Talk:Rocky Kramer

Article Unpaid

Hello @TruthGuardians:. I have categorically not been paid. I'm in lockdown here. I am exploring new topics. Ear-phone (talk) 19:41, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

I follow new artists and know of Rocky Kramer as a very capable guitarist. I looked for him on WP and found this draft. I would like to know why it was marked with a spam template at some point and moved to draft status? I also see that it's now marked WP:UPE. The original editor denies being paid. Is there some evidence that the editor was paid? If not, it seems unfair to mark the article as such. Can you explain yourself TruthGuardians? --Warriorboy85 (talk) 22:34, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

This article has been tagged as being UPE. The editor who tagged it has offered no explanation or evidence to support the tag. The editor who created the article denied that he or she was paid anything for the article. There may be other issues with the article that should be discussed here and resolved according to WP rules and procedures. The editor who placed the UPE tag failed to offer any explanation on the talk page or notify the creating editor of the reasons for the UPE tag in the first place. Because the creating editor has denied having been paid and the tagging editor has failed to support the allegation, I suggest the UPE tag be removed and the article be fully restored. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 05:17, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

After consultation with the Help Desk and based upon the above denial of any payment by Ear-phone, I was informed that I could remove the UPE tag and restore the article. I have now done so and ask that should anyone find fault with the article, that they first discuss it here on the talk page, so a consensus can be reached and the article can be improved, rather than hidden. I am not the article's creator and hope he or she will continue to contribute. I thank everyone for their help resolving this matter and look forward to the article improving from its infancy.--Warriorboy85 (talk) 06:41, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I find the accusations disrespectful and an assault on my dignity. I'm not even allowed to listen to music or have other interests. Thank you @Warriorboy85: for good faith editing. I do notice @Deb: that you are following my edits. I don't know why you are apparently picking on me. Anyhow, I'll move on from this page and find other pages to edit, if I can get over this discouraging experience and being possibly stalked by @Deb:. Ear-phone (talk) 20:45, 25 October 2020

@Ear-phone: You seem to see yourself as a victim and have turned this into a personal attack on me for doing my job as an administrator and enforcing the guidelines on other articles. This article has nothing to do with me at all, except that I have helped you by making improvements to it. If you had actually read WP:HARASS, you would know that it's quite normal and acceptable for an admin to check on another editor's work if they appear to have a poor understanding of the project and are making a lot of errors, especially when that editor is as inexperienced as you are.Deb (talk) 07:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Deb: I'm not part of or really following the above issue with Ear-phone, but do want to thank you @Deb for assisting with this article. I didn't create it, but was thinking about starting one myself when this one popped up. It's always nice when experienced editors lend a helping hand to us neophytes! Much appreciated. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 08:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Deb: Your claim of inexperience is your point of view. I have been editing Wikipedia for nearly as long as you have. Do not think I can't see what you are doing. I saw how you reverted my edit on July 18, citing a lack of a citation, etc. (the majority of entries there do not have a citation and you will definitely not revert them). Good faith, a key aspect of experience, would be you trying to find a citation or informing me on the talk page, but you simply deleted. If you claim I'm inexperienced and you have genuine good faith...what is the impact of simply deleting on a new/inexperienced editor? Can I conclude that you are inexperienced because Wikipedia guidelines state Please do not bite the newcomers. "New members are prospective contributors and are therefore Wikipedia's most valuable resource. We must treat newcomers with kindness and patience—nothing scares potentially valuable contributors away faster than hostility." While I appreciate your edits, you make it sound like my editing is a total train smash, yet you editing 12 words. Your approach is very demoralizing. I just feel like giving up. Ear-phone (talk) 12:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ear-phone: I've been extremely patient with you. I don't know if you are aware that anyone can check your edit history, and so everyone reading this knows how short a time you have been here and how few edits you've made. If you carry on in this vein, you won't be able to get new articles past review. You must stop making personal attacks immediately if you don't want to be blocked from editing altogether. Deb (talk) 15:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Deb: I'll reply here also. Yes I am fully aware that my edit history can be seen. I think you will know exactly what has happened to me before. All I am saying is that you tagged and deleted some edits/pages that I made without leaving any message on my talk page, before I contacted you. It can engender a positive editing experience for folks if a message is left. I don't have anything personal at all with you. Like I said I appreciate your edits. If you feel that I have attacked you, I am very sorry - I apologize. I am open to friendship. Ear-phone (talk) 17:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Musical Artist Module

@Nardog: Thank you for your effort to assist with this article. This recording artist is also a weekly host of a talk / music show, as well as being a virtuoso guitarist. I used both an Infobox person and Infobox musical artist to enable me to include the signature and the music genres. When you removed module2, you also removed all of the Musical Career Information. I'm assuming you didn't intend to do that. If I'm doing something wrong, can you let me know how to do it correctly? Thanks again! --Warriorboy85 (talk) 06:58, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

@Nardog: While I was writing the above, you made the last revision and I think I now "get it!" Again, thank you so much for helping out with the article. I always learn from those more experienced from me. Happy New Year! --Warriorboy85 (talk) 07:03, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing and reverting my mistake. You are right, as I tried to remove an error (Articles with empty listen template), I introduced another (Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls). It was the |thumb|From the Allied Artists program Rock & Roll Tuesdays with Rocky Kramer, Oct 13, 2020]] part that was redundant and causing the error. But in the process I thoughtlessly changed module2 to module without realizing it was already set. I'm sorry, I should have been more careful. I appreciate your notification and assumption of good faith. I hope it's fixed and clear now. Nardog (talk) 07:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

@Nardog: No problem at all. In fact, I believe that I learned how to deal with "duplicate arguments in template calls," which is something that was way over my head. I think it's great that more experienced editors like you are helping with articles. That's exactly how us less experienced editors learn. Thanks again so much! --Warriorboy85 (talk) 07:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of drop down information boxes

Hi @Xfansd: I've reverted your removal of the three drop down information boxes at the bottom of this article. I rarely revert anyone's revisions, but you provided no explanation for their removal. I definitely assume good faith on your part, but have no idea why you removed them. If they are against some WP policy, I would greatly appreciate your identifying the policy explaining how they violate that policy. As far as I know, those drop down boxes are informational in nature and intended to be used on articles that relate to the subject matter being discussed in the article. I would greatly appreciate your discussing it here before removing them again. Thank you very much for working with me to make this article the best it can be. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 08:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

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