Talk:Pyjs

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This article was written by User:Lkcl who is listed as a/the lead developer. That's fine so long as the article remains compliant with policies such as WP:NPOV, WP:V (it seems WP:N was already established in the AfD). It sounds a little bit like an advert currently so can someone please tidy the article somewhat. -- samj _in^out 11:47, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

ahh, hello again sam. after your failure to accept that comprehensive javascript applications can be "RIA", despite overwhelming evidence that the phrase has been adapted and is now in common usage to that effect, i am not surprised to see that you're still believing that i must somehow be self-promoting, self-serving and "advertising". *sigh*. please can i advise anyone wishing to listen to sam a) to note that i haven't made any edits for several months to this page: users and developers in fact now make the changes b) to make their own minds up, by comparing the GWT page from which Pyjamas was copied, as the basis for creating this one. the layout, sentence structure and page style have all been used as the basis for this page, with the key differences being having to fight with wikifascism, and the addition of pyjamas-desktop. thus, by inference if you criticise this page as being "advertising", sam, you criticise GWT. so please do go away and criticise GWT, see how you get on, and _then_ come back to trying the same thing here. much appreciated. lkcl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.129.73 (talk) 12:15, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

AfD

hi wikipedians, if you want to delete Pyjamas_(software), you must also apply the same strict rules to Google_Web_Toolkit and delete that page as well. Pyjamas_(software) was copied, pretty much verbatim, from Google_Web_Toolkit's wikipedia page. the project, which is a port of GWT, is not as well-known as GWT, but that doesn't make it any "less important". so - leave the page alone: there's absolutely no need to go destroying people's efforts to document the existence of a project. lkcl.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.107.175 (talk)

First of all, please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The existence of some other article doesn't necessarily have any bearing on this one; we judge deletions on a case-by-case basis.

i forgot about the slashdot article. now leave the page alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.109.155 (talk) 13:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Secondly, in this edit you acknowledged that Pyjamas hasn't received any major coverage in independent sources. That would suggest that it doesn't satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirement. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 18:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Politizer- Thanks for what you're trying to do in keeping wikipedia a clean place. I am a user of the pyjamas python-to-js compiler. It is an outstanding, ligitimate, and important piece of work. I know my use doesn't add to it's notability though. I just did a quick google search and found several independent websites with pieces concerning pyjamas. Would it help if I listed some of these as external sources at the bottom of the article? Because of the nature of pyjamas, I don't think we'll fnd any articles in peer reviewed scientific journals. :-) Gdw2 (talk) 00:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I consider Pyjamas a highly valuable software project which fully deserves an entry in the Wikipedia. As regards to notability, I think it's a dubious criterion to judge what deserves to be included, due to its necessarily subjective essence. If there's a way to make it objective, I'd highly appreciate to see the comparison methods being employed. Until then, my word is: please, keep it as it is. Wikipedia has a well earned reputation of being a source where one can find even the more arcane subjects. It would be a shame that people who seeks for information about Pyjamas has to turn to other sources.

Ernesto Savoretti Sandy98 (talk) 07:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

While I believe pyjamas has a great deal of potential and will warrant this Wikipedia entry eventually. I'm not sure I disagree with the current notability of the project, While many people are using it for small internal sandbox projects as indicated by the traffic on the mailing list, are there any semi-popular websites/applications/companies relying on pyjamas that we know about? --Terry 99.226.140.164 (talk) 14:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes: http://worldfairtradeday09.org. leave the page alone. lkcl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.109.155 (talk) 13:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Keep the page alive! We are using Pyjamas at my start-up (Maven Interactive) and believe it to hold great promise. It's a great technology and I know some other developers who are investigating its potential. But using it is something of a competitive advantage, so we're not talking very loudly about it, if at all. While my start-up is still in stealth mode I use a number of technologies that I don't want to broadcast to the world. A couple of times when I was interviewing developers I sent them to Wikipedia to show them one of the technologies I needed them to know. I suppose I can easily reference other sites. But Wikipedia is well-known and easy to reference. MichaelcMurdock (talk) 18:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

oh - nearly forgot: http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/11/28/1335248.shtml - leave the page alone. lkcl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.109.155 (talk) 13:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

what's with this being blacklisted??? h t t p : / / w w w .r e a d w r i t e w e b . c o m /archives/pyjamas_build_ajax_apps_in_pyt.php ReadWriteWeb Article, Dec 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.109.155 (talk) 13:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

(update by lkcl: hmmm - as part of checking what i'm talking about, i've done a quick comparison of GWT and Pyjamas pages: it appears that the GWT page has undergone significant edits since its style and sentence structure were copied as the basis for the Pyjamas page, almost a year ago: they're now radically different. perhaps it is time to once again take a copy of the sentences used by the GWT project. just to get sam to shut the **** up, perhaps someone else could do that?). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.129.73 (talk • contribs) 12:28, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I trust this article is no longer controversial. Pyjamas is more widely used now. Pasado (talk) 06:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Perfection of Implementation

Is Pyjamas perfect? In other words, does the translation produce code that perfectly follows the Python specifications?

I am interested in introducing a certain company to Pyjamas, but they absolutely need a perfect implementation of Python to JavaScript, one that will act exactly the same way as desktop Python in every way.

Thanks for your help. --Carrot Lord (talk) 07:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Addendum - It looks like it is not perfect. I looked at the about page for Pyjamas, but it seems that calling type on a single argument is not allowed? Is this true in --strict mode? --Carrot Lord (talk) 07:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Resources

The link labeled "Pyjamas: Project Home" under Resources is broken. It appears Google no longer has a Pyjamas page. But I don't know how to edit something implemented as a RefList object. Dshafer (talk) 20:58, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you. The Transhumanist 01:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Inaccurate information listed in "history" section

I thought it important to point out that someone (associated with the project) has been editing the "history" page to provide a perspective that leaves out several important facts.

• The domain was hijacked by a team who prepared alternative infrastructure without the consent of the users or the lead developer. The change of the domain to alternative infrastructure came to light just as a major release was being prepared and being uploaded as a Debian package. It was extremely embarrassing.
• The business model was a simple and straightforward "Libre" one: become the prominent known developer, run a server that demonstrates the capabilities of the framework, and wait for clients to approach me.
• AT ABSOLUTELY NO TIME was there ANY AGREEMENT with ANY USERS OR SYSADMINS that the Server - which also virtual-hosted CONFIDENTIAL CLIENTS - was a quotes Community Resource quotes.
• The immediate effect of the hijacking was to destroy the archive history and subsequent page-rank on search engines, thus having an IMMEDIATE detrimental effect on both the project and my ability to be found as a prominent lead resource by potential (and existing) clients. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lkcl (talk • contribs) 13:12, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
• On investigation of the original server there was absolutely no evidence that Antony C Risinger had actually been on the server. In other words: he had been covering his tracks (quite possibly for several weeks so as to avoid detection) by deleting the root account command-history file and the command history file in the personal directory from which he had been ssh'ing in. Several log files were also missing.
• Permission to take the mailing list and ssh keys of the users and developers was, at no time, sought publicly or privately.
• As the original server was in the UK, it is covered by UK Law.
• Anyony C Risinger was given access by me to that server to help manage the ssh keys for the developers, the git repository, and the web site.
• Antony C Risinger's actions - which were taken in total secrecy without informed consent - to export the mailing list and ssh keys of the users and developers out of the United Kingdom's jurisdiction was therefore in direct violation of the UK Data Protection Act. I was therefore forced to make a criminal report at my local police station just in case one of the users made a complaint.
• Antony C Risinger actually made *three* separate attempts to set up alternative mailing lists, blanket-subscribing each and every user to the new infrastructure (outside of the United Kingdom's jurisdiction) without their consent, knowledge or permission in the first two cases.
• In each of the first two cases I complained immediately that he did not have my consent (nor the consent of any other members of the mailing list that he had hijacked) to subscribe me (or anyone) to an arbitrary list without my (or their) permission. His response was to delete the ENTIRE mailing list in each case, starting a new one on a totally new service.

The effect that the actions of the project hijackers had was to cut an already extremely low income in HALF, as I lost clients due to their actions. They have absolutely no idea of the harm that they did. I cannot truly begin to describe how damaging their actions were to my situation, which was already precarious, when I was living in a location that was actually extremely dangerous. My health and that of my family was compromised from having to live in sub-standard accommodation: temperatures of SEVEN Centigrade during winter. Water that was not restored for a month due to damage to the pipe from the well.

An example: a flash flood occurred that year, with the water in a normally passive stream rising four METRES in under three hours due to a storm further north of Stranraer (we later learned that it had flooded out the house and the entire field that the house was in, for around a quarter of a mile in every direction). I guessed that I had about 20 minutes to get my 3 year old daughter, my partner and myself out of the house, to safety. In that 20 minutes the water rose to the point where I had to wade through eighteen inches of water, unable to see the path from the house to the bridge, carrying my daughter in my arms, to get to the stone bridge, water roaring underneath it only two feet below the top of the arch at about 30 miles an hour, knowing that there was a waterfall only a hundred metres downstream over a drop of about 5 metres onto large stone boulders. One slip and we would have been swept away and killed.

Yet this was the only place that we could afford to live in at the time. Even just the cost of moving was something that was beyond us.

I got the distinct impression that the hijackers were operating on some sort of mental... "auto-pilot", bereft of common sense, decency, ethical morality and compassion, yet completely self-deluded in their belief that their actions were "just and right". The section marked "history" may therefore be viewed as a desperate attempt by one of the members of the project to justify their absolutely reprehensible actions. I'm not going to touch it. I'm going to leave it to wikipedia moderators to deal with. I will not write again on this subject.

Lkcl (talk) 14:51, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Confirming the above. this was a pure hijack by a person Luke had trusted with the keys to the kingdom, so to speak. What Luke doesn't mention is that he tried, desperately, to revitalise his side of the project, creating what was basically a fork of his own project, only for the hijackers to keep stealing his work on that fork to their own. Once he gave up on that, the hijackers' project pretty much died out as well. No commits since 2015. Thank you, Anthony. 85.227.216.133 (talk) 22:41, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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