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You might prefer to not show ur email, or to change its format:

bla.bla.bla (ad) enialgeria.eni.it.

Experience editors can write you an email on Wikipedia, if your option allows it (they do not need to know your email first). It is better to edit logged on ;) --Chris.urs-o (talk) 18:13, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Chris for the advice. Sometimes when I come in in the morning my computer shows me still logged in, but I notice a few minutes later that I have to re-log in, not always though. I have to take better care. Jpvandijk (talk) 08:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 09:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have second thoughts with spaces and blank lines that do not change the end layout. These changes load the watch lists. You can create a Surge tectonics page, but use a sandbox first (Surge tectonics). A new stub should be neat, otherwise the articles for deletion crew will devour it. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 08:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)User:Jpvandijk/Earth Sciences Bibliography[reply]

If ur network does not have access to mantleplumes.org. I can send u a document per email, if u need it. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 11:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is a reference list on Timeline of the development of tectonophysics, in the Wiki Cite format ;) --Chris.urs-o (talk) 16:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll take a look at that, it looks a bit sterile, and of course shows many overlaps with other pages. But that is the meaning of a time line, ok :) Jpvandijk (talk) 16:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chronology, history, evolution... --Chris.urs-o (talk) 16:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you are right, it takes time, chronology, history and evolution to sort all this out! :)Jpvandijk (talk) 17:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Chris, I hope you don't take my comments personally, I see the timeline page is almost 99 percent your incredible work! My compliments! I would love to help. I see we are both sort of bibliophils (is that english?). Is there a way we can create a repository of documents in Wikipedia instead of referring to unstable external links or commercial editors that sell the papers? And also to create a uniformity in the lists? Do you have an idea?Jpvandijk (talk) 17:14, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikisource has some documents without copyright. Wiki is a open source database, it won't allow to save copyright material.--Chris.urs-o (talk) 17:17, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, got your point, and I see that Wikisource actually creates an online readable copy of the work in question, a bit like Google Books.

I have been occupied with the question of geoscience databases since 1987, and I know how complicated the problem can get. I would like to suggest a simple solution.

First let me define the problem:

I see that on many Wikipedia pages the same references occur, which creates many duplications, and dispersal of info and difficult management of the links.
They are, furthermore, in the edible text inserted inside the text itself.

Maybe we can use the geodynamics pages as a test case to create a solution. Possibilities:

First possibility: We could create a page which just contains the references as a list with their links, and nothing else, to which all the other pages refer. This is a quick solution, rather simple and not difficult to realise.
Second possibility: Each reference should have its own page, with all the data and a discussion on the work itself. This is a lot of work, but it would be the best solution.

Jpvandijk (talk) 09:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well Wikipedia is not Wikitionary. The pages need lead, prose, content... We have google, google books, google scholar... Google scholar has many versions of a reference, the classics have even one university with the text online. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 10:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You might suggest it to strategy.wikimedia or to Wikipedia:Village pump. The pages content stands quite alone. And you can add the Cite journal template with the doi=number and the User:Citation bot fills in everything. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 20:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Plate tectonics

Are u sure with "Keith Runcorn in a paper in 1956" ??? Can't find a ref. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look it up and insert it tomorrow. The page is really accellarating! Compliments! Jpvandijk (talk) 16:24, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

U worked more ;) Never mind u had the ref later on, sorry. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Now each reference is double; as a "sfn note", as a "Harv". Looks good, we can trace also the amount of time each paper is referenced." Not good... Sysops/Admins won't like it, I'm afraid. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 16:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if there is another way to trace the amount of times the same reference is cited in the text, its welcome. But with the Harvard system I' didn't see an alternative. Is there a place where "sfn" usage is explained? Jpvandijk (talk) 14:16, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Citation templates, Template:Sfn --Chris.urs-o (talk) 14:44, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I perfectly agree the page should be deleted it was placed there by error.

Plate tectonics

Vsmith spread some citation needed tags again on Plate tectonics#Gravity related driving forces. Do u have something at hand, or do we have to search?

Chester R. Longwell cites Reginald Aldworth Daly: "...seeks to substitute sliding for drifting, assuming that broad domes or bulges form at the earth's surface, and on the flanks of these domes the continental masses slide downward, moving over hot basaltic glass as over a lubricated floor."
Kerr, Richard A. (1995). "Earth's Surface May Move Itself". Science. 269 (5228): 1214–1215. doi:10.1126/science.269.5228.1214. PMID 17732101. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
More ideas? --Chris.urs-o (talk) 11:35, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Song lyrics

Please do not add song lyrics to Wikipedia, like you did at "I Only Have Eyes for You" back in January. They are almost always copyright violations; see the first part of Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry. Graham87 03:54, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Graham, I suspected that actually, as I didn't find any lyrics of any song in Wikipedia.

Geology of Nepal

Hi, Geology of Nepal got complicated terms and copyvio problems. Would u like to make a 2¢ contribution? The article has a very nice collection of references. I'm going to read Rowley (1996), Guillot (1999), Upreti (1999), Catlos (2000) and DeCelles et al. (2001). But I'm not a structural geologist. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 08:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to find some time. Its of course a fascinating subject without any doubt...

--Jpvandijk (talk) 17:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thx ;) It could be a read once procedure, it is just a start quality class article. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 19:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Geology of Calabria

In May 2010 you added a good detailed geology section to Calabria. However, the numerous Harvard reference links (e.g. (Argand, 1916; Boccaletti and Guazzone, 1972)) without a corresponding entry in the reference section is problematic. These, especially the important "mile¬stones" ... list of a dozen or so Harvard tags need amplification with full reference details -- else they should be chopped as rather useless filler. Possibly add a "Bibliography" section below the ref section where these are expanded. Vsmith (talk) 14:25, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No problem you are right I didn't have time for this I'll correct it this morning straight away. (Jpvandijk (talk) 07:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Thanks, Vsmith (talk) 18:15, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I'll fix this now also in the other pages in the other languages dealing with the same arguments. Jpvandijk (talk) 07:38, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Ok fixed it. --Jpvandijk (talk) 09:50, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

Can I get a copy of these references on plate tectonics?
van Dijk, Janpieter; Okkes, F.W. Mark (1990). "The analysis of shear zones in Calabria; implications for the geodynamics of the Central Mediterranean". Rivista Italiana di Paleontologia e Stratigrafia 96 (2–3): 241–270.
van Dijk, J.P.; Okkes, F.W.M. (1991). "Neogene tectonostratigraphy and kinematics of Calabrian Basins: implications for the geodynamics of the Central Mediterranean". Tectonophysics 196: 23–60. Bibcode 1991Tectp.196...23V. DOI:10.1016/0040-1951(91)90288-4.
van Dijk, Janpieter (1992). "Late Neogene fore-arc basin evolution in the Calabrian Arc (Central Mediterranean). Tectonic sequence stratigraphy and dynamic geohistory. With special reference to the geology of Central Calabria". Geologica Ultrajectina 92: 288.
I'd like to read them. Cheers --Chris.urs-o (talk) 04:38, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Chris I never read these comments. Send me your mail to janpieter.vandijk@burren.co.uk and I will send the pdf. the first one is not available online, the second one is available only through scientific confidential author - to - author mailing (because of copyright: otherwise you should buy it from Elsevier) and the third one is actually online in the Dutch library system but the copy is awfull, so I better send you as I usually do a high resolution pdf copy. --Jpvandijk (talk) 12:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Enzina Fuschini

I've replied to you at length on the article's talk page but, in brief, my question about the notability is nothing to do with the earlier vandalism: I think it's a legitimate question and a debate worth having? 82.71.0.229 (talk) 21:28, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Before to embarrass yourself further, please read WP:DELETE and WP:AFD - the process for deletion was clear, open, transparent, and the discussion is available for reading. You had the opportunity to discuss it at the time. 6 editors providing policy-based arguments over more than the 7 day minimum is sufficient to determine WP:CONSENSUS on deletion - and indeed, it was not deleted, the relevant information was merged, and a redirect created - more than what often happens.

You truly do need to understand a whole whack of policies and processes before further comment. You also need to pay closer attention to those same processes - for example, you posted on WP:REFUND which CLEARLY states that if the article went through AFD, you cannot request its undeletion there.

Of course, by posting your original complaint at WP:RFD, you're actually ASKING for the redirect to be deleted permanently - and the redirect is the only think keeping the person's name on Wikipedia. If it gets deleted, then you've really shot yourself in the foot (proverbially).

First and foremost, however, guidelines for notability are very strict on the English Wikipedia. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:36, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments and for helping out dear user Bwilkins. But actually I would suggest to delete instead of redirecting, so remove the bullet from my (left) foot.

I agree that the process is available for reading. it is though, not at all objective and clear, nor substantial, nor rich of arguments. It is just a serious of empty phrases without any argumentation. There is a clear difference between a statement and an argument, hopefuly also in the English language. And I am just advising Wikipedia; be aware that personally I could care less of what is posted on one website in Internet or another after all. It's all part of evaluating how much time each of us should invest and for that I would also advise other editors to think twice. See my comments on transparency of editors, Wikipedia policy, future and difference between science and non-science.

Oh could you please help me finding the place where the information I carefully gathered and made available to Wikipedia was merged?

--Jpvandijk (talk) 12:00, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Click the redirect. It goes to a small segment of the Rafferty article that discusses the situation in a WP:NPOV, and non-overwhelming fashion. You clearly have not read WP:DELETE or WP:AFD based on your statement about "arguments" - this is POLICY, not "I like it". Note that I have deleted your poorly-thought out re-creation of the article under a different title: the AFD says an article about this person doesn't cut it - recreating as a live article is disruptive (✉→BWilkins←✎) 12:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info Bwilkins, well let's give Wikipedia some time to think it over, that's better.

There is by the way nothing of all my work merged in this redirect. I would have seen it.

Anyway, after all, all this initial vandalism by Gerry Rafferty family members, mobbing and offensive talking both in Wikipedia (all now invisible for the public by this intelligent redirect move) and other net blogs, and discussion about deleting the page is just because there was a link to Gerry Rafferty on the furthermore rich page about Enzina Fuschini, which the British public has difficulty to cope with: If it would not have been there, I am convinced the page would have been accepted with pleasure by Wikipedia. A pity that not all of the episodes are available to be read by the public; they are sure interesting to analyse. But I respect that Wikipedia has to defend itself; it was actually in fact quite embarrassing to see how the website was being used, all this cross linking and desperate editing of pages.

Once again a reason to think well about what is objectiveness, what is Wikipedia all about, how it should evolve, what is it's possible future, and who is actually managing it. For me it was an interesting experiment, very propaedeutic, and a case history that can be investigated upon in the future. After the discussions I participated upon on Wikipedia policies, it was important for me to understand how Wikipedia is still related to old fashioned feelings and where the human aspect can still be detected; prejudice towards different nationalities, defence of family, religion, class, etc. In that sense it doesn’t differ so much from science, art, media and all other incredible human manifestations and why should it. Generating an enormous amount of procedures and rules, we did the same in science since long but it actually doesn’t help a lot.

Anyway let’s keep it up, lot of (more interesting) work to do here in WP.

--Jpvandijk (talk) 12:49, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give you time to retract your comments above: attributing actions to living people that violates our WP:BLP policies and will lead to a block. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I retract my comments. --Jpvandijk (talk) 13:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have no intention to offend anybody or attribute actions to living people. I in fact refered to an already deleted user which used the name of living people. If you prefer I can edit or delete my comments from this page. --Jpvandijk (talk) 13:13, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And you are perfectly right: If you take a look at the discussion on the EF page, if still visible for you, you will notice that I myself made clear to another editor that the two (living people and the WP user with the same name) should not be confused, exactly because the editor I discussed with automatically supposed that these were one and the same. Sorry to have fallen in the same trap. I absolutely regret it, excuse myself and withdraw my words. --Jpvandijk (talk) 13:20, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You need to remove the unproven allegations above directed towards a living person/their family. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:49, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I removed them, I hope that was suffient, please let me know. I hope Wikipedia itself does not find the statements about WP itself offensive; It is always my objective to help the organisation to grow, not to tackle it with useless complains, the rest of my text was written in that spirit.

--Jpvandijk (talk) 13:56, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. If you feel there is sufficient notability, the information is properly sourced, meets neutral point of view and does not provide undue weight, you may expand the section on this person on the Rafferty article. Make sure, however, that WP:COATRACK and WP:BLP are respected (✉→BWilkins←✎) 15:42, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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