Talk:Walter Veith

Veith on German Wikipedia

Walter Veith on German Wikipedia site

Timeline

1949

Born

1971

Began studying zoology at University of Stellenbosch

1979

Zoology doctorate from University of Cape Town

1989

Series of meetings in South Africa at the Owen home.

1993

Creation-Evolution evangelistic series in Massey Auditorium, lower mainland of British Columbia, 900 average in attendance.

1995

Amazing Discoveries Committee formed and British Columbia Conference support.

1996

Veith series in Vancouver

1997

Veith series in Kelowna and Mission

1998

Diet and health: scientific perspectives. (Book)

1999

Antimicrobial resistance of bacterial flora associated with bovine products in South Africa, Journal of Food Protection®, Number 6, June 1999, pp. 567-697

2006

Veith series Chattanooga, TN, January

Criticism

Allegations of Anti-semitism

• Independent Lay Evangelist faces Accusations of Anti-Semitism after Speaking in Germany

This report comes from another independent Adventist news magazine, Adventist Today.

• Arno Hamburger calls Veiths statements about Jews "nonsense"

Arno Hamburger, the chairman of the Jewish Community of Nuremberg, did not consider Veith's comments to be anti-semitic. Rather, he considered them nonsense. Even antisemites could not build on such nonsense, he said.

Andrea Livnat, anti-Semitism expert and editor in chief of the German-Jewish Internet magazine "haGalil", said Veith's lecture is clearly permeated by anti-Semitic statements. "That is quite beyond doubt," Livnat, commented, "Veith transported and spread obviously anti-Semitic stereotypes, this specifically uses for his argument and trivialized the Holocaust." She said his comments were outrageous.

Vieth in Spectrum Magazine

Spectrum Magazine has a long history of news reporting on the Adventist World. Their work is especially useful here because they keep an arm's length from church control. Observations presented hear are less bias toward the church than most other Adventist magazines.

The articles about Veith are less than flattering. But as mentioned above neutrality is not a criteria for reliability.

Note these:

• Osborn, Ron (October 11. 2011). "The Dark Fantasy World of Walter Veith". Spectrum Magazine. Association of Adventist Forums. Retrieved 2014-03-16. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

• Scriven, Charles (December 28, 2011). "Spectrum and the Christ Child". Spectrum Magazine blog. Association of Adventist Forums. Retrieved 2014-03-16.

"Ron Osborn’s recent take on Walter Veith drew thousands of readers and nearly a thousand comments (thus far). "

• Roesch, Tammy (May 30, 2012). "Seventh-day Adventists and Conspiracy Theories". Spectrum Magazine blog. Association of Adventist Forums. Retrieved 2014-03-16.

"Walter Veith is the leading conspiratory voice within Adventism, followed by Bill Hughes and others. Veith has produced hundreds of hours of DVDs that keep his listeners sitting on the edge of the couch. Some viewers are anxious to hear his latest speculations; many are filled with anxiety for the future. Like a drug addiction, the more people view the videos, the more money they spend on these theories."

Note that Veith is the leading conspiratory voice within Adventist which has an annual budget of 50 billion dollars and a world membership of 18 million.

• Our Nutty Fringe

"For how many years has Walter Veith been speaking in our churches? And yet the first thing that’s caught the leaders’ attention is his anti-Semitism? The surprise is not that one region finally banned him, but that he has been for years, and continues to be, invited to speak in Seventh-day Adventist churches around the world! Why is that? It’s because a lot of his conspiratorial nonsense isn’t unwelcome among us. Go where the self-supporting folks are gathered, and you’ll find groups who self-identify as Seventh-day Adventists, whose central beliefs intersect ours on the Venn diagram, but with an appended compliment of their own bizarre ideas, from survivalism to radical health extremism to invisible barcodes on our foreheads to the Adventist church itself being Babylon. It shouldn’t escape your notice that we have had far more patience with Walter Veith and his made-up conspiracies than we showed a respected Adventist scholar who questioned the Investigative Judgment by referring to the Bible alone."

DonaldRichardSands (talk) 23:22, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

It should be noted that Spectrum Magazine is a voice of the Progressive, Anti-conservative minority in the SDA church. It does not represent the thinking of the majority of SDAs and that bias should be taken into account. --RoyBurtonson (talk) 02:07, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• Agreed, to a point. That is, Spectrum does not represent the official voice of Adventism. Spectrum will present critical views which the main stream Adventist press would never print. This usually means it is seen as a voice of the "progressive" wing of the church. This arm's length relationship with the church gives it a reliable reputation among many editors. Conservative Adventists often will respond in the comment section after an article. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 22:50, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Biblical Research International on Veith

• Kovar, Johannes. "The Textus Receptus and Modern Bible Translations" (PDF). Adventist Biblical Research. Retrieved 2014-03-16.

• The textus receptus and Modern Bible Translation

Veith corresponds with BRI

Letter of response to BRI regarding their Reflections article on the Bible translations

Bruinsma in the Adventist Review

• Bruinsma, Reinder (September 10, 2009). "Conspiracies: So often believed, so rarely based in fact". Adventist Review Online Eddition. Silver Spring, MD.: Review and Herald Publishing Association: 27. Retrieved 2014-03-15.

My country not long ago had the misfortune to have been visited by an Adventist lecturer who travels the world and gets himself invited to all continents to preach about the events that lead to the end of time. His approach resembles that of best-selling author Dan Brown. The recipe seems to be: You take a few undisputed facts; you then add a large number of unknown facts that are extracted from obscure sources no one can check, and which are at most only partly true; and you mix all this until you have a powerful concoction for the sensation-hungry consumer. It seems to enhance the attractiveness of the resulting product when the speaker assures his audience that the official church, with its ecumenical tendencies, neglects to proclaim these precious truths. And no wonder, for the church has been infiltrated by the very same forces of darkness that he has come to expose!

The recipe is as successful as it is dangerous. It results in fear. It polarizes churches. It cultivates suspicion to church leadership. It fuels that prejudice in the mind of many around us that Adventism, after all, is a sub-Christian sect. But, most serious of all: it eclipses the good news of the message of the gospel by irresponsible innuendos and speculation and by an unhealthy sensationalism. It was good to see how the Week of Prayer readings of 2008 sounded a clear warning against this approach and highlighted the signs of Christ’s coming as signs of hope! The message of the Advent hope is not to be correlated with theories about secret religious societies and the apparently omnipresent Freemasons. The greatest sign of the end is not the spread of New Age thinking or the alleged development of some form of world government but is instead the powerful preaching of the message of Christ’s soon coming to every nation and people group, and in every language spoken on earth. 

"Reinder Bruinsma is a retired church administrator living in the Netherlands and is publishing coordinator for the Netherlands Union."

Veith Responds to Bruinsma

Dr Walter Veith replies to criticism by Reinder Bruinsma recently published in Adventist Review.

Sedition

Removed it as we shouldn't have unsourced quotes and I'm not sure that it isn't WP:UNDUE. See [1] which has a translation of a newspaper article - the blog isn't an RS, maybe someone can find and use the original newspaper article. Doug Weller (talk) 09:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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