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Sources? --Masssiveego 06:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quemoy isn't part of Taiwan. — Insta ntnood 15:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwanese women in Japan

I have mothballed this section as not being germane to the topic, and being unverifiable even if mentioned on some websites such as CATW, and potentially misleading. Mgoodyear (talk) 20:11, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwanese prostitutes in Japan

Women from Taiwan have also been known to be sold to the Yakuza in Japan by foreign organized criminals. The Government estimates there are 30,000 Taiwanese women working as prostitutes in Japan (more than 10,000 arriving annually).^[1]

References

^ "'대만여성 3만명 일본에서 성매매'" (in Korean). News.

Legality in Taiwan

The law in TW states that prostitution is legal there in certain designated places only. However, there is no such place nor will be any in the future. Thus,prostitution is ILLEGAL in TW as shown by the fact that some foreign women were arrested there for prostitution, not for working there illegally as in the case of Japan. Korea has de facto Nordic laws and TW will follow once the DPP wins the next elections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noob2013 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Sockpuppets

There have been several sockfarms, Samweithe4, Bablos939 and Chinese-proti editing prostitution related articles, deleting anything about Korean prostitution apparently out of nationalist reasons. These socks use the excuse that the edits they delete were added by socks, when they themselves are sockpuppets, so their edits can also be reverted per WP:BRV. Besides that, they also deleted Korean prostitution edits not made by sockpuppets and lied about the reasons for it. And even the edits they deleted that were written by socks were useful edits and there was nothing wrong with them, other than the editor who wrote them being blocked and they can be restored. I am going to restore and rewrite some of the edits they deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88thD (talk • contribs) 22:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the edit page history. A total of two Milktaco accounts have edited this page, Milktaco and Olafgurfson. I have checked the Milktaco sockpuppet case page, very few of his socks are focused around resurrecting prostitution edits, the majority of his prostitution edits were done on one account, Milktaco and Olafgurfson appears to be the only other account which edited these. You claimed "he repeatedly creates a new 'sock accounts' and resurrects that edit." on Korean prostitution for over a decade. On the contrary, its Bablos939 and Chinese-proti, whose language is identical to yours, who exclusively edit prostitution related articles for 15 years and created dozens of socks for the purpose of removing everything related to Korean prostitution. 88thD (talk) 08:38, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for writing something different from the socks.

I've said before that I'm not going to be involved in this anymore, but as the one who deleted that article, I want to discuss something.

First, I agree with your opinion. If the article is not to racistic, I'm in favor of restoring them If is not contributed by the socks. But in the case of 'socks contributions the reason why I deleted that edit which contributed by the sock is that..he repeatedly creates a new 'sock accounts' and resurrects that edit. And it's being restored with malice across over decade. Just restoring it is exactly what he wanted. That is why I am very skeptical of your will.

However, if you really want to do that instead of just restoring his contribution, I would like to propose you to make a huge difference from his contribution

I deleted the contribution of the socks and told you that I would no longer be involved in this matter. Indeed it would be. But it is very concerning to see that you are going to restore the work of the socks.I'd like to suggest you to consider it again. Sbowman3452 (10:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since I'm not a passionate editor at Wikipedia, so I didn't know the details that well. Thank you for correcting the error. I was surprised to see Milk's activities over the past 10 years, but 15 years of Korean socks is even more shocking.

Will your work only be focused on this article? Or will it extend to every article that the socks have been involved in? I think one way to avoid the sock puppet show is not to get involved in it. Anyway, it's terrifying that they engaged in sock puppetry for decades.

Thank you for your kindness. Sbowman3452 (talk) 09:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to remain some comments. Your contribution is little regrettable. Can I delete or modify the edit 'Koreans arrested for prostitution' that has nothing to do with the 'history of prostitution' article? The articles below already describe Korean prostitution in the country.

I suggest a correction for the following:

Prostitution in Malaysia: OK

Prostitution in the United States, Sex work in Shanghai in the 19th and 20th centuries: delete

-> These articles do not state that a woman from a particular country was arrested for prostitution, and it does not need to be mentioned. I don't know why this edit was included in the prostitution history in the Shanghai article.

Prostitution in Japan: delete

In the 'Religious connections' section already describe the nationalities of women who engage in prostitution in Japan(Including Koreans). Is there a need to highlight a single case of Koreans all of a sudden? Koreans are not the only ones who engage in prostitution in Japan.

Prostitution in Singapore: delete

It has already been described that Koreans are one of the people who engage in prostitution in Singapore too. Why should a single case be described?

Prostitution in Taiwan: delete

I don't know why the history of prostitution in Taiwan suddenly states that a Korean has been arrested. The context doesn't match. It has already been described that foreign women (including Koreans) engage in prostitution in Taiwan.

Sadly, in my opinion, your content doesn't seem to be a useful edit. It's hard to understand why there should be a part that describes cases in which Korean women were suddenly arrested for prostitution in that country. Such an article does not address the single case in which a foreign woman from any country was arrested for prostitution, and even if it already exists and dealing about the news of woman who arrested for prostitute, it should be deleted as well. If you want to leave an edit about Korean prostitutes, it's better to integrate it into the part that mentions women arrested for prostitution in the country rather than setting it aside.

I'm sorry for your hard work, but I think it's right to delete this edit after looking at your contribution details. It's not for nationalistic reasons. It's too out of the context.

In addition, the important point is that those articles already describe that Koreans are one of the people who engage in prostitution in the country. Therefore, if you really want to edit those news articles, I think it is correct to put it at the part of the foreigners in articles.

This is my argument:

These articles already refer to Koreans as one of the women who engage in prostitution in their own country, or there is no record of foreign prostitutes in their own country at all. I understand from your explanation that the socks were trying to delete such articles.But I hope you also consider whether this is really necessary.

The point is not to erase everything about Korean prostitutes.If you don't want to delete it, I'd like to use the article you brought like this.

From "Koreans arrested for prostitution. [news link]"

to this

"The nationalities of foreign prostitutes who engage in prostitution in this country are as follows. There are A, b and Korea [news link]."

What about my suggestion? Sbowman3452 (talk) 12:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shoud all entire arrest of all foreign prostitutes in an abroad should be described? Is it necessary to treat only Koreans separately?

You left this article

"Korean female university students work part time as prostitutes in Taiwan and are replacing Russian prostitutes"

"Korean women work as prostitutes in massage parlours in the US and Japan. Korean women were arrested for prostitution in Atlanta, Georgia in the US."

"Korean women aged 23 to 31 were arrested for prostitution in Singapore."

But look at this articles.

Prostitution by Taiwanese women in Japan, mentioned in the talk above.

https://n.news.naver.com/mnews/article/022/0000138081?sid=104

In 2021, 50 Taiwanese in the U.S

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/4130402

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2021/02/20/2003752558

In 2021~2024, 80 Japanese Women in South Korea and 200~300 in Australia, US, and Canada

https://m.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20240618099200004

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15220235

2024, Japanese woman in Singapore

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240213/p2a/00m/0na/016000c

There is no end to describing a woman in one country who has prostitution in another country. It is not unreasonable to write an article saying, "Japanese and Taiwanese women are engaged in prostitution in Japan, Singapore, South Korea, U.S, Australia and Canada." However, I would never write such edits. There should be no such article, either. But when someone actually wrtie it, it's racist. Likewise, I think such articles should not be described. When it comes to single cases, it's endless.

I think we should simply deal with Koreans as one of the women who engage in prostitution in such nations. Instead of dealing with single cases separately.

Sbowman3452 (talk) 13:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry for this behavior even though I promised not to get involved anymore. If you accept the offer, I will consult and edit it together, but if you refuse, I will disappear and I will never bother you again. I think having a discussion on Wikipedia is too hard for me. Thank you for being gentle.Sbowman3452 (talk) 13:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "'대만여성 3만명 일본에서 성매매'" (in Korean). News.

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