), use the unhyphenated form as part of an address, as does the "Penygraig road" where the article's coords point to, so potentially should it be Penygraig, Carmarthenshire? However the hyphenated form can be found in this old OS map from 1913, the last map on the NLS website with the settlement labelled in the bottom right, but later OS maps on the website do not label Pen-y-graig at all (at least from what I can find), but curiously neither does Google, OS or OSM from the coords as of 29 May. Can't find the settlement of this article in the geograph search in the proposal or in this one, so is this article even notable enough? – DankJae (talk) 01:21, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, it doesn't even seem like the 1913 map shows it as a settlement rather just as a feature so it could just be a single house. Google for Pen-y-graig, Carmarthenshire returns a number of results including the Pen-y-graig-goch article, Pen-y-graig, Llanelli points to Penygraig Road but indeed I can't really find any good sources and searching Books is difficult due to the other one so yes I'd agree this probably isn't notable and should be deleted. While its controversial of all OS settlements are notable or not its probably reasonable to assert that "places" that are below OS settlements aren't without good sources. There is an older article that was merged here at Penygraig (Llanelli) that links to a community garden but the link is dead. When I originally started this RM I though this was the Gwynedd one! until I looked closer. I guess we could redirect to the RCT one as primary but at least the Carmarthenshire one isn't primary. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:16, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I withdraw my suggestion this redirects to RCT. Just found Pen-y-cae, Pen-y-fai and Pen-y-lan all use hyphens being DAB pages, might as well be consistent. Therefore support this title becoming a DAB page. – DankJae (talk) 16:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.