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Thank you. Will do. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

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UEFA Regions' Cup

If you are going to "update" articles on previous UEFA Regions' Cups, can you please actually use valid information rather than vandalism? Thanks, Ը२ձւե๓ձռ¹⁷ 09:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not about UEFA's "illiteracy". The names on the articles are the names used on the UEFA site, or the closest English option, so they don't need changing. Also, they're the regions' names, not club names... Ը२ձւե๓ձռ¹⁷ 08:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I've looked through the actual UEFA website for the Regions' Cup and found no mention of any "Bastion Illichivsk". As it is a UEFA competition, the names on the website are to be used, as that is what the official site uses and what any external links say. By the looks of it, the names you have given are either wrong or just a personal problem of yours. Also, as it's an amateur competition, the associations mentioned rarely actually have articles, and as it's for "regions", then regions (or their closest relation's article) are linked to for some proper consistency within all the articles. Ը२ձւե๓ձռ¹⁷ 17:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the links, but I believe the current names on the articles are also in the names on those pages, and are also linkable and factually correct in the sense of regions. And by personal, I meant that I thought you were taking the names on the articles as not being to your personal taste, when they are correct, and that you were focusing on just Ukrainian regions when there are probably other nations' entries which could also be discussed. Just as a by-the-by, there's really not point in trying to sway your argument by saying the teams you have mentioned have played in "the Ukrainian Second League" or have "a history of professional-level competitions", because the Regions' cup is an amateur competition; not for professionals. The current Group 6 also shows just "Odessa" on the fixtures and results page, as an abbreviation. Ը२ձւե๓ձռ¹⁷ 18:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Serhei Nudnii

Aleksandr, I noticed that you recently made a change to the FC Chornomorets Odessa squad page. You changed Serhei Nudnii to Ukrainian and changed the spelling of his names. Even though Nudnii was born in Ukraine he holds a Moldova citizenship and has played for their Under-21 team. In articles he is generally referred to as Moldovan. I realize that Premier League website lists him as Ukrainian, but his appearances for Moldova U-21 team would seem to signify that he is their citizen. The article in Sport-Express Ukraine also seems to suggest the same. Also see these sources: moldfootball.com, Sport-Express Ukraine #2, and Unofficial club site (based on OdessaFootball site). I know these references don't seem as strong as the Premier League listing—and perhaps he holds dual citizenship—but I am tempted to list him under Moldova as he seems to identify himself with it and has played at all junior levels for their national team. Let me know what you think in regards to this. — Stochil (talk) 21:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

That makes sense. I didn't want to rush into reverting things back, and wanted to ask you first. I think stating the ambiguity of his citizenship is a good point. I will try to see if I can dig up if he appeared for Moldova U-21. That would help in this case. Thanks for your quick feedback! —Stochil (talk) 20:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

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"Please take note: I represent Ms. Patrice Martinez and if this article has no lead section written, it is because Ms. Martinez has chosen not to write one at this particular time. Also, if any intro, lead, editing or altering of this profile is executed without my client’s authorization, we will prosecute." Saw this on her page, can this actually be done?..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.230.248.22 (talk) 18:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Award!

For updating articles related to Politics of Ukraine, I hereby award you the Ukrainian Barnstar of National Merit. Note the raspberry color of the ribbon, the historical color of the Dnieper Cossacks. — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 15:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Kyiv vs Kiev

Here is some web-sites for your information: [1], [2], [3] check the Article 20 of the Constitution of Ukraine, and a bit more here [4]. Those people who try to edit the wikipedia article about Kyiv are Russians and they are simple trying to get rid of traces of Ukrainization worldwide. When I try to argue with them they show me some stupid articles that they googled. Those are mostly from the newspapers like the Komsomolskaya Pravda which is basically a pulp fiction.Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 06:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Aleksandr. The names used in our articles are determined in accordance to Wikipedia's general naming conventions and the specific ones for geographic names. – Please, read them carefully. They do not ask us to follow any city's or country's constitution or government. Instead, their main criterion is that we "should prefer [the names] the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize". In our case, that means Kiev.

Furthermore, the 3rd general guideline of the naming conventions for geographic names currently state: "The contents (this applies to all articles using the name in question): The same name as in the title should be used consistently throughout the article." — So, as long as the article on the city itself uses Kiev for its title, all other articles should use Kiev too.

Remember that for the specific purpose of article naming (and the subsequent consistent use of names in other articles), the names used, desired or promoted by the local populations (be they Ukrainians, Italians, French, Chinese or Martians) are mostly irrelevant. We only care about what names are commonly used in English-language publications. — This is so because we are interested in communicating information efficiently to an anglophone readership, by using the names with which they are most familiar.

Wikipedia is descriptive of English usage, not prescriptive of what names should English-speakers use. We do not declare what an English usage should be or will be, only what it currently is.

Political or diplomatic considerations have no bearing on what names we use. Our Neutral point of view policy is clear on this: it's "Article naming" section currently states that "[w]here proper nouns such as names are concerned, disputes may arise over whether a particular name should be used. Wikipedia takes a descriptive rather than prescriptive approach in such cases, by using the common English language name as found in verifiable reliable sources."

Of course, languages change with the pass of time. Today we usually speak about Beijing instead of Peking. Perhaps the same thing will happen in the case of Kiev, and at some point the form Kyiv will become the one the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize. If/when that happens, the English-language Wikipedia should reflect that change, and use Kyiv. But not before; Wikipedia is not a venue to advocate the adoption of certain names by the English language.

By the way, if you want to change the current naming conventions of the English Wikipedia, you're free to propose your desired modifications at the appropriate talk page (for example, at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions :-) However, while the current conventions remain in place, they should be respected: they are an official policy of the English-language Wikipedia. - Best, Ev (talk) 16:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I see your point. But do your realize that promoting the name of Kiev instead of Kyiv in a encyclopedia will lead to further confusion of that issue? Why? Simply. Of course, people who know nothing of Ukrainian culture, language, and history care less in that regard, yet the others who also familiar with English language will be puzzled. First of all the this ecyclopedia contradicts the Laws of Ukraine and second of all promotes further illiteracy. What about the scientific and cultural perception? The Academy of Science of Ukraine officially declared the usage of Kyiv, which was later accepted by the Ukrainian parliament and other official institutions around the globe. Now you advocating the issue of numbers by googling which does not really justify anything. How about check the quality of the articles instead of simply calling numbers? Are we to accept quantity over the quality? I believe that encyclopedia ought to follow the correct promotion of the concept definition otherwise it looses its sense. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I understand you position. However, your approach differs from that of Wikipedia's current editorial policies. You perceive Kyiv as the correct name, and Kiev as incorrect. Wikipedia's editorial policies don't make such active judgments, but ask us to limit ourselves to passively reflect the common usages of the English language.

As I mentioned above, Wikipedia is descriptive of English usage, not prescriptive of what names should English-speakers use. We do not declare what an English usage should be or will be, only what it currently is.

Of course, you can propose changing our current approach at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions or Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). If you obtain there a consensus to change our naming conventions from "prefering the names the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize (reflecting common English usage)" to "following Ukrainian legislation", then Kyiv would be used in our articles. – But as long as our naming conventions remain in their current form, they should be followed: they are an official policy of the English-language Wikipedia. - Best regards, Ev (talk) 20:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

• Here it clearly states to use modern names Wikipedia Rules. The Ukrainian government officially changed the name in English and I believe it needs to be respected and, thus, officially used. Kiev name is a historical name of the city that was occupied when Ukraine was conquered by Russians in 1920.
• The Wikipedian article also mentions to allow the name changes following the Cold War mentioning date of 1993, but not binding to it. After the Ukrainian Academy of Science confirmed the correst transliteration of the name, the appropriate Law was passed in parliament justify that change.
• Please note, it was not a simple invention by the President of Ukraine, but rather that issue was addressed among cultural, historical, ethnographical, linguist, and other scholars. Then it was addressed to Verkhovna Rada. That took some time and was only officially recognize in 1996.
• Suprisingly, over 10 years have elapsed since then and everyone fails to mention that fact coming up with various crazy ideas. Of course, there will be little or no traces of such name while googling, because no one really enforces that. All of the previous scientific works were written in Russian as the use of Ukrainian language was not allowed for that matter. The name was simply transliteration of the Russian name for the city.
• Another similar case is with the city of Lviv which was founded by the Ukraine-Ruthenian prince as Lvov in the name of his son. That became an accepted name in Russia and Poland. But the name officially was changed to the modern Ukrainian language and, thus, now it is called as Lviv. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Your first point refers to the "Use modern names" section of our naming conventions for geographic names, which you are misinterpreting by reading some of its sentences in isolation from the rest of the conventions.

The section currently states that "[f]or an article about a [city] whose name has changed over time, use the modern English name [...], rather than an older one." – Here is the problem: by "modern English names" the convention refers to the name commonly used in modern, contemporary English-language publications (in our case, Kiev); it does not refer to "the current official name according to that city's (or country's) government" (in our case, Kyiv).

Our articles use Istanbul, Volgograd & Saint Petersburg instead of Constantinople, Stalingrad & Leningrad not because the local authorities changed their names, but because common English usage itself has changed.

This point is detailed in the section's last paragraf about "Mumbai", which states that "[the city] officially changed its name from Bombay in 1995. Our choice of name does not automatically follow the official one, however, but depends on two claims: that usage in English by locals (and wider English usage as well, to some extent) has changed to commonly use Mumbai, although many local institutions do not, and that Indian English, as an official language, should be followed, in accordance with our guidelines on National varieties of English." (emphasis mine; and of course, English is not an official language in the Ukraine).

Let me emphasize it: The choice of name does not automatically follow the official one, but hinges on whether English usage itself has changed to adopt the new official name. — The government of Burma officially adopted the name Myanmar; however our article follows common English usage and is under the title "Burma".

You said: The Ukrainian government officially changed the name in English and I believe it needs to be respected and, thus, officially used.

That is your opinion; which differs from our naming conventions' approach to the issue. Therefore, it is irrelevant for the specific purposes of name usage in Wikipedia articles. – Of course, you can propose (at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)) to change our naming conventions to match your opinion that the "official names" chosen by each government need to be respected.

You said: Kiev name is a historical name of the city.

No, it is not. Kiev continues to be the name commonly used in English-language publications, and the one the greatest number of English speakers most easily recognize.

You said: [Kiev] was occupied when Ukraine was conquered by Russians in 1920.

Actually, the city had been under Russian control since the mid-17th century, not just since 1920. – But who governed/governs, ruled/rules, occuppied/liberated it doesn't matter for the issue at hand. :-)

Your second point refers to the "Widely accepted name" section of our naming conventions for geographic names, which again you are misinterpreting by reading one sentence in isolation from the rest of the conventions.

That section currently mentions the need "to ensure that post-Cold War changes in usage are duly reflected" (emphasis mine). — Again, this is not about governments officially changing names, but about some of those changes being adopted in common English usage.

In other points, you argue again about Kyiv being the correct, legal, official form. However, our naming conventions rely mainly on "common English usage", and refuse to even contemplate the issue of "correctess". – Again, feel free to propose (at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)) changes in our naming conventions to contemplate your opinions on the issue.

In the case of Lvov/Lviv, once more what matters is not whether the name was officially changed to the modern Ukrainian language, but whether that change was adopted (or not) in common English usage. If most post-1993 English-language publications use the name Lviv, then the article is named correctly, irrespective of the name's official status in Ukraine. If most post-1993 English-language publications use the name Lvov, then the article should be moved to "Lvov".

In any case, the central place to discuss the issue of "Kyiv vs Kiev" is Talk:Kiev/naming, while proposals to change our naming conventions should be made at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions or Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). - Best, Ev (talk) 16:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Pardon my annoyance, but just to make it clear. First of all, this statement [Kiev] was occupied when Ukraine was conquered by Russians in 1920. you pulled out of context which can be interpreted as my limited knowledge of my native history. In truth it could be the subject of a debate. But, let's not accented upon that. The modern or contemporary for that matter English has cases of use the name of Kyiv in publications and news media although not as wide as the other variation. Nonetheless Kyiv continues to spread and gets accepted. The article mentioning Kyiv discrimitively comments to that version. What is the purpose of those commets beside their implication that Ukrainian culture has no historical background?

Second of all, Lviv was written in Roman alphabet as Lwow from XIV through XIX century and was well established way of spelling until the Soviet hegemony, Kyiv on the other hand was transliterated into Kiev in mid of XVIII if not XX. Until then it was spelled with the Polish transliteration which gets accepted in English "painlessly".

And last, you mentioning of English in Ukraine are right that English is not the official language in the country (and never will, hopefully) and not even the secondary. Nevertheless, that does not mean anything beside, maybe, some weird implication regarding the education in Ukraine. :) Yes, I am sensative when it concerns my native land. My bottom line is that the conventions that you are refering me have different ways interpretations. It seems to me as we are pursuing different ideas. I am implying that the name was changed and you are suggesting that the name was re-transliterated. I guess if the name have changed into Novokyivsk then your arguement would be dropped as in case of Stalingrad and Sverdlovsk. Am I right? :) Is it possible, at least, to get rid of the comment about the Monopoly which implies that spelling of Kyiv being influenced from the outside? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, there's no annoyance in this. :-) Three points:

• If the name of the Ukrainian capital were to be changed to Novokyivsk or, better yet, Aleksandrgrad, the name used on the English-language Wikipedia would depend on whether that new name is adopted in common English usage. If after the official name change to Aleksandrgrad most English-language publications continue to refer to the city as Kiev, Wikipedia would passively reflect that common English usage and continue to use the name Kiev.

  However, if at any point in time this common English usage changes to anything other than Kiev (be it Kyiv, Novokyivsk, Aleksandrgrad or something else), then the English-language Wikipedia would passively reflect this new common English usage, and use that name instead of Kiev.

  In other words, our naming conventions ask us to restrict ourselves to passively reflect the usage attested in most English-language publications (our reliable sources). If they change, so do we. — Etymology, history, politics, diplomacy & correctness are not issues our current naming conventions contemplate. Actual usage in English is the key.

  Personally, I think that Ukrainian editors would do best by letting this whole naming issue in the hands of American, British & Australian editors. If at some point the latter feel that any form other than Kiev is the one they recognize more easily, they themselves will propose to change that article's title.

  The city's general importance, rich history and magnificent cultural & artistic heritage assure it constant mentions in English-language publications. If at some point I start to see more mentions of Kyiv than of Kiev in the newspapers, TV, magazines & books I read, I myself will propose to change that article's title. :-)

• These conventions have only one correct interpretation (although perhaps they lack clarity, and could use better wording). Feel free to consult about it at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions or Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). The regulars there will tell you the same things I'm mentioning here.
• Personally, I would remove that rather ridiculous mention of Monopoly without a second thought. However, my involvement in that article has so far been limited to the attepts to change its title to Kyiv (issue discussed at Talk:Kiev/naming).

  If you want to make any change to that article's content, simply propose it at Talk:Kiev (although we editors are encouraged to be bold, the manner in which this whole issue affects some people's sensibilities means that discussing there first is probably the best course of action).

Best regards, Ev (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think this discussion is productive... I noticed that while a lot of people write Kyiv (and not Kiev) a lot of people also write Lugansk (instead of the correct form of the city's name Luhansk), Dnepropetrovsk (in stead of Dnipropetrovsk) and Kharkov (in stead of Kharkiv), I think we can make better use of our time if we correct all the Ukrainian city names mistakes (not sure if there always mistakes or nationalist statments...) usings EV's format (Dnepropetrovsk → Dnipropetrovsk ((to reflect common English usage & for consistency with those articles)) instead of "fighting" about Kiev vs. Kyiv all the time... — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm flattered. :-) Ev (talk) 16:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

You are saying that I should be consistent with the naming for the city. However the article mentions the usage for the city's name as I write. So, why do you keep on changing the names when it is an accepted usage in the international community and mentioning something about the consistency? Please, refer to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)#Divided usage which states that there are no particular rules as long as it is the least surprising to the reader. So, the people who study the international laws and will be researching about Ukraine have potential in running into a great degree of confusion while observing the official documents that have spelling different than wikipedia does. Would not you agree? Now, who else might be interested in the study of the Ukraine's capital and not be aware of potential difference in spelling usage? Not that many. The articles that I wrote pretty much based on history. The usage romanized version of Ukrainian spelling of most city's in that country in that period is missing as the Soviet censorship got rid of them. I am simply following the scientific transliteration and the transliteration that was officially accepted by the parliament of Ukraine in that regard as they were used in actual official documents. I do not really see in wikipedia when people actually agreed on a particular usage of the form that you are promoting. I will be awaiting your explanation. Respectfully, Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Consistency is based on the title of our articles. Yes, the body of the article on the Ukrainian capital mentions both forms (Kiev & Kyiv), since both are used in English. However, it's the article's title that is used as basis for internal consistency within Wikipedia. — Our naming conventions for geographic names currently mention this in their 3rd general guideline: "3. The contents (this applies to all articles using the name in question): The same name as in the title should be used consistently throughout the article." In the case of the Ukrainian capital, this means that "[In] all articles [mentioning the Ukrainian capital] the same name as in the title [of the article on the Ukrainian capital] should be used consistently throughout the article." — There are two main objectives behind this idea: to offer our readers the benefits of internal consistency and to avoid having to repeat the naming discussions ad nauseam in every single article mentioning a certain place (instead, we deal with the issue in one single place, and then automatically apply the result of that centralised discussion to all articles).

Divided usage does not apply to simple mentions of the city, because in the case of the Ukrainian capital a) there's no "evenly divided usage" (Kiev clearly remains the form most anglophones would most easily recognise) and b) "other guidelines do [...] apply" (namely, our policy on article titles & our naming conventions for geographic names, with the issue specifically addressed in its 3rd guideline). — In any case, someone studing international laws and researching about Ukraine is probably aware of the little naming issue; and if not, he will learn about it soon enough. :-) And better to "greately confuse" that specific subset of users, and not the majority of our readership for which "Kiev" remains the most recognizable form.

You said: I am simply following the scientific transliteration and the transliteration that was officially accepted by the parliament of Ukraine in that regard as they were used in actual official documents..

The English-language Wikipedia does not use scientific transliterations, forms accepted by any parliament, used in actual official documents, or whose usage is accepted in the international community. We follow common English usage (per our policy on article titles), and reflect it consistently in all our articles (an issue specifically addressed in the 3rd guideline of our naming conventions for geographic names). — Of course, you're free to propose changing the way we approach these issues at Wikipedia talk:Article titles and Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names).

You said: I do not really see in wikipedia when people actually agreed on a particular usage of [Kiev.]

The usage of "Kiev" for the Ukrainian capital was last agreed upon in October-November 2009 (permanent link). The issue had been addressed previously in July 2007, September 2007, February 2008 and September 2008.

You said: ...the form that you are promoting.

I'm not promoting any form. Wikipedia is not a place to promote the usage of certain names/forms. I merely attempt to assure that our articles comply with our current policies & guidelines.

Best regards, Ev (talk) 21:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Related argument I can draw with usage of the Ukraine which was accepted before the Independence of the Ukrainian SSR. Most of members of wikipedia acknowledge that it has nothing to do with politics or history. However, if you are to ignore, that does it make the encyclopedia scientific? That only reflects a total ignorance as Ukraine was accepted throughout the English-speaking community while being totally disrespected within. Respectfully, Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. - Best, Ev (talk) 21:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

As I see I am not the only one who vouch for such spelling on your talk page. Maybe you ought to listen to those petitions. Your statement about some accepted usage or whatever you call it either shows disrespect to the official request that was made back in 1991 by the government of Ukraine or your fellow wikipedians prefer to follow it. In my opinion and because wikipedia does state that it is free the naming policy should be left open as long as it has some academic or official grounds and it is not offensive to general public. The spelling of the name was accepted by the government of Ukraine which is elected by the population of nearly 50 million people. Are to ignore such representation and follow some newspaper articles written by who-knows-whom? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:39, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Aleksandr, our policy on article titles and our naming conventions for geographic names ask us to reflect common English usage. For the specific purpose of choosing names in the English-language Wikipedia, official requests by any government are just as irrelevant as etymology, history, politics, diplomacy & correctness. — Of course, you're free to propose that such official requests by governments be taken into account at Wikipedia talk:Article titles and Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). — The repeated complaints only show that some editors either don't know, don't understand or don't want to follow the current policies & conventions of the English-language Wikipedia. - Best, Ev (talk) 21:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Award (again :))))

		The Order of Bohdan Khmelnytsky - 3rd degree
		I give you this award because you wrote tons of new Ukrainian related articles the past months! Keep it up! — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 14:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

You can also post your new articles on Portal:Ukraine/New article announcements so that other Wikipedians can find them and expand them (these days I post your (in my opinion most interesting) articles there). — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 14:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Flags in Airport Articles

Hello - In case you were unaware, flags are not to be used in airport articles, per longstanding editor consensus. Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 03:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Vasyl Kardash

Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced biography of a living person: Vasyl Kardash. Our verifiability policy requires that all content be cited to a reliable source. Please add references as soon as possible. Thanks! --LaraBot (talk) 00:10, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi

		The Editor's Barnstar
		Your contributions are always excellent. Keep up the good work. Ostap 18:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Kiev Arsenal January Uprising

I think you should do some major copy-editing of your contributions to the article. "Kyivan", "Bilshoviks", etc. should not be used alongside with commonly accepted English equivalents in Wikipedia. Also, what is "sturm"? Garik 11 (talk) 09:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought that is an universal word. I guess not really:) Sturm in many languages means a military maneuver like a charge, when soldiers attack at no cost like storming of bastille. That is weird, but for some reason the only meaning for a storm on English Wikipedia is only for a weather. The maneuver I tried to describe is more than just a charge. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:24, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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Druha Liha updates

Be careful when updating Druha Liha information when you only have the live online reports from ua-football. Yesterday there were 3 wrong scores - 2 of them were from Hrupa B the other was FC Morshyn-Bukovyna Chernivtsi. Usually the final score is given 0-0 but in fact whats happening is that noone is giving ua-football live reports. It usually takes a day to get to PFL to update the correct scores. Just be aware that you may have to go back and reedit or wait and update standings when PFL gets the official result. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 17:12, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

re: EpiCentre K

Dear Aleksandr,
EpiCentre K article may not be an advertisement, yet it appears to be written as one. Such wording as "distinguished national network" or "an impressive run of store constructions" does not ring neutral to me. Furthermore, the delight about company's achievements is too explicit as the text is really saturated with pride. I don't know about you, but when I read articles like these, I get suspicious. Above all, this is simply not an encyclopedic approach to writing. That's why advert tag was inserted.
As for your disappointment re the portrayal of Ukraine's economic potential, I partly share it. But I also think that before enlightening "English speaking world", we better learn the proper way to do it first - especially, if we use wikipedia as our main tool.
P.S. BTW, I never nominated the article for speedy deletion.
Best,
Invest in knowledge (talk) 08:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Well absolutely. I actually have some experience in editing business/economy related articles. See PFTS index and Parus Business Centre, for example. Soon I plan to update Mirax Plaza and also do some work on EpiCentre K.

Best,

Invest in knowledge (talk) 06:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Druha Liha A updates

Where did you get the Druha liha A results for Ros' - Bukovyna???? The game has NOT been played yet!!! Brudder Andrusha (talk) 17:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

The online updates are not from PFL, they are from ua-football.com which as you know is the media which covers football in YKPAIHA. They are invariably wrong with the scores as I have pointed out previously. If you look at the "Calender of Matches" from PFL you will see that the Ros - Bukovyna match is scheduled for August 23. That should be reasonable because both Arsenal Bila Tserkva and Ros' share the home ground in Bila Tserkva and Arsenal had a home game against PFC Sevastapol today. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 17:29, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Galicia Diet

Very interesting, will you expand the article? If you do so, consider adding inline references and nominating it for the front page exposure at T:TDYK. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:12, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Makhno

Didn't mean to add that back in, was concerned about the other stuff. Zazaban (talk) 05:32, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Grammar clean up is great, much needed. :) But my concern was about the removal of any mention of anarchism, which it is well established, and sourced, to have been based on. Zazaban (talk) 05:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Borotbists

Hi. I reverted your edits at Ukrainian Social-Revolutionary Party. The Borotbists were a splinter group of the USRP, and according to the article the USRP ceased to exist in 1917, and the Day article clearly refers to post-1917 situation. --Soman (talk) 06:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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Aleksandr, I have no opinion regarding whether the current spelling is proper or improper nor am I, frankly, too interested in finding out what the best title for this article should be. However, what most certainly is improper is the way you went about changing the title. As I said before, and as this guideline would attest, "if you just want to change the title of an article do not copy-paste – use the move tool or make a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves instead." My revert was not about which spelling is the best, it was about our licensing requirements, preserving the history of the contributions, and proper procedure. You are welcome to move the article to whatever title you think works best, just please do it properly and not via a copy-paste move. If you need assistance with the technical side of this procedure, please let me know, I'll be happy to help. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:22, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for that.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:28, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Aleksandr, I have reverted some of your copy-paste moves like this. Please do not start doing that again. Garik 11 (talk) 09:11, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

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Is Khmelnytsky an Eastern Catholic Christian?

Could you tell me... is Khmelnytsky an Eastern Catholic Christian? Please write on Talk:Bohdan Khmelnytsky. --Kinno Angel (talk) 07:28, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Viktor Yanukovych

I'm not a fan of Viktor Yanukovych either, but placing his spelling mistakes in a completely illogical order in the "Cultural and political image" does nobody any good.... it actually might make him look no better then us... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 01:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the comments on the article Ukrainian Grammar. I wrote most of the article myself. Дякую Вам за Ваші гарні слова. Юрій (Woollymammoth (talk) 16:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC))

uke transliteration

New one came out just now - see here--Bandurist (talk) 00:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Kuban

Because I mindlessly copied the terminology from the Soviet-era source I used... Thanks for catching this.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 07:51, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

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List of Ukrainian rulers

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lost reference

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Things That Make You Go Hmmm...

This was my mistake and I barley speak Ukrainian let alone Russian... ! — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 08:08, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Things That Make You Go Even More Hmmm...

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Rs Dišljenković nationality

Hi Aleksandr. I think you are missing the point here. I´m not being "possesive" with him... I don´t care he becomes Ukranian, I even insist in not necessarily considering people by their nation of birth. But the case is different. With footballers, their nationality is considered primarily by the national team they represent or represented. Then are other factors. I gave you the exemple of Sheva, OK, I wasn´t thinking, but you have an enormous amount of players having passports of the countries they play (Mihajlovic has Italian citizenship, and many more...). I will give you a more familiar exemple: Marko Dević, he is a Serbian having a Ukranian citizenship but, since he played for Ukraine national team, he should be considered Ukranian footballer. But, that isn´t the case for Disljenkovic, and he did represented Serbia internationally, so he is Serbian. You can simply mention his "papper nationality" status in the text, as I did, explaining he has the Ukranian passport (was there already) and that he will play as "domestic" in Ukranian league. Franco Alves de Souza has Serbian passport, but he is Brazilian, the fact that he can play as "domestic" in Serbia, and holds Serbian passport doesn´t change it, and specially wouldn´t if he eventually had played for Brazil, as Disljenkovic did for Serbia.

The national team is allways primary in the nationality choice... Only if players didn´t played for national teams there can be options. Regards. FkpCascais (talk) 21:39, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I knew that, but we are talking about a footballer mainly, and I´m sorry, but the wikipedia football related biographies have been donne that way, and I agree. Marko Dević is Ukranian footballer (Unkranian international, of Serb origin) and Vladimir Dišljenković is Serbian footballer (Serbian international, with Ukranian citizenship) and Yekaterina the Great is Russian because she was "Russian" statesman, same as Disljenkovic Serbian national team former player. And Disljenkovic or Devic are not Serbian-Ukranian or Ukranian-Serbian players, but Serbian (Disljenkovic) and Ukranian (Devic). FkpCascais (talk) 22:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

You don´t understand me. I´m not defending this because I like it that way, but because wikipedia roles are donne this way:

FOR WIKIPEDIA FOOTBALLERS: NATIONALITY = NATIONAL TEAM (FIRST).

I don´t know where that role is written, but you can ask in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. This issue was debated there, not about Disljenkovic, but some other cases long time before, and the general consensus was that in the lead, the players nationality is that of the national team he playes/played for. And I´m only sorry that I don´t remember now the exact order or priority about players that did not played for national teams, so I could tell them to you now. This issues were debated here long time ago, and many consensuses were reached, it is on us, wikipedia editors, to follow them, liking them, or not. It has nothing to do with me liking or not Ukraine, or liking or not that he did the passport swich... It has nothing to do with personal opinions, but with wikipedia roles.

Thanx for supporting Serbia, but I am doing that edit because wikipedia articles are donne that way, and not because I like it, or not... :) FkpCascais (talk) 22:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, it is not a trivia question, but a very good one, and as I remember, the consensus reached was to use the most recent national team or the one he has more caps with. I personally hate this solution, because it may leave room for edit wars, if the player played less matches for the most recent national team, but this was the conclusion. Of course, you can allways writte, exemple: an Soviet/Ukranian or Yugoslav/Serbian or combinations like those.

You can allways find articles that don´t follow this, but if you correct them this way, you can be sure you will be right. I would like to find this discussion, but it is somewhere in the Talk:football archives...

From the exemples you gave: Puskas is considered Hungarian because he played vastly more for Hungary that Spain, beside Spain being the more recent one; Di Stefano has a more complete lead, and it says "Argentine-Spanish"... ; and Tsveiba it says "Soviet and Russian" I supose because he played the most (18) for SSSR, and Russia the last.

I also participated in that debate because I wanted to know exactly which nationality to consider the players for multiple nationalities cases for the lists of foreign players in different contries and leagues. FkpCascais (talk) 22:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

But we can´t avoid it here. Disljenkovic did play for a national team, and only rare cases of players without country, or something like that, could maybe have the nationality abscent... Please, he played for the Serbian national team, spend most of his career as Serbian, and only now, at the end of his career, when he was already told by the national team coach that he may not be selected for the World Cup, that he opted for changing nationality for Ukranian, so he wan´t count as foreigner while playing in Ukraine... There is nothing wrong or polemical about it. And the fact that he posseses Ukranian passport is adequatly mentioned in the article. FkpCascais (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Don´t warry, I saw the comments added to his page... The problem is that for the general public in Serbia, the case was showed in that perspective, but the trouth is that Stojkovic was allways the number one goalkeeper for Antic (NT coach), and there is competition between him and Isailovic, Brkic, Avramov, Ilic and Kahriman for the susbtitute places. Stojkovic will be for sure the NT goalkeeper in the WC, and as the national team is very much used as a way of marketing for selling players, the decision was made to call, beside Stojkovic, some other two younger goalkeepers, being the 24 years old Brkic, Vojvodina (domestic club) a sure option. Since Disljenkovic is old and plays out of Serbia, there is no financial interess in having him sitting in the bench in South Africa, so this "passport change" was an "elegant way" of saying he wan´t be in the World Cup. I just not sure the "elegancy" worked out for Disljenkovic so well in public view of all in Serbia, but anyway, the majority understand it, and the Metalurg club officials are very pleased, so they can have filded another foreign player in the league matches. This way also, the issue was solved so Disljenkovic wan´t be going trough a situation of not being called for the World Cup, and the national team management wan´t be found guilty for not calling him, in case of a bad result there.

About the words said in the page, don´t warry, this kind of vandalism is unfortunatelly not that uncomun here... In this case the meaning of "Ciganska" doesn´t mean Gypsy in perjorative sense, but Red Star Belgrade fan, as they are called "Cigani" - "Gypsies", and he was a Red Star player. Picka is another story :) But that is not sefinitelly what most people feel about him, that reflects a view of a few ignorant kids (I beleve). This guys don´t understand that for Disljenkovic, sitting in the bench of a NT, or worse, not even be called, it is just not worth it anymore... FkpCascais (talk) 00:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Personally, me, and many people from Serbia agree, don´t simpatize much with Stojkovic, and an experient and great goalkeeper like Disljenkovic would be the best solution, but Stojkovic must have some strong backing up (he doesn´t even played with at club level in many periods, and he was allways the favourite). FkpCascais (talk) 00:16, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

He is my favourite goalkeeper. Serbia has quite a nice team, remembering much of the old Yugoslavia semi-glorious period. But, Serbia never had good goalkeepers. It was allways the weakest point, and still is. In Serbia, it was allways usual to have strong domestic squads with non-Serb or foreign goalkeepers...

And the coach has donne an excellent job, has been very professional, but I supose with quite a complete team of solid players, the goalkeeping place was the only one where they could have some young "selleble" players. ("selleble", does that word exists?). Anyway, I hope it wan´t cost us a tournament, but I completely understand Disljenkovic. He was fed up, and he decided to dedicate to the club, which is honestly the one wich is paying him to play, and where he seems to feel very confortable.

But you know now: a player can be Tunguzian with Tanzanian passport, if he played for England, he is English footballer... FkpCascais (talk) 00:56, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Ukrainian SSR people's names at birth

Hi Aleksandr! Sorry to disturb you, but I have a little question about Ukrainian names at USSR times and I think you can clear my doubts: a person born in the Ukrainian SSR had his name on his birth certificate/register office entry (or whatever used to record births in the UkSSR) written in Ukrainian Cyrillic or Russian Cyrillic? Priority was given to Russian, I suppose... so, for example, Andriy Shevchenko was born Андрей Николаевич Шевченко and not Андрій Миколайович Шевченко. Am I right? Do you know how it worked in the other Soviet Republics? Thank you really much...! --necronudist (talk) 09:33, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the useful explanation, Aleksandr. So the "native" habits of the SSR's people were respected. Does this also mean that the use of the patronymic wasn't forced in Republics where it isn't part of the local customs? (e.g.: Baltic states). If you know, obviously. Thank you really much anyway! --necronudist (talk) 15:19, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure but... was the patronymic compulsory? --necronudist (talk) 15:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

There's no need to be free will oppressors to declare patronymic compulsory... it's only a matter of standards and bureaucracy. Since USSR was an higly bureaucratic state, I thought patronymic and Russian naming customs were compulsory (okay, even alongside "local" customs). I'm not a Soviet Union expert (although I'm an amateur of linguistic and anthroponymy)... that's why I asked :-P However, you've been really kind and your explanations are really interesting! Now I can easily guess that, e.g., Mart Poom was born both Mart Poom and Март Поом 'cause in Soviet Union's birth official documents were used both local scripts and Russian Cyrillic. --necronudist (talk) 16:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

History of Kiev

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Thanks for your intervene. By the way, I was blocked for 12 hours by Fut.Perf. ☼. - Regards, Mibelz (talk), 09:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi! In principal, I agree with you, but not in details. First of all, Bohdan Khmelnytsky was not a Polish magnate. Whether Khmelnytsky was or wasn't a noble is uncertain to this day. Certainly he himself claimed nobility when it suited him, and it wasn't often disputed by his contemporaries. Khmelnytsky himself once wrote in the letter to the king John II Casimir Vasa that he was born Chmielnicki - however that surname was never associated with the Abdank Coat of Arms he used. His father, Mykhailo Khmelnytsky (Michał Chmielnicki), a noble himself (Polish: szlachcic), was married to a Cossack woman and according to the Polish Statute of 1505 that might have put Bohdan's nobleman status under scrutiny. There are other theories; that his father or grandfather were stripped of their noble status, or perhaps most controversial, the theory of 19th century Polish historian Tomasz Padura, who based on unknown sources claimed that Chmielnicki's father was a Jewish convert to Catholicism (?!).

Second, Bohdan Khmelnytsky, as a ruler of the Cossack Hetmanate, signed not only the Treaty of Pereyaslavl in January 1654, but also the Treaty of Zboriv in August 1649, a homage in Chyhyryn in October 1650, the Treaty of Bila Tserkva in September 1651, and the Treaty of Radnot in December 1656. The last one envisaged a partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Third, the Treaty of Hadiach was ratified by the Diet in May 1659 with the Cossack negotiated gains however substantially reduced. The Duchy of Ruthenia (Polish: Księstwo Ruskie) within the Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian Commonwealth included Kiev Voivodeship, Bratslav Voivodeship, and Chernigov Voivodship (the Cossack negotiators, i.e. polkovnyk Kryshtof Lasko (Krzysztof Łasko), had originally demanded that Podolia, Volhynia, and Red Ruthenia be included as well). So, the Kiev Voivodeship was never abolished. - Warm Regards, Mibelz (talk), 20:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

PS. Bohdan Khmelnytsky was born into a Ruthenian noble family with Polish roots. There were strong differences amongst the nobility, between the magnates (aristocrats) and the gentry (szlachta) or village noblemen (szlachta zaściankowa) in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. See http://cejsh.icm.edu.pl/cejsh/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?06PLAAAA00641615 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szlachta, please.

Thanks for reply. Yes, I know that Zhytomyr became the capital (seat) of the Kiev Voivodeship without Kiev, actually in 1667, and eventually in 1686, and remained until 1793 in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. - Mibelz (talk), 22:48, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Odessa Military District

Thanks for your helping addition of the exact time of transfer of responsibility from Soviet Union to Ukraine for the Odessa Military District. Could you please add a source for that? Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 19:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Suggestion

Hi aleksandr,

Please share your thoughts at Talk:Global warming, the place to discuss the article, not my talk page. Thanks. Graham87 02:33, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

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Prison population of Ukraine

For the article (new) Prison population of Ukraine I tried to find the number of prisons in Ukraine; but couldn't found that... Since you edited on Ministry of Internal Affairs (Ukraine) recently I thought you made be able to find that number fast. If you like, please do that.
— Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 13:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know every oblast seat has at least one, so it makes 25-27 nation-wide at the minimum.

Thanks , I found the 2000 numbers googling with the numbers you gave me . — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 14:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice! I could not even find the correctional department at the main MVS website. I know a little bit from history that in the Soviet times and earlier Imperial Russia, correctional department was a special directorate. During the Soviet times it changed hands between different Ministries due to poor managing (that is my own speculation). It was under close cooperation with MVS or NKVD, yet a separate independent to a certain degree department. The correctional system in the former Soviet Union is still under certain degree of classification and the information about its activity is poorly disclosed to the public or not even at all. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Happy Easter!

Happy Easter!
This year on the same day's in the East and West! — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 16:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, He was resurrected! Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:14, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

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I can't make heads or tail from Ukrainian political party's anyhow... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 13:29, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I think you want to know this: Forward, Ukraine! has renamed itself into People's Self-Defense Political Party. Dont know what this means for Yuriy Lutsenko's People's Self-Defense and Civil Movement "People's Self-Defense". I presume they will be merged in this new party. Let me please know if you know more. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 15:02, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Location map

Hi. Was there ever any discussion after which it was decided to change location map marker to 4x4 px? Or did you do this on your own? -NineInchRuiner (talk) 08:27, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Hellooo --NineInchRuiner (talk) 23:34, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Given Names

Oh, I know all about the translit guides. Doesn't wiki endorse the BGN though? I guess my question was more a "should we always use the national guide EXACTLY AS IT STATES if there is no common use" for a bio? Or should we use the common variants of given names (ie, Serhiy over Serhii) as a rule of thumb. Like, is Vyacheslav more common than Viacheslav? Should we use the most common variant of the given name, or translit according to national standard?--Львівське (talk) 20:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, national rules say use double vowels to end names, so what's your take on that?--Львівське (talk) 21:22, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, according to the updated law, link, double vowels are to be used for given names (eg. Andrii)--Львівське (talk) 21:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I guess my confusion is: do we do official transliteration, which goes against wiki policy of using BGN, or do we use the most common translit, following wiki common-use guidelines.--Львівське (talk) 22:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Does the name Ihnat exist in Ukraine? Or would Ignat be the proper translit? It doesn't seem to be very popular, would this be a case where Ge (ґ) is used? --Львівське (talk) 17:21, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. The reason I asked was there is an article I want to start on a person who uses such a name, but all most sources are in Russian, and I didn't want to translit as "Ihnat" if the name truly is Ignat. I'll use Ge, I guess in the Ukr translation. That's correct to use in such an instance, right? --Львівське (talk) 18:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

PFTS INDEX

Hello. Why did you delete the table of market records statistics in this edit? And why do you talk about Ukrainian Stock Exchange in an article devoted to PFTS index? These are two different things... Invest in knowledge (talk)

It was way outdated, like two years, while stock exchange changes on daily basis. What was the purpose of the record then? Second of all I did not say a word in article about the Ukrainian Stock Exchange except provided a link as it also based in Ukraine. I was talking about PFTS Stock Exchange, my apologies. That needs to be corrected. I like the annual records that the Russian and the Ukrainian versions provide with volume of trading, but the monthly records is way overkill. Decennial records would be even better, but the index was not around that long. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I think it's perfectly OK to show key milestones, just like in the S&P 500. In case of PFTS index 100-point benchmarks were broken on a monthly basis, yes. So what? The market was booming, that's all. PFTS Index currently covers 20 companies, so everything you said fits better into here and probably not under market statistics section.Invest in knowledge (talk)

Chaos in Ukraine's parliament

Please, can you halp me in expanding article: Chaos in the Ukrainian parliament during a debate over the extension of the lease on a Russian naval base 2010 before it is deleted? Pleckaitis (talk) 10:39, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Goalie stats

Template:Infobox football biography 2 states quite clearly that the "(Gls)" stands for goals that the player has been awarded in league competition only for each professional club. There are goalies with quite a substantial number of goals, for example Hans-Jörg Butt, so the numbers are not always zero.

There are no different infoboxes for goalkeepers and other players and the consensus at WP:FOOTY is (as far as I know) to treat them in the same way. If you want to change this, please start a discussion at WT:FOOTY. One reason why I would not like to list the goals a goalkeeper allowed is that this information might not be available for most of the goalies. --Jaellee (talk) 19:33, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Most (as far as I know all) of Butt's goals were penalties. During his Hamburger SV spell, he was the standard penalty scorer for his team.

About consensus, I started a discussion about special infoboxes for goalkeepers at WT:FOOTY. You can find there a lot of editors with a strong interest in football. Topics like the content and the layout of football players' infoboxes are discussed there. So if you would like to have special infoboxes for goalkeepers or negative goals, just convince the majority of the editors. You can find the discussion here.

Also, if you disagree with my interpretation what "goals awarded" means (I think it is "goals scored") you should maybe ask the guys there. --Jaellee (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

HAPPY VICTORY DAY!!!

✯ С Днём Победы! ✯
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Hi!!!

I notice that you are also from the Lviv Oblast, I am from Lviv and it is nice to meet you . A.h. king • Talk to me! 15:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I also added a Wikilink to the word "reunification" in the userbox of Romanian-Moldovan reunification on your userpage . A.h. king • Talk to me! 15:44, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the song

Thank you for the song, I wish you a very pleasant holiday . A.h. king • Talk to me! 15:48, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

People's Committee to Protect Ukraine

Looking at your edit history I thought you might find (this new article I created) People's Committee to Protect Ukraine of interest.
— Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 14:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Yanukovych and wreath

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On May 17, 2010 during the visit of the President of Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev Viktor Yanukovych was attacked by a pine wreath. The wreath assault was later aired on several national channels (1+1, STB, Shuster Live, others). Even though the accident was censored as much as possible on the Russian internet it continues to beat records outside of it. The incident stirred numerous creative ideas in Ukraine and abroad and was named as the Pine Struggle (Ukrainian: Ялинковий спротив). The event was coincided with the Yanukovych's intent to sign the agreement with the Russian Federation to give up some of the Ukrainian territories in Crimea. Viktor Yanukovych called it demilitation (Russian: демилитация). The Kievan Brotherhood society filed criminal charges on the presidential escort for their negligence.

Apparently some Garik 11 does not like this fact and keeps on deleting it. He calls it gibberish. That incident also is mentioned on the other versions of wikipedia. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Non-notable, non-encyclopedic. Also, Pravda isn't a reliable source. LokiiT (talk) 18:48, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

You called it non-notable!? How is that not notable when it is notable? That fact stirred precedents for censorship in the country. It is mentioned outside of what you referred to as Pravda. Another question. What is in your definition of a reliable source? Google books? BBC? Why can't Ukrainian Pravda be as reliable as BBC? What are the factors that deny it to be nominated as reliable? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I will leave the adminhelp tag so that others can give their views, but in my opinion, though the sources may be reliable and I do not doubt that the incident happened, it is trivial and without encyclopedic notability, per WP:NOTNEWS. JohnCD (talk) 19:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Other administrators are looking into it Sophie ^(Talk) 19:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Aleksandr, you are mistaken saying that I do not "like this fact". On the contrary, I find it very entertaining. Yet the reasons it should not be there are stated above by other users and also in my past comments. Please note that the article on Yanukovych is already in terrible shape and badly needs some major clean-up and copy-editing as shown by the templates "Inappropriate tone" and "POV". The kind of edits you keep supplying will lead us deeper into unencyclopaedic territory. Garik 11 (talk) 19:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflicts)

Other administrators are looking into it Sophie ^(Talk) 19:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

You do not need an admin; this is a content dispute. Admins have no special authority to decide of editorial content; they simply implement the will of WP:CONSENSUS.

Thus, you need to start a discussion on the article talk page. I'm guessing this is about Viktor Yanukovych, so you'd want to start a thread on talk:Viktor Yanukovych. Use clear, policy-based reasoning why you think something should/should not be in the article.

Remember that there is no deadline, so a discussion is the way to go; do not keep battling over the article - we don't want an edit war. Discuss, form a consensus, then change according to the agreements made.

If you are unable to reach agreement, there are many options. If it is two people, get a third opinion. Ask for more people to comment - try the talk pages of associated relevant project groups - ie leave a short note on the talk pages, asking people to 'please see the discussion on [[talk:Viktor Yanukovych]].

• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography
• Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Biography/Politics and government
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia

Refer to WP:DISPUTE. Ask for more help if you need it; leave a message on my own talk page; OR use a {{helpme}},OR talk to us live, with this or this.

That last one is handy. Best,  Chzz  ►  19:32, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

That is funny that Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia is included rather than Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ukraine. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

LokiiT should give his reasons to call Ukrayinska Pravda "not a reliable source". Cause for me they are! No they are not Yanukovych or Medvedev friendly, but there also not Tymoshenko or Yuchenko friendly. Ukrayinska Pravda is defiantly a reliable source in my book. Besides it's incredible rude to carelessly call the website "not a reliable source" since the owner was killed for the content on it. Please show some respect for this great man, Georgiy Gongadze, and his wife and children before writing this sort of, for me, insulting edits. Come up with better arguments then insulting sources. And at least state why Ukrayinska Pravda is suppose to be unreliable. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 22:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I had mistaken Ukrayinska Pravda for the less-than-credible tabloid pravda.ru. Sorry for the confusion. LokiiT (talk) 23:04, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Glad we cleared this up. Mistakes can happen. No hard feelings! — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 23:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for listing the example of WikiProject Russia.

The original {{adminhelp}} did not actually say which article it was concerning.

When I first looked, I thought that it concerned Dmitry Medvedev - and began composing a reply, with ...I'm guessing this is about Dmitry Medvedev... and thus listed the project groups on Talk:Dmitry Medvedev as suggestions for further input.

I was unable to save that response due to edit conflicts.

Subsequently, I learned that the problem was about Viktor Yanukovych, so I corrected the text to ...I'm guessing this is about Viktor Yanukovych... - but I did not correct the project groups to those on Talk:Viktor Yanukovych - which are, apparently, WikiProject Biography and WikiProject Ukraine.

I hope that clarifies.  Chzz  ►  23:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

All is forgiven . I just wanted to make sure Chzz would never forget Ukraine . — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 09:46, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Ukrainian diaspora in Europe, Americas, and the rest of this huge world.

There are so many and many Ukrainians that keep their customs, traditions, and their roots outside their home country and through generations, while most of today Ukrainians choose Russian language, culture, and history.

• Meet Stepan aka Ludwig from London, myspace website of a singer from London who sings Ridna Maty Moya. I guarantee you will fall in love with that song with a slight Halych accent.
• The Ukrainians, another music band from the British Isles Their song "Diaspora".
• Ukrainians in Kuban.
• Playing on the anti-Soviet musical instrument in Canada, Cheremshyna na Bandura.
• Bandura in Krakow.

Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 07:11, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Kiev Governorate

Hi, Aleksandr! Wondering if you would be able to help me. I was working on parsing this document trying to add the lists of the original cities to the governorate articles. I was more or less able to map them to modern localities for Moscow and Saint Petersburg Governorates, and am fairly confident I'll be able to map most of the rest of them, but I got stuck on Kiev Governorate. I don't have much info on Ukraine, so matching the original cities with what is now often minor villages in Ukraine is a challenge. Is this something you can help with? Would you be interested to? Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 2, 2010; 13:24 (UTC)

That ukase is the very first one which established the governorates on the territory of Russia. It is interesting in that there were actually no borders of the governorates established, but rather each governorate was defined as a set of cities/towns. The uyezds were actually abolished at the same time. There's a little more about it here, although it's all unsourced (I know, I know... laziness is not a virtue :)).

"Prigorodki" were side-towns administered by posadniks from the larger cities; basically suburbs of those cities, although sometimes the distances were quite big. Pskov, for example, was considered to be the prigorodok of Veliky Novgorod until mid-14th century.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 2, 2010; 13:41 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Soviet Secondary Division seasons

Template:Soviet Secondary Division seasons has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Jameboy (talk) 15:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Picture of Snake Island

I have found that the picture [Snake Island] which you want to display at Portal:Ukraine/Featured picture is not being displayed at Portal talk:Ukraine/Featured picture. I am unfamiliar with what should be done. Please see my comments at [Portal talk:Ukraine]. --Fartherred (talk) 15:26, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

About foundation of Ukranian Comunist Party

You have modified in spanish wikipedia date and place of foundation of Ukranian Comunist Party. In the article were covered both possibilities: Taganrog in April and Moscow in July. I undo your modification, but open this item in discussion page of article. es:Shliahov 15:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Club seeding for 2010-11

See response here. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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Questioning your edits

The future proposed playoffs for the team finishing 16th in the Persha liha and second in Druha Liha is a proposal for the 2010-11 season. Your entry has been deleted from that article. What does it have to do with the just completed 2009-10 Persha Liha season??? Explain! I also question your rational of placing European competition results within the Ukrainian Premier League season. Those games are played in different competitions - NOT the Premier League. Again explain why you think those games need to be displayed in the season competiton of the Premier League. If anything those results need to be placed in an article "Football in Ukraine 2009-10". Brudder Andrusha (talk) 14:51, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Response

Brudder Andrusha, you asked me two questions on which I will gladly answer. The first question was in the regards of play-off games that are supposed to take place and the second was in regards to me putting the European performance of the clubs of Ukrainian Premier League.

1. The reason I included the information about the play-off games is because a decision was reached during one of the meetings of the Central Council of PFL. There on the proposition of the president of PFL Balchos the council decided to organize a such event. It was also decided that this intermediate competition is planned to take place the next year as well. I included the reference link to the Central Council's meeting release where you can check that information. It is not a proposition, as such came up about six months ago, but rather a decision that was accepted and awaits the completion of its organizational phase.

Just because the decision was brought up during the season it has NO impact on the competition for the 2009-10 season which is what the article is about. If a decision is going to be made, which probably will be June 24, that is - AFTER the completion of the 2009-10 season and impact will be on the next season 2010-11. So that is where information about changes to methods of classification goes. Hence, your inclusion was baseless because it has no bearing on the 2009-10 competition. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 17:21, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

1. The reason I include the European performance of the clubs of Ukrainian Premier League is because it is part of the League's calendar and the clubs of the League represent it at the continental competitions. Unlike other competitions the European performance also influences the development of events within the league. For example, Anatoliy Puzach was fired due to the fact that Dynamo yielded to Anderlecht 0:3 at home and 1:7 on aggregate (if I'm not mistaken). Mircea Lucescu stays as the head coach of Shakhtar more due to the successful performance of the Miners on the European Arena, rather then domestically. Besides, it is the members of no other league, but the premiers that participate in the continental competitions, except for the domestic cup representatives. The European competitions are also one of the main goals for almost any club and they are fully depend on the performance of the clubs at their domestic leagues. Also I included that section to filter it out from the main article which can be referred to for the further information. Note that the section is very simple and only identifies the clubs that during the season participated an the European competitions.

Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 14:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Again I disagree with your reason of including results of competitions which have their own separate articles and the clubs information is clearly described. You seem to lose focus that the article deals with "200x-201x Ukrainian Premier League" NOT including other competition as well. All other information is inconsequential to that competition which is what the article is about. Information about teams firing coaches during the season because of results in other competition should be in articles related to the team's season article such as what User:Ceriy created and kept up to date for 2009–10 FC Kremin Kremenchuk season or something like 2009–10 in English football or even 2009–10 in Ukrainian football. But even then the latter articles don't consider European competition games as part of their calendar. I am going to bring this up with Season's task force and get clarification on whether that information is valid to be included in a nation's top competition. I seriously doubt that is valid and you should be prepared to save those edits or include them in more appropriately titled articles because they could be deleted. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 17:21, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Sich riflemen

Hi

(If you place a POV tag you are supposed to put a reason in the talk page so it can be discussed)

THere was no need for that tag. A better way to deal with it would have been to place a different less overbearing one in there or to hide the text which seems to be incorrect.

Calling something POV is not the same as saying "this is incorrect"

thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 22:02, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I have replaced it with the factual accuracy disputed tag- that plus the explain you put in there shows more correctly the strange sentence for what it is, strange and needing hiding or explaining

Don't worry, I am on your side: if your side is the same as getting things right, factually accurate and NPOV lol :¬)

Chaosdruid (talk) 22:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Calm down now lol!

I have had enough trouble with people on the Polish side and the Ukrainian side getting all hot-under-the-collar over the past 3 years to know that the slightest little word can get a wholesale WikiWar started :¬)

I don't really think that you can call Ukrainians gangsters lol - especially those from Galicia - they were invaded by so many nations over the years I guess they just wanted to be their own country and to be left in peace.

And if I remember rightly, Poland has been invaded too - quite a few times

Chaosdruid (talk) 22:29, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Football articles

Hi m8

I have been trawling through the pages to get them sorted out and there are literally hundreds of Ukrainian football pages that have sever problems

I only ask cause the first three I looked at were your creations lol

2009 UEFA European Under-19 Football Championship : 2002 Ukrainian Amateur Cup : 2001 Ukrainian Amateur Cup

As you will see the 2001 and 2002 are full of redlinnks and as I know nothing about football and even less about Ukrainian football...well you know what I'm going to ask :¬)

Do you have any time to spend on some of them ? Chaosdruid (talk) 01:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I was talking about all of the Ukrainian football articles - those were just the first three I looked at.

Maybe think about getting the amateur ones deleted as they are just lots of redlinks in them all and as amateurs they do not really have enough notability if they were nominated for deletion (as per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2010_June_23#Club_Cultural_Casma)

In other words you would become our Ukrainian Football expert  :¬)

Chaosdruid (talk) 16:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

It was wrong of me to single you out I think :¬) so I will post it on the Ukr Ftbl page and send message to each member...

Chaosdruid (talk) 17:17, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I've done that now...Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ukraine/Football#Ukrainian_Football_articles and posted on Ahone, Brudder Andrusha, Ceriy and Noel baran pages

As i said - I only "picked on" you as you were the creator of them :¬)

I can see from the contribs that you are probably the most active out of the six or seven on the participants list also - I should have posted on the Ukr Ftbl page but there did not seem to be much activity on there

Sorry about that m8 - I should have done this in the first place and let all of them know rather than just asking you to do it :¬)

Chaosdruid (talk) 17:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Lviv new stadium

Hi

Can you keep an eye on this page Lviv New Stadium and update it when it get it's final name ? Let me know when you do update it as the disambiguation page will need to be changed as well :¬)

I cannot read Ukrainian so wouldn't be able to find out any info on it as Google translator is a bit crap lol

thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 22:51, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

WOW - so soon and so much !

Hi

I cannot believe how quickly you got in there and did that edit - nor can I believe the quality and the amount of work you have put in - and so :

I give you this Ukrainian Barnstar for your good work on Lviv New Stadium and how you responded so quickly to a request and put so much effort in

cheers ! Chaosdruid (talk) 03:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)




Well deserved award! Aleksandr is one of the most active members of Wikiproject Ukraine! — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 18:37, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

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Ratusha, Ivano-Frankivsk

Hello. I wanted to let you know that with a little expansion and a few more inline citations, Ratusha, Ivano-Frankivsk could qualify for Wikipedia's front page under WP:Did you know. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 19:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to help, but I don't know anything about Ukraine. You might want to try asking for help at WT:UKRAINE. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Ivan Franko's political affiliation

I think if we added the fact that Ivan Franko was a socialist (he was a founding member of the socialist Ukrainian Radical Party in Austria-Hungary), it would help people understand why the Soviets renamed Stanislaviv after a man who was also a Ukrainian nationalist. Thoughts? -- Jwkozak91 (talk) 05:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

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Are you active there? Need some help.--Galassi (talk) 13:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Patrice Martinez

What's wrong with the unsourced section tag? Everard Proudfoot (talk) 22:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

There are no sources in the section, which is why the unsourced section tag was used. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 22:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Anna Poslavska, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. MissAmericaGirl (talk) 22:21, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I apologize for accidently and wrongfully accusing you of vandalism. I was not familiar with that wording (Spectator's sympathy) and I guess I jumped to conclusion. I'm just used to people vandalizing these pages and I should have asked you about it first. After I sent you the message, I looked at some links and noticed that she had won something similar to a People's Choice so I changed it to that. I will change back your edits and I do apologize. I just had never heard that term before. MissAmericaGirl (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, thank you so much for sending me all those links! Could you explain to me what a Spectator's sympathy is? I'm just curious! Sorry again for that. I apologize and am very sorry about that!! MissAmericaGirl (talk) 03:50, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I found an article, that was one of the sources on the Miss Ukraine page, which stated that she had won People's Choice. It is at http://en.prichernomorie.com.ua/odesa/articles/Society/Sep%2006%202010/85.php -It was one of the few links in English that I was able to read. That is what I meant when I changed it. Sorry for the confusion! It might not have an exact translation, sometimes things sound a little confusing when they are translated from a different language. Sorry again! MissAmericaGirl (talk) 21:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I checked and that article was #3 on the Miss Ukraine page, hopefully that will help you find it! And also, I remember you said her name (Anna Poslavska) could be spelled (translated) differently into Poslavskaya. If you are interested, the alternate spelling can be added as an alias in the pageant titleholder box (see Ximena Navarrete). MissAmericaGirl (talk) 01:48, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh ok. Well feel free to change it in the article. You explain it better than me. My great-grandparents are actually Ukrainian and there is some question about the translated spelling of their last names as well. I guess it is very hard to translate it exactly because of the different alphabet. Thanks for clearing it up! MissAmericaGirl (talk) 00:01, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Ukrainian encyclopedias

Hi Aleksandr, can you convert this into Latin English? Thanks. Dr. Blofeld 20:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC) Thanks. I'm not sure though whether it should be the Latinized verison of the Ukrainian rather than pure English though...I want to transwiki these. Can you help me? I've started History of Cities and Villages in Ukrainian SSR. Dr. Blofeld 20:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Mining Encyclopedia... Dr. Blofeld 21:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah its odd but there appears to be no prominent others with that simple name in the Anglosphere world. A mining encylopedia is quite unusual but I know its a major sourc ein the Ukrainian as I saw it in the sources to some of the Ukrainian river articles i started. If you are interested in working with me to transfer a whole range of Ukrainian topics from Ukraini wiki let me know. I'd be happy to work with you. I need more of a guide for transwikying Cyrillic text as to the English eye it is virtually impossible to comprehend unlike say Slovenian which is Latinized. Dr. Blofeld 22:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Second Northern War

Thank you for your additions, they are much appreciated. I re-formatted the references to match the format of the other ones [5], and there is the page number missing in one of them. Maybe you can add it to the ref that now says "chpt. 82"? Thank you again. Skäpperöd (talk) 20:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Russian Bratva Structure

Hi, I was doing some research on the Russian Mafia and I found some information. I would like your help if you can tell me what is correct. I was thinking of adding it to the Russian Bratva Structure page.

• Information on Tattoos
  • The Four Suits:

1. Spades - the "suit of thieves", the symbol appears upside down
2. Clubs - another "criminal" suit
3. Diamonds - the "chummy suit" (i.e. stoolpigeons and informers); this suit is usually forcibly applied
4. Hearts - a sexual symbol; it may mark the wearer out as a "passive homosexual" within the prison

Other Symbols:

• • Cross - worn on the chest signifies a "Prince of Thieves," the highest possible rank. {is this for the boss (pakhan)?
  • Grins - these are humorous tattoos usually incorporating a grinning face and are often accompanied by text
  • Snakes - snakes have a particular symbolism and are usually worn by high ranking gang members
  • Tigers- signifies an enforcer
  • Cats- the cat is associated with the characteristics needed by a criminal
  • Skulls- these are usually worn by high ranking gang members
  • Eyes- these are forcibly placed on lower backside to show that the prisoner is used for sexual gratification
  • Barbed wire- A barbed wire across ones forehead usually indicates a life-term in prison.
  • Swastika- Is forcibly applied to forehead and marks one for death.
  • Stars- Stars commonly represent time served. Each point indicates a year served in jail.
  • Churches- like stars, but for Christian prisoners, the number of dome towers indicate the amount of years that the prisoner has been sentenced to.
  • Cathedral or Church - Depending on the number of towers a particular tattoo has, it usually refers to the number of years, or amount of times that individual has been incarcerated.
  • Cobweb - Usually designated for someone who has committed murder.
  • Cat or Cats - If there is a tattoo of a single cat, this means that the individual was a thief before being imprisoned. If there are multiple cats this means that the individual was part of a gang of thieves.
  • Stars - This seems to be the most recognized tattoo in the mainstream media. If the owner has stars on each of his knees, this mean's he will never bow down or never be brought to his knees. Stars on the shoulders are usually awarded when a particular individual has reached a criminal status or high ranking within the network - such as a Captain. Different types of stars mean different things as well.
  • Finger ring tattoos- there is a complex system with many types of ring tattoo Mostly awarded for underage crime (jail under 14 years of age)

• Second I found out that inside Russian Prison they also have structure

He offers a detailed analysis of the informal prison hierarchy, breaking it into three basic groups: blatniye, elite prisoners who make the rules and enforce the norms of this society; muzhiki, the second rank, prisoners who strive to maintain their autonomy in this society through labor; and the shestyorki, six groups of prisoners variously beholden to and abused by the "blatniye."

• Third I found out that term used for bank

Vorovskoi obshak - The communal fund made up of tributes to the Godfather, paid by members of the mob family and assorted racketeers under his protection. The money is used to bribe politicians and police, support families of criminals sent to prison, and pay off prison guards so mobsters behind bars do not have to break their backs with hard labor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gear926 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

First All-Union Census of the Soviet Union

nice job Decora (talk) 02:38, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Nikita

As an editor of dab Nikita, your input is invited at the merge discussion there. --Lexein (talk) 16:06, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

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Sich and Ukrainian Sich riflemen

Hi

I notice you are back onto those topics again :¬)

Can I just point out that you have changed the "battles" elements from Kiev Arsenal January Uprising|Struggle for Kiev 1918]], Ukrainian Civil War into World War I That is not a battle, it is a war. The battles were in fact correct before you deleted them and I am asking that you restore those.

Chaosdruid (talk) 03:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Crimean peninsula

I have reverted your change to this redirect as I can see no reason why an ancient Greeek word should take presedence over the modern name of a region. Afterall we call it Great Britain not Britannia; France, not Gaul. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 04:00, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

обласного or областного and i to y

Hi

I would appreciate some input here from more Ukrainian speakers/readers

thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 17:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Well

That's how the system worked, one common trait in which all-communist countries shares is that it was the party leader who was the de facto leader.. Anyhow, read the template; "Note: This navigational template includes persons which are also known as "President of Ukraine" (except for the First Secretaries). However, a more accurate title for some of them is "General Secretariat" or "Holovnyi Otaman", for example Symon Petliura." --TIAYN (talk) 23:39, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Greetings

Hello, I don't know if you remember, but in July, early August, you were involved in the Cuman page. I was the one who proposed that the Cumans could not have been Turkic, as it is virtually impossible in human genetics for a Turk, or Mongoloid to be blond and have blue eyes - nothing racist here at all, it just doesn't happen, anyone with common sense will see that. Basically I got the impression you kind of supported my reasoning, and even made an edit in the talk page which shows me that ( the Cuman or Kipchak talk page, dont remeber; by the way my argument here is for Cumans only, not Kiphaks,as I found out they were two different people - source:Cumans and Tatars book). My reasoning is logically sound, and I made a valid, important argument, who nobody else (surprisingly) thought of, or bothered to mention. For me bringing that up - I was hated, and eventually banned, which in the greater scheme of thinks doesn't make sense, as I made a good, logical point. I was really angry, but left it in the end, as I was busy. now I want to come back to it and do something about it - don't know what to do, as my edits are reverted by people who I presume are Turkic themselves, and the way I see it - they get angry and irritated - probably because they want that tribe to be Turkic no matter what, as they (editors) are Turkic - I don't know, but this problem needs to be solved. And in my added I didn't even assert anything - I used the words could have been, etc. Basically I am astounded, shocked and stunned that someone will hate me, think I am vandalising etc, for saying that someone with blond hair and blue eyes cant really be Turkic and could rather have been Iranic (as some of them, maybe plenty in ancient times, actually had blond hair and blue eyes). That is so logical and it makes sense - whats not to understand. And if someone doenst know how to reply, what to say, or doesn't know how to reply, they will just throw and twist around all the wiki rules at me, saying I dont have sources etc. But for something like this do I really need a source? (and I am surprised that I havent found a source yet, as this is an important issue). And they will aslo say its original research - but how can it be, its logic. I mean it is common sense for crying out loud. Not every tribe that lived in Asia has to be Turkic, and just because they spoke a Turkic language doesn't mean they are Turkic. A similar thing is the Bulgarians - they speak a Slavic language, but are not Slavic themselves ( A whole different issue, discussed on the talk page of Bulgars by me, latest section), as according to the latest and only DNA research on this topic, they are found to be very close to Iranic people, and very distant to Slavs (Bulgarians dont even look Slavic). And there is actually one rule - I dont know the exact link but it was "wikipedia:ignore all rules, or wikipedia:common sense" or something like that, where it says to ignore rules in favour for common sense, that could help in this issue - blond hair and blue eyes is not Turkic - common sense. I want to ask for your help, please, in editing the article and doing something about it. I feel very strongly about this, and think it is very, very unfair that my theory doesn't even get mentioned in the article, its not even a theory, it logic. if you comment or reply, please do it here, on your talk page in this section, as I havent got a talk page and my Ip changes often.

Kind Regards 41.132.178.176 (talk) 20:18, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you are right and I absolutely agree with you. There are some studies that have taken place, however, I did not find any solid references to provide for that topic thus far. The references that are currently at that article is also somewhat under question. In reality no one really certain how the cultures of the Great Eurasian Steppe has evolved. There are only some theories. Look at the history of Kievan Rus. It seems that Slavic historians avoid to be associated with Pechenegs or Cumans, but the fact is that the legacy of the Pecheneg tribe geographically echoes throughout the territories of Ukraine, Hungary, Slovakia. While at some point in history when there was a current of idea in Poland that Poles are of a Sarmatian cast. In my opinion, the Sarmatian people has split between Slavic, Turkic, and, maybe, Judaic cultures over time. The good example was the defense of Crimea by Polovtsy from the Baty invasion in XIII century and the arise of the Crimean Khanate couple of centuries later. How to explain the existence of such people as Alans and Circassians in the North Caucasus? What about Georgians? The Kipchak Khanate certainly consisted of numerous tribes and not necessarily of Turkic race. Yet, that is my opinion on the topic which is neither denied at the Cumans' article or proven. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your kind reply and input, but I am a bit uncertain still - what did you mean by this: "Yet, that is my opinion on the topic which is neither denied at the Cumans' article or proven.: - I mean do you completely agree with me that the Cumans could not have really been Turkic or not ?(I trust you understand easily my logical reasoning). If you do agree, and if you do support me, than may I ask for your help in this issue, in doing something about it - basically what I want is for my reasoning to at least get mentioned in the article (so that people in the end can make up their own minds if they were Turkic or not, byknowing all the relevant theories and reasoning and not just one, such as the Turkic theory; as first timers to this topic would have never heard of the Iranic theory as they just get fed the common info that they were Turkic by everyone else). I also get irritated by stating they were Turkic as though if it were a fact - as if it was proven - I mean all that the people here are doing is regurgitating and repeating what a handful of historians said - can we really trust those historians - why cant we also think for ourselves and use our own intellect-what makes a handful of historians (using dubious means to assert ethnicities) the absolute reference in deciding what is what - what gives them all the power in saying what is what - the people here on wiki certainly seems to trust them without using their own intellect and common sense (such as understanding the logic - Turkic does not equal blond and blue eyes). How can we put all faith in old studies (dubious studies) done by some random historians (very few of them in the first place).. Please help me here in putting my edits back - they would listen to you and respect you more as you have been on wikipedia much longer than me, edited more pages, and have your own account (I dont). Also if someone backs me up, they would notice that Im not the only person in the world with this reasoning about the Cumans. I also have no idea at the moment how to counter their attacks and throwing rules at me, in saying I push POV, that I dont cite sources, that I mention a theory nobody else knows about or heard etc etc (I could use that "wikipedia:ignore all rules in favour of common sense - but I dont know if that is enough). If you also know of another user on wikipedia that would agree with me, then please, if you can, tell him about all of this, so that I may get more assistence. At first I tried to explain my logic and reasoning to them, but they wouldn't listen and understand - its very hard for me to get my point across. I wish I had sources at my disposal, but there seem not to be many, or any at all (why????!!!!) . And what is so confusing and wild in them being an Iranic tribe anyway - I mean the Sarmatians were Iranic and they lived in te same place that the Cumans lived - around Ukraine, so why is it improbable that they may be related to them???) You are probably wondering why I care about this so much - well because the Cumans settled and mixed in with my country long time ago - and am really interested in them, and I just dont want this massively logical and common sense theory to get ignored - it irritates me to the extreme that know one seems to understand it, I am really shocked and awestruck). I want to kindly ask for assistance from you in this, please. If you are interested in helping me, then again reply here (as my IP changes all the time). By the way, you mentioned the Kipchak Khanate (Golden Horde) in the end of your commments - I know that they consisted of multiple ethnicities, as eventually the Bulgars (and the local tribes they subjugated) and Mongols mixed with the Kipchaks to create the Golden Horde (the continuation, along with the other hordes, of the Mongol empire), so they did actually consisted of multiple tribes- but my argument is not with the Kipchaks, or the Kipchak khanate at all, its with the Cumans only - as unlike many people seem to actually know - the Cumans were not the same as the Kipchaks - they were two different tribes, coming from two different regions in the world(according to Cumans and Tatars Oriental warfare book, the Cumans came fromeast of the yellow river(they didnt have to be han chinese at all if they came from there) , who made a confederation and lived together for a while, who spoke the same or a very similar language. Then the Cumans left for Hungary and Bulgaria, after their defeat, they didnt stay with the Kipchak Khanate(or few remained) - so my argument of the ethnicity is for the Cumans not the Kipchaks(the Kipchaks could have very well been Turkic). From the sources I read, I get the impression that mostly or only the Cumans were called blond, Folban (yellow), Polovtsy(yellow straw), blue eyes etc etc and not so much, if at all, the Kipchaks.

Kind Regards 41.132.178.196 (talk) 11:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Asgarda

Agreed, it should never really have been here in the first place so long as its only independent source was a single blog post. If they were getting real media coverage, then they might qualify for an article (inclusion in Wikipedia has nothing to do with whether or not we like the reasons why a topic might be notable), but in the absence of quality references they certainly aren't entitled to that article.

I initially tagged it for notability instead of deleting it outright, because the creator claimed that additional sources were forthcoming — but thanks for bringing it to my attention now, because I see they never materialized. Bearcat (talk) 19:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Your RV on Politics of Ukraine

Thank you for reverting my edit on the Politics of Ukraine article. I had made a mistake, but "forgot" to revert it (I was in school at the time of the edit, and shouldn't have been editing wikipedia). Have a nice day!--Piast93 22:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Copyrighted lyrics

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Note

It is not correct to tag full-length articles (>1500 bytes of prose) as stubs. Categories sort articles better than templates. Materialscientist (talk) 00:31, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Because stub template sort of aims to say "this article is very short, it is missing basic information and it is a first priority for expansion". It is the categories which should define the subject, not the stub templates. Materialscientist (talk) 00:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

1500 bytes of prose text is accepted by the WP:DYK project as a low length limit for a stub. Surely, this length is not well defined (some code tricks can make the length different for a given content), but it gives some sort of definition. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 00:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Ciscaucasia

Hello Aleksandr Grigoryev. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ciscaucasia, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not a valid CSD criteria. PROD it or take it to AfD if you think its Original Research. Thank you. GedUK  14:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

Happy new year to you and З Різдвом Христовим!
— Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 20:40, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Ukrainian Premier League

Hi there. I saw that in this edit you removed an entire section and said the information is available somewhere else. Where is it? I think the history section should mention the league of the soviet times a bit, and provide a link to the article that currently has that table of winners. --Deryck C. 16:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

• That's fine. Thanks for explaining. --Deryck C. 16:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• • Yea that's good. Thanks for your work on those articles. I'm just worried that you may fall into the trap of Original research if you don't try to source every paragraph of what you write - especially given the comments you voiced in the talk page of the article about how you think the league should've operated. --Deryck C. 16:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• • • It would be a good idea nevertheless to use inline citations to link from each paragraph to the source where the information have come from, and also citations from the tables to the sources where the statistics were compiled from. --Deryck C. 17:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Probably of your watchlist by now... but I still have a question for you there...

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Ukraine national under-18 football team

Article is posted for a speedy deletion on grounds of notability. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 10:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you about info, but what I can do? Some times I angry about all these "deleters":(, because than ordinary wikipedians must recreated deleted articles, that become "notable". For example, it happened with article Dmytro Nepohodov.--Noel baran (talk) 10:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Soundtrack of O Brother, Where Art Thou?

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Proposed deletion of Artem Lutchenko

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Dmytro Firtash is now an editor on wikipedia!

Which is clear to see in this edit. The IP Address was in Kyiv. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 22:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Kniazhi Bairaky

Hi. I'm not sure what you intended to do when you created and then edited the page Kniazhi Bairaky, but you've left it as a redirect to itself, which surely isn't correct. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 22:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Awards section in Ukrainian Premier League

The entries that you created for the "Awards" section in the 2010–11 Ukrainian Premier League are going to be deleted because they have nothing to do with the Premier League season. There are players there that don't even play in the Ukrainian Premier League. Those kind of entries belong in a new entry such as 1994–95 in Ukrainian football or 2010–11 in Ukrainian football. You better save all that hard work that you did because it will disappear. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 17:43, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

How is it that the awards have nothing to do with the league if most of the players do play in the league and it's their performance that contributed to the awards? I do agree that it could be separated and it should be into a different article per se. There you are right. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:51, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Just because some of the players play in the league does not suffice that information be present in the entry. All the selection of the team is from a group of readers from a website and NOT the official Premier League website. The individual players can have some information in their own pages that they got the award - but it is NOT a PREMIER League Award. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 19:04, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Your logic is indeed solid, no argument in that. However, are we ought to completely disregard a public opinion of the league performance and its members?

Not if it is NOT directly related to article entry.

What about the third-person sources that Wikipedia requires? Ua-football.som is a well established and quite trusted website with some substantial audience, numerous football personalities post their blogs on it among which are Viktor Leonenko, Maxim Shatskikh, Miletiy Balchos, and many others.

But the voting is not just for those involved with the Ukrainian Premier League. And this article is solely concern with 2010–11 Ukrainian Premier League. Why do you continually want to dilute the article with tangent material?

The evaluation of the awards is based on the performance of players and clubs during a calendar league and mostly in the Ukrainian Premier League (season calendar of which does correspond the regular year calendar, although) as well as the National Team.

Why is this award not in the Ukrainian national football team article??? If you can spot the non-Ukrainian selection players - Then its the same reason why this award section is bogus because there are players in there that have nothing to do with the 2010–11 Ukrainian Premier League.

There is no other sources that is as clear in their evaluation/estimation of the Ukrainian football and Premier League, in particular, and not as consistent. How about instead of completely deleting it wouldn't it be rather sufficient to post a necessary Wikipedia template for the proposed split?

You should take the initiative yourself to create an article 2010–11 in Ukrainian football and placing the awards section. Take a look at 2010–11 in English football which is a comparative article.

In my opinion that would be more constructive way to approach the solution. What do you think? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:01, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

I reckon that things not directly involved with 2010–11 Ukrainian Premier League should be removed immediately. You can go to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Season article task force and see if they agree with you. But I hardly think this award information is pertinent at all. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:59, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Kniazhi Bairaky

Hi. I have deleted this page you set up, because it circular - a redirect to itself. Letting you know so that you can reinstate it if it should have had some other target. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:16, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Let us start a WikiProject Ukraine/Politics of Ukraine task force?

I noticed that WikiProject Russia has (among others) a Politics of Russia task force, Sports and games in Russia task force and a Mass media in Russia task force. You seem to edit in the Ukrainian equivalents of all three subject. Do you think it is handy to create some simuliar task-forces in Ukraine Wikiproject? These Russian task force often have no more then 1 member... Don't think it is necessary to create a task force for 1 member. But a Ukrainian politics task fore could be handy for us both as we have a place to inform each other about article we wrote (like I did some handy edits in Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast local election, 2010 but I found out you created it pure by change and you might be interested in the articles Andriy Shkil, Vyacheslav Kyrylenko and Andriy Parubiy I recently created).
— Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 01:55, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Just checking...........

Just to make sure: "Head of the Lviv Oblast State Administration" is the same thing as "Governor of Lviv Oblast"; right? If not I added a wrong category in the article Kmit Mykola. Bit confusing 2 different names are used for the same post (at least for me...).
— Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 21:55, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Rada riddling.......

It seems there is now a Group "Reforms for the Future" (Ukrainian: Група "Реформи заради майбутнього" у Верховній Раді України) in the Verkhovna Rada. As you can see on my userpage I have to cut back my time on wikipedia (soon), so I wish they started this group earlier.... — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 16:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Reforms for the Future

I am done for now with Reforms for the Future and made changed tp all wikipedia articles who needed to be changed because of this new group; I do believe. I do use AnomieBOT a lot; so do not worry where some references have gone... AnomieBOT will save them ! Could not find any info if this group has its own website or if it wants to become a full party; I suspect if so they will use the shelf of an old party just like United Centre and For Ukraine! have done. So beware of that... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:48, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

re Council of People's Commissars

Hi, AG. The article was moved a few days ago by another user to Government of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (I thought the move was a bit strange.)

I am not against including the origins of the members if you think this is relevant, but I think the cause of death is one of the noteworthy things about the first Council (and really doesn't take up much space in the article). It would likely be better to point it out in a more specific article, but there is none. Actually, there are links elsewhere to that table to demonstrate the repression of the original Bolshevik commissars [6], so it is just a lot easier to link to that subsection of the article from other articles than use multiple sources to make the point. (I would imagine that the members were generally not appointed to their CPC positions on the basis of their origin, but they likely were killed off during Stalinism precisely because of those positions.) Zloyvolsheb (talk) 19:24, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, there is a lot of very poor coverage of subjects beyond the realm of the English-speaking world, and there many problems with Eastern Europe topics in particular. The history of the Russia between the February revolution and the Stalin period hasn't been very good either. From what I gather, although the czar abdicated after the February revolt, there was apparently no formal proclamation of the Russian republic until September during Provisional Government rule. Good job on the Russian republic article. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 20:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Verkhovna Rada parliamentary scandals

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Ukraine national under-23 football team

Now, Ukraine hasn't U-23 team, but if U-21 qualify in the next tournament to the finals (In June 2011) it will be such a team, just like at the Olympic Games are the national U-23 teams. See Category:European national under-23 association football teams. Bogic (talk) 20:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Please, wait to June 2011. Bogic (talk) 21:46, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Leontovych

Hey, I've significantly expanded the article on Mykola Leontovych over the past few months. Thought (maybe more of "hoped") you might be interested in expanding, correcting it, or editing in general to help bring it to good, or even featured status. :-)
--BoguslavM 01:56, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Soundtrack of O Brother, Where Art Thou?

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Proposed deletion of All-time Ukrainian First League table

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Proposed deletion of All-time Ukrainian Premier League table

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Economic Development and Trade (Ukraine)

I just wanted to let you know that I took a look at your recently created article Ministry of Economic Development and Trade (Ukraine)-- The layout of the article makes it very clear.However, I noticed there are some holes that may need filling: the article does not contain in-line citations, and so doesn't follow Wikipedia style guidelines. It would be great if you could also Wikify the related article Metal-Forum of Ukraine. Amy Z (talk) 03:35, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Cossack Hetmanate

In February you made an update to the intro of Cossack Hetmanate that seems to be incomplete. As the article currently reads, it sounds weird/unfinished:

In 1782 the autonomy of the Cossack state was officially abolished by Catherine II of Russia, while on the most of its territory was established the Kiev Governorate already in 1708.

Did you mean "on the [eastern/western/northern/southern]-most of its territory"? I'm unfamiliar with the geography of this area, so I don't know which part of the territory that the Kiev Governorate was established. Also, the "already in 1708" would sound better as "by 1708".--Subversive Sound (talk) 13:23, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually on the whole territory of Hetmanate right after Ivan Mazepa agreed with Charles XII was established the Kiev Governorate in December of 1708. (Historical official documents at the website of the President of Russia) Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:33, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I have reworded that sentence for clarity and added that article as a reference.--Subversive Sound (talk) 14:08, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

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I noticed that you changed the name of the Baal Shem Tov's birth place from "Okopy" to "Okopy Świętej Trójcy". While this is one of the historic names of Okopy, I'm not sure why you feel this is the appropriate name for the article - it is neither the modern name, nor the name used in Jewish sources to refer to it (especially since "Okopy Świętej Trójcy" means "Okopy of the Holy Trinity" - not a name likely to be used by the local Jews). Can you please explain your rationale for the change? Ratzd'mishukribo (talk) 16:24, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I see your point.

However there is another aspect to it - most articles on Eastern European rabbis mention shtetls by their "Jewish" names - since, to the Jewish reader (and often editor!), the Polish/Ukrainan/Russian/Lithuanian etc. name is often completely unfamiliar. For the benefit of the reader, a pipe link links to the town's article, where the reader can find all version's of the town's names. For example, I would refer to Sandomierz as [[Sandomierz|Tzauzmir]]: Tzauzmir. (In an article describing a very famous Eastern European rabbi, I would include the modern name of the town in brackets: Tzauzmir (Sandomierz). So in the Baal Shem Tov article, I would expect [[Okopy, Ternopil oblast|Okop]] (Okopy): Okop (Okopy). Since the shtetl name is already provided, with addition of the name of the town in brackets for the benefit of the modern reader, I don't see where the historically correct name should by added.) Perhaps all three should be included? It would look a bit awkward - as the mention of Mezhibuzh in the article already does. Ratzd'mishukribo (talk) 16:55, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

True, but I think there is a precedent in previous articles to "tailor" them to the ethnicities described therein - Bible topics of Jewish interest only refer to the Bible as Tanakh, for example. Using the case you gave, it woould be appropriate to use Armenian names of Eastern European towns in an article concerning Armenian history in Poland. What do you think?
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Thanks a lot for your other recent changes to the Baal Shem Tov page! I haven't touched, it looks like too much work. Ratzd'mishukribo (talk) 20:00, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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Dear Sir, I see that you are a highly successful Wikipedia contributer. I know a football person who is worthy of a Wikipedia page. I thought you might be interested in putting it together as you live in America but were born in Ukraine. His name is Dennis Lukens and he is Head Coach of Kherson Krystal of the Ukraine Professional 2nd League. He is the first American born to be Head Coach of a Professional Football team in Ukraine or the CIS. He is the 4th American born to coach in Europe. He has an interesting background having coached and played in America. He coached First League (USL "A" League) with the Bay Area Seals. Please let me know if you are interested. I would make a Wikipedia page for him but I have no idea on how to do it. Sincerely, Natasha Natasha4581 (talk) 19:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for your recent articles, including Administrative reform of Catherine the Great. When you create a new article, can you add the WikiProject assessment templates to the talk of that article? See the talk page of the article I mentioned for an example of what I mean. Usually it is very simple, you just add something like {{WikiProject Keyword}} to the article's talk, with keyword replaced by the associated WikiProject (ex. if it's a biography article, you would use WikiProject Biography; if it's a United States article, you would use WikiProject United States, and so on). You do not have to rate the article if you do not want to, others will do it eventually. Those templates are very useful, as they bring the articles to a WikiProject attention, and allow them to start tracking the articles through Wikipedia:Article alerts and other tools. This can help you too, as the WikiProject members will often defend your work from deletion and try to improve it further. Feel free to ask me any questions if you'd like more information. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:02, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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