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Hinduism link

More than a helper with a few words of great golf advice, Bagger Vance is a fictionalized version of Bhagavan, the supreme Hindu god. And Rannulph Junah isn't just a golfer from Savannah, Georgia. He is a fictionalized version of Arjuna, the mortal whom Bhagavan assists in the Hindu scriptural epic, the Bhagavad-Gita.

This article needs help

This should ideally be two articles; one for the movie, one for the book (the book article being the primary one, since the book was written first). However, before that can happen, this article needs to be fixed. There needs to be a plot summary, and we can point out differences in the book and the movie (there are many), and go from there. I don't know how much I can contribute to this right away, but I will try as best as I can. --CanesOL79 15:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a 'differences' section which deals with the big ones.Burns flipper 11:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

God this is bad the summary misses the entire point of the movie.

“and the movie ends with Hardy meeting Bagger Vance for the first time since Junuh's golf match.”

He isn’t meeting Bagger Vance for the first time since Junuh’s golf match. He’s dead!!! Bagger Vance was God. Or a deity of some kind Bagger Vance is a play on Bhagavan the Hindu supreme god. He died of a heart attack and Vance, God, was waving him to come to heaven.

"I"m right here with ya... I've been here all along” –Bagger Vance to Junuh209.193.41.50 (talk)

Symbolism

The article should probably deal with the symbolism in the story(Its references to the Indian epic The Bhagavad-Gita, which is pretty prevalent in the story line and the characters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheLedBalloon (talk • contribs) 21:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

sure, but don't add it to the plot section and please make sure to back it up with references. -- Horkana (talk) 23:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Despite the attitude regarding the character of Bagger Vance as a "magical negro" as per Spike Lee's commentary, this film was best served by having Will Smith portray the mysterious Bagger Vance. Factoring in the era in which the film is set adds to the value of Bagger's being black. Early on in the film, Hardy Greaves (Moncrief) succeeds in finding Junuh in the basement of his home playing cards and having a few drinks. Junuh's drinking and card playing friends are a group of mainly black men and the scene in the basement of Junuh's home delivers an atmosphere of good humor, friendship and brotherhood. In short, equality. On the flip side of the coin, the white politicians are portrayed in what could be labeled stereotypically Southern - gauche, dim-witted and shallow a la Boss Hoggs in the Dukes of Hazzard. In almost every scene he's in, the local mayor, Nescaloosa, is followed by an entourage of similarly dim-witted cronies.

It is understood by the audience that Randolph Junuh is suffering and at the lowest point of his life when Bagger arrives. Junuh's act of hitting golf balls off into the darkness symbolizes his not knowing where his life is going. It is fitting that at this time Vance, at face value a vagabond with little direction, arrives to give much needed advice to the struggling Junuh. Only a black man of that era might have been able to truly understand his suffering and make a connection to Junuh on a deeper level. Misery always loves company. The persona of Will Smith added immeasurable charm, humor and appeal to the character of Bagger Vance. The act of portraying Vance as black only added to the film in a way that having him portrayed as a white character could not have. – — ‘’ “” ° ″ ′ ≈ ≠ ≤ ≥ ± − × ÷ √ ← → · § Mosihasteen (talk) 16:33, 27 May 2012 (UTC)Mosihasteen (talk) 18:46, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That might be true however the basic premise of Wikipedia is to only contain what has been previously published in reliable third party sources. These statements are just unreferenced opinions which therefore violate WP:OR and WP:POV unless there are adequate sources that support these specific assertions.109.150.228.15 (talk) 18:19, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural references

It may be appropriate to mention this somewhere in the article but it doesn't belong in the Plot section so I'm moving it here until someone can put it somewhere more approrpriate. -- Horkana (talk) 23:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Bobby Jones actually did this during the 1925 U.S. Open and would later go on to lose by one stroke.^[1]).

^ Lambert, Craig (March/April 2002). "Bobby Jones". Harvard Magazine. Retrieved June 30, 2007. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

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Fair use rationale for Image:The Legend of Bagger Vance soundtrack cover.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 12:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

anachronology?

"Time called it one of the most "embarrassing" films of recent years for its treatment of African Americans and the use of a "Magical African-American Friend". The film would later be used by Spike Lee as an example of a film with a Magical Negro."

From the sources, it may be seen that Spike Lee called it first. Drsruli (talk) 22:21, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Lambert, Craig (March/April 2002). "Bobby Jones". Harvard Magazine. Retrieved June 30, 2007. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

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