Talk:Public housing

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Brazilian public bank

Caixa Econômica Federal isn't the only public bank in Brazil, so wouldn't it be more accurate to state it as "a Brazilian federal bank" (in opposition to "the Brazilian federal bank")? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.161.231.227 (talk) 00:23, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Social housing built by companies or firms? What's the name for that?

Is there a correct definition for a type of social housing built and managed by a company or firm and allocated to its own employees? I'm not sure the expression social housing is enough to define this type of housing but there are definitely a lot of examples around, at least in some countries (i.e. former FIAT housings in Turin, Italy). Does company housing make sense anyhow?--Teno85 (talk) 01:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I just found this source on the Internet (http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/324.html) that backs up my theory, it is really called company housing.... I guess you should add a few information about company housing on this page, I don't know if companies still build and run this kind of dwellings for their workers but there are still some good examples from the old days, even though a lot of them have been reconverted to private or public housing by now.--Teno85 (talk) 02:50, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

In the old days, most of the company housing was built in remote areas, such as lumber or especially coal mining camps. That is still the case today in remote oilfields – for example in the oil patch around Williston, North Dakota, the drillers operate dormitories for their employees only (Called man-camps), with very restrictive rules (men only, no liquor, free food, etc etc) Rjensen (talk) 03:20, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I didn't know about man camps in Williston, North Dakota, but I just found some pictures online (http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2014/05/06/oil-booms-man-camps-life-north-dakota/6935/). They're prefabricated homes built for a temporary use, aren't they? And a lot of them are just trailers, I guess. --Teno85 (talk) 02:16, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes exactly – and it is even worse in the tar sands oil fields of northern Alberta. Many of these workers have families and houses somewhere else, and commute back and forth. Rjensen (talk) 03:34, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes they're literally camps, intended for temporary use only, not like the old model villages from the 19th century or early 20th century. I was actually thinking of model villages as an example of company housing from the old days: some of these villages are very well preserved, even though some others have been reconverted to public housing. In Turin, Italy, there is at least a couple of these villages, which are locally called villaggi operai (working class villages): Villaggio SNIA (SNIA Village) in the northern outskirts of the city, a very small village (a few blocks only) built in the 1920s to house the SNIA Viscosa factory workers and later reconverted into a cluster of housing projects; Villaggio Leumann (Leumann Village) in the western suburb of Collegno, a bigger and more complete village built between the late 19th century and the early 20th century for the Leumann cotton mill workers. I don't know if they still build these model villages today, they are probably replaced by camps like the ones you mentioned.--Teno85 (talk) 02:48, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Waiting List

maybe we could add the waiting time for public housing. For example in Australia it is 10 years +... and it doesn't matter if you are sick or single mother with children. How is the situation in other developed countries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.186.137.173 (talk) 08:38, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

First public housing project in the world?

History section, para 3: "The first public housing project in the world[3] was at one of the most notorious slums of London – the Old Nichol.[4]" The source cited is a 2008 article in a local newspaper, the Dockland and East London Advertiser. The Boundary Estate was the first council estate in the UK, opened in 1900, with 1,069 dwellings, but it wasn't the first municipal housing project in the UK. Liverpool Corporation built St Martin's Cottages, a project with 146 dwellings, in 1869, and Victoria Square Dwellings, with 270, in 1885 https://www.architecture.com/image-library/ribapix/image-information/poster/victoria-square-municipal-housing-liverpool-prior-to-conversion/posterid/RIBA88747.html https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yCQ9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=st+martins+cottages+liverpool&source=bl&ots=FvQHeVRjhD&sig=FRLkyUoCdqc0sGZCX4wRNhPeqGg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSm6bZ9pvQAhUBCCwKHdqzCYM4ChDoAQhLMAk#v=onepage&q=st%20martins%20cottages%20liverpool&f=false See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_the_United_Kingdom This statement needs correcting. I suggest: The first public housing was built in the UK by Liverpool Corporation in 1869, and the world's first large scale project in 1900 replaced one of London's most notorious slums. Robocon1 (talk) 17:44, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Correction: The City of London Corporation built flats for 160 families in Farringdon Rd in 1865. See pp. 42, 61 Tarn, J.N. (1973) Five Percent Philanthropy: An Account of Housing in Urban Areas Between 1840 and 1914 Cambridge, Cambridge University Press (follow link to book above). This is the earliest reference to public housing I have managed to find. Earlier tenements for the poor were built by housing societies and companies set up by philanthropists like Peabody and Waterlow: see Tarn, Chapter 2 and pp. 53- 55, Adam, T. (2009) Buying Respectability. Philanthropy and Urban Society in Transnational Perspective 1840s to 1930s Bloomington, Indiana Univ. Press https://books.google.no/books?id=a_gtMwdLqEoC&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=waterlow+mark+st+tenements&source=bl&ots=HvjzDmXtIT&sig=Fj_ZYT4p1k3rXBx3g47GLb8GxRE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ1o6Y5rzQAhWBFywKHSiwBrUQ6AEIHzAA#v=onepage&q=waterlow%20mark%20st%20tenements&f=false I would therefore suggest this edit: The first public housing in the world was built on Farringdon Road, London by the Corporation of London in 1865, and the world's first council estate (US: project) was also built in London, in 1900, to replace one of London's most notorious slums - the Old Nichol Robocon1 (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

What housing - public, social, or municipal?

According to the first line of the article

"Public housing may be a form of..."

But we want to know what "public housing" actually is, not what it may be.

The second sentence states that

"Social housing is an umbrella term referring to..."

So, is this article about "public housing" or "social housing"?

The next several sentences don't say anything about "public housing". Eventually we can read:

"Although the common goal of public housing is to provide affordable housing,..."

So we might hope to get some further information on the eponymous phrase. Instead, we come to a section named "History", with the first sentence stating:

"The origins of municipal housing lie in... "

So all of a sudden we encounter a new concept, not mentioned before: "municipal housing". And we can read a lot about it, but what about "public housing"? Luckily, in the end of this section, the phrase occurs again:

"Public housing projects were tried out in..."

So we have three concepts: "public housing", "social housing" and "municipal housing". Relations between them should be clearly defined in the beginning of the article, but they are not defined at all. 85.193.199.86 (talk) 17:16, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Italy Entry reverted?

I just added a factual entry to add Italy with public housing project in

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Public_housing&oldid=1028307227

The Vele di Scampia (English: Sails of Scampia) is a large urban housing project built between 1962 and 1975 in the Scampia ...

Anyone's thoughts about if this belongs here? it was almost immediately autodelete by another "editor"

This part could be argued is opinion but it is based on facts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Public_housing&oldid=1028308836

But if this isn't worth adding I understand... But the Italy part is completely fact...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.146.44.68 (talk • contribs) 01:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Please sign your posts. You provided no citations to your edit. Citations are not to Wikipedia: WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Please read about identifying reliable sources. Do not accuse people, when they revert you, of bad faith, because the WP:ONUS is upon you to properly cite your additions or they are subject to removal, pursuant to the verifiability policy. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 08:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Criticism

Can we get a section that criticizes public housing to give this article a more neutral point of view? 2601:98B:C300:22D0:5515:122E:B97B:11A4 (talk) 23:18, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:CRITICISM a section is a poor idea, but if you have suggested edits around the existing sections that might help achieve what you envision. CMD (talk) 13:53, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Could also be helpful to simply point out the difference between values behind public housing and implementation of policy, rather than pros vs. cons arguments (which are argumentative, and against the neutral point of WP)? Yifu6 (talk) 19:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps a 'potential benefits and drawbacks' section would be useful. 2603:8090:1B00:2D80:9516:5502:16A0:EFEC (talk) 22:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

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State housing

There is a move request related to this page at Talk:State housing#Requested move 15 January 2024. I'm proposing that that page be moved to make way for a redirect here. – Joe (talk) 12:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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Proposed Revision to United States Subsection

My plan is to focus primarily creating a section focused on how race has factored into the history of public housing. Segregation practices and racist ideology have been a major factor into the major displacement, neglect, and demolition surrounding public housing in the United States. It is an important part of the history of public housing and adds an equity aspect to the article. Yifu6 (talk) 21:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)