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An important aspect to note is that Vancouverism is an ideal that was developed in Vancouver but is not present in all regions of the city of Vancouver. Additionally, while outlying regions of Metro Vancouver, such as Surrey, has adopted aspects of these ideals, they did not originate outside the city of Vancouver.

Either the last phrase is negligible or I do not understand it. —Tamfang (talk) 23:57, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Most of this article is unintelligible, and the word "Vancouverism" if it came up in ordinary speech would mean a speech or behaviour that's recognizably part of the local culture/identity. The bit you're responding to and bolded is a brag, it's not like Vancouver invented these ideas; they branded them, that's all; the design issues that emerge in the West End kinda organically became formulated in the development of Downtown South, and both sides of False Creek, and now in suburban=urban redevelopment in the rest of the so-called "Metro", but they never produced the same kind of ambience or community that resulted in the West End. Too contrived, also very sterile; this article is full of peacockery; I keep it watchlisted but it seems more to exist as a pitch for the Vancouver-branding; I see it linked in other-city articles, as if this were a common usage; it's not.Skookum1 (talk) 01:19, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Really People?

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Am I the only one who noticed the third line of the "coincidence of factors" that led to Vancouver's urban plan?:

  • draft dodgers of the Vietnam War bringing liberal hippie views accommodating an active recreational/drug abuse culture

Really? Really? "Liberal hippie views accommodating an active drug abuse culture"? C'mon people. Why hasn't this change been removed yet? Or at least altered to something less completely reactionary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.103.126 (talk) 17:01, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Removed this, and the other tagged points. Article definitely needs work. The Interior (Talk) 17:16, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Those same draft dodgers brought in an influx of creative retail ventures, including the revitalization/preservation of Gastown, and enriched the city's cultural and artistic life; the Literary Storefront for example; in its last days run by Wayne Holder, and associate of now-President of Estonia Tom Ilves; Wayne was from San Francisco and when the time came, he took the amnesty offer and went back to San Fran where he ran Lighthouse Books until his death. So many names and stories of the draft dodger era; the "hippie" slag about Vancouver is stock-in-trade from the rabid-right and in Central Canadian media and in the BC Interior e.g. "cappucino-sucking tree huggers".
"Vancouverism" as noted above, to me, would mean a particular term used locally, or a "thing we do", like going out for breakfast or walking the Seawall at sunset; its cooptation by the architectural/planning world is not by any means COMMONUSE, other than in that discipline. Citing all the rest of "true Vancouverisms" is possible but would take a lot of work; the planning dogma (so self-serving and hasn't produced the social/cultural results its pretensions tout so loudly) should be something like Vancouverism (planning).Skookum1 (talk) 07:38, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"which became the highest density neighbourhood "

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The West End is not the most densely populated neighborhood on the West Coast if you're discussing this within the North American context. US cities San Francisco and Los Angeles both have higher-density neighborhoods than the West End. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:7B80:125:6006:5C03:CF4E:BBAB (talk) 03:11, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that's a fallacy anyway, even in Vancouver-only terms. The West End, or some areas of it, had a higher population density before the age of teh apartment towers and special zoning for space between them came into play; low-rises and houses broken up into, or built as, apartments/housing units wound up having more people per square block t han the single-bedroom towerrs and associated open spaces around them.Skookum1 (talk) 04:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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