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DYK for Gibraltar District School No. 2

On 1 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gibraltar District School No. 2, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Norwegians built Gibraltar's first school (pictured) in the 1860s? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gibraltar District School No. 2. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Please look at IvanOS contributions

After two-times he was blocked because of his activities he again continued with previous activities. After his blockade expired he again deleted my contributions. I then wrote him this message ([1]). Then he stop, but today he again took the opportunity to delete my contributions while deleting some of my other changes as "unnecessary" for articles. Thus, while deleting my new contributions, he again in some articles without explanation deleted my referenced names in minority languages (some examples: Mikluševci, Vera, Banovci, Vinkovački Banovci, Pačetin, Bršadin, Bobota, Trpinja...). I know that IvanOS and Sokac will say that it is all just dispute over content and that I'm trying to besmirch the reputation of IvanOS, but I think that this violence against my work is not acceptable for Wikipedia community, I think we have to respect work of others and operate transparently, not disguised. I try to have a constructive approach but this all becomes hard. I hope you were able to understand my English, and have a nice day.--MirkoS18 (talk) 20:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of flags from infoboxes is content dispute and I do not question that part. But while deleting this part he took the opportunity to again without explanation delete also sourced minority names. This he firstly done after his second blockade expired and than I warned him. Now he obviously thought that this action will not be noticed if he done it as a part of something else. Again, I do not make question on all of his yesterday's changes, I'm talking just about covert and unexplained deletion of referenced content on some of those pages. Have a nice day.--MirkoS18 (talk) 13:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I am disappointed with such a behavior Mirko. First, without agreement changes articles, and later complaining on other users. :( --Sokac121 (talk) 19:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Reward for those involved in April's First pranks

Hello Nyttend, Eduemoni has given you a shining smiling star! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the Shining Smiling Star whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! Eduemoni ^↑talk↓ 03:04, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Mail! :)

Hello, Nyttend. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.— Alison ^❤ 06:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

An oddity in the Ohio NRHP lists

The Hocking Valley Railway Historic District is listed in both Athens and Hocking Counties, but its two entries in the county listings point to different articles, neither of which is actually about the historic district. The Athens County list links to Hocking Valley Scenic Railway, which mentions the historic district but doesn't have an infobox or categories, while the Hocking County list links to Hocking Valley Railway, which doesn't even mention the historic district. I figure that either the district needs its own article or Hocking Valley Scenic Railway needs a bit of a rewrite, but I'm not sure what would be best, and you know Ohio better than I do. What do you think about it? TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I added the NRHP infobox and category to Hocking Valley Scenic Railway, so I think it's fine for now. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 18:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

I reported it days ago and nothing was done. Isn't there some "penalty" for excessive sockpuppetry? Platinum Star (talk) 23:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, this user is after articles related to Televisa's telenovelas (current, old, or upcoming) and its actors/actresses. That, and some odd sports articles that I don't even know about. But what I can say is that he tends to duplicate an already existing article, as he always gets a message from a bot stating that. Platinum Star (talk) 02:19, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it was too vague. But I can still post additional comments as long as it's relevant, right? Platinum Star (talk) 02:58, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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A beer for you!

For sorting out the revision history at John Knox (British Army officer). Cheers! Ykraps (talk) 07:56, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

The Altaic Languages Admin Thread

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Hi Nyttend,

I started the Altaic Languages thread in the admin forum.

You locked the Altaic article in the wrong state -- the biased old version. My last attempted-neutral version is "04:47, 6 April 2013‎ AltaicNPOV".

The admin thread has been capriciously locked, with absolutely nothing resolved.

My attempts to post again to constructively point this out are being deleted, and my accounts banned. Utterly Kafkaeque situation.

Can you switch the article versions, and possibly ban the problem editors? Is there a long-term "controversial article" watchlist it can go on? Ymblanter has referred the article to the "Fringe Theories" forum (where nothing is happening), but "Macro-Altaic" isn't fringe, just not widely accepted.

Thanks, AltaicNPOV (currently banned) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.29.251 (talk) 12:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

While the article is locked down, please can we have an appropriate tag on it such as {{disputed}} so that readers are aware of the issue and so may perhaps join the talk page discussion to help establish a better consensus? Warden (talk) 14:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh Warden, you're my other friend. This has been such a random and abusive experience. Let's get my version up, which as you'll see pretty much agrees with the tone of the Britannica article, do any edits you think appropriate to polish it up, and then have it locked for life :)

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/17472/Altaic-languages

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Altaic_languages&oldid=548943722

These arguments about needing "specialist" sources are completely specious, and they always come from the people who (secretly) support "Macro-Altaic". They put down general references... but never offer up "specialist" surveys of language families of their own. And this would be because "specialists" are busy hawking their own theories, and pretty much by definition an overview treatment of the status of accepted language families is going to be a "generalist" work.

As to consensus in the article, Kwamikagami has really clearly identified himself as someone who intends to single-mindedly pursue a personal agenda. And there are at least 3 others on the article the same. This is why I tried to go to the admins. I think a judgement on what is "mainstream" theory, and what is less accepted needs to be decided at that level, and imposed as a requirement on the article. Just the general guidance that it needs to accord with X, Y, and Z known sources (e.g. Ethnologue), for the order of prominence for the different theories presented in the WIkipedia article.

AltaicNPOV

Please begin discussing this at the article page, not here. Nyttend (talk) 16:14, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Nyttend! You're wonderful... but you've caused half the current problem by locking the article in the wrong state. And can we constructively discuss anything at the article prior to Kwamikagami and company being banned? Already tried discussing in article at length -- brick wall. Went to admins. Got worse. :)

Is there nothing you can do with you admin superpower, when you yourself agree both how skewed the article was, and how impossible Kwamikagami is?

Yours truly, AltaicNPOV — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.30.161 (talk) 16:20, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

We at least need an admin in the article Talk page acting as "coordinator/referee". Like, "OK first task is to establish who has what references, for what is generally accepted by linguistics about Altaic today". Submit your references between now and DATE. Admin tamps down on those criticizing my references while giving none of their own. And then admin pushes us to the conclusion, "so from these references, it does look like the article needs to convey that..." -- AltaicNPOV (who is sorry to take up your whole Talk page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.30.161 (talk) 16:37, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

As I said above, this is not the article's talk page. Nyttend (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Admin Responsibilities?

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Nyttend, why are you not available to do any admin functions on an article that you know is defective and controlled by trolls?

I'm not discussing any particular article, just the abstract question of what admins are supposed to do as their job (other than randomly blocking helpful editors), and where I find one to come deal with a problem article.

The Admin Noticeboard seemed to be that place, until someone cut off the discussion mid-sentence... with absolutely no help given, and the situation was back not to square one, but square minus-one with the article locked, the trolls celebrating their victory, and the public continuing to read an article that about 10 different admins know is a falsehood.

It's not a good process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.30.161 (talk) 17:16, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

This is unreal. Surrealistic. I thought you were a good admin from your comments in the Admin Noticeboard thread. I'm going to have to start a complaint process against you to have your admin status revoked. You have caused active "damage and disruption" to the Altaic Languages article by locking it in the state that you yourself recognize as giving false information to Wikipedia readers — you're actively collaborating in producing a false Wikipedia article. This article could be used as a source in research for 10 books this week, to be read by millions. And you will do nothing to correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.2.76 (talk) 18:44, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Ditto. Nyttend (talk) 18:17, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Helena Historic District (Montana)

After a 3 or so month delay, this is in mainspace. Improvements welcome. I have 4 NRHP docs on this and the detail is amazing but I don't have time to put it all in right now. PumpkinSky talk 01:48, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Can you fix it per whatever the convention is for me? Why add the city to the name? There is only one Helena in Montana. Now my DYK nom is wrong.PumpkinSky talk 02:11, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

"Template:Did you know nominations/Helena Historic District (Montana)" is still wrong. And is it normal to have the city in the name? To me it's not needed but eh. I'll add the alt, good idea. PumpkinSky talk 02:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I just renamed it. I still think the city name thing is superfulous ;-) PumpkinSky talk 02:24, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Tempering

Saw the thing at Turpin site earlier. I was wondering what you thought of this. What if we add a definition to Glossary of pottery terms and redirected Tempering (ceramics) to it. I've never really been happy with using Tempering (metallurgy), but as you noted it is the closest we have at present. If anyone ever wanted to write the article on tempering for pottery, they could always expand the redirect. Thoughts? He iro 22:11, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, from the wording of the sentence at Turpin site, it probably was shell tempering, but I'd have to read the source to know for sure(it 404ed on me). Good luck with the trip and the photos! I'm heading there(Paducah) next week myself for a short trip. He iro 22:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Murals are here 37°05′18″N 88°35′39″W / 37.08830°N 88.59415°W / 37.08830; -88.59415, or at least, if you stand at this spot, you are looking at them. I updated coords at Tolu as best as I can figure from several sources, haven't been there to confirm in person. He iro 23:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Cool, cant wait to see your images! Sounds like you had a productive trip. He iro 17:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your edit to Fairbanks North Star Borough, Alaska

I tagged the list of communities in that article as incomplete, as there were a slew of new CDPs in the 2010 Census, which few editors have gotten around to acknowledging the existence of. An editor responded to that by inserting data from the 1960 and 1970 Censuses, which I had already found and read over. I don't have access to that information right now; where I'm at, it's on microfilm and not on paper, so it would take me far too long to search. However, I have gone over Alaska population count data for every census (dating back to 1880), so I can address your point. I don't know if this is the same with other states, but the term "census-designated place" only appears starting with the 1980 Census. In 1960 and 1970, the term "unincorporated community" refers to much the same thing. Prior to that, the term "village" was used. I get the impression that these are functional equivalents, except that pre-CDP designations appear to apply more to strictly unincorporated urban areas than do the present CDPs.

Going through all this information reveals a greater problem. My read of past village pump discussions leads me to believe that most, if not all, of the community articles were mass-created by a bot based upon one particular census (2000, to be exact). Far too many of these articles, particularly articles on CDPs adjacent to cities which are often confused with that city, are little more than a dumping ground for census data, with little or any willingness on the part of editors to properly shepherd them. Once again, unless I'm not paying enough attention to what's being done with other states, this means that there are a number of CDPs recognized in the 1980, 1990 and 2010 Censuses which we are effectively treating as non-notable by not identifying them and creating articles for them. Sounds like bullshit to me.

Back to Fairbanks for a minute, a number of the communities listed are independently notable, even if no one has gotten around to creating articles for them. Graehl was historically a separate town from Fairbanks. That distinction began to be blurred starting in the 1930s, when construction of slough bridges began and the ferry across the Chena River was discontinued. Later, it was more or less completely eradicated when the southern terminus of the Steese Highway was realigned, bisecting the neighborhood and providing a direct link to downtown Fairbanks via newly-constructed bridges across the Chena. This happened twice, in 1953 (the present-day Old Steese Highway) and 1976 (the present-day Steese Expressway). Lemeta-Johnston may also be independently notable, though a lot of its notability has to do with one of the developers of Lemeta, Warren A. Taylor (the name "Lemeta" was taken from letters of the last names of the developers: Gradelle Leigh, George "Bud" Meyeres and Taylor). Most of Lemeta-Johnston's claim to notability lies in its rejection of annexation into Fairbanks in 1969. Obviously, they were later annexed. RadioKAOS – Talk to me, Billy 01:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) RadioKAOS, there are undiscoverd people on this planet whose knowledge of Alaska exceeds my quantum fold. BUT, if I can help, let me know. I do know that CDP designation can change, the US Fact finder of the latest 2010 data from the US Census folks changed a few CDP's in WV and KY and they do indeed change those often. I would very much like to learn more about AlaskaCoal town guy (talk) 01:21, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Elkman problem

When I use Elkman's tool to get the starting shells for "Robert William Andrew Feller Farmstead", it finds nothing. Do you know why? This is in Dallas, County, IA. It was the boyhood home of the the famous pitcher Bob Feller. I have the NRHP PDF on it. PumpkinSky talk 01:25, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I know the answer to this question. It's because the NRHP database lists last names first. So, it's listed in their database as "Feller, Robert William Andrew, Farmstead". You can get around that issue by using "last name%first name%house" in the infobox form. Or, you can go to the query by county form and provide the county name "Dallas" and the state "IA". Or, just pull up this link that already has the reference number in it. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 02:06, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah ok. thanks. PumpkinSky talk 02:07, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

For the article I'm putting the last name where it belongs. PumpkinSky talk 02:14, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nyttend

I saw you edit here where you admit that it is not a simply attack page and it has more to it than is currently being recognized. Would you mind putting your comment on the record here?
I know the issues of cold-feet regarding Islamic articles in Wikipedia are not rare, I know some people who just try to shun Islamic topics in apprehension of being called a religious bigot or Islamophobe. Some just don't like getting involved for personal reasons. Hence, if you don't want to get involved, I would surely understand. There is a serious pro-islamic bias in some of the more controversial articles, that needs to be brought into people's attention. Mr T ^(Talk?) ^{(New thread?)} 08:25, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Metro Tacloban

The same user Gian de la cruz has just renamed the pages again. S/he needs more than a warning. John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Fri 00:09, wikitime= 16:09, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Bot Error

You left a link to an edit that had an error a while back, I've been swamped at school this semester and will continue to be till early May when I graduate so I don't have time to do a full autopsy of what went wrong right now, but will investigate further when I have time. My initial suspicion is that this was an isolated incident and a user error on my part when running the bot in what I call clean up mode that allows for me to provide input to handle formatting errors. Jamo2008 (talk) 23:50, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Copyvio editor

Once I finish reverting his excessive copyvio edits, I'll provide more info. Platinum Star (talk) 17:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

These two editors have posted copyvio material here and I reverted their edits.

Abismo de pasión [2]

Dos Hogares [3]

Soñadoras [4]

Una familia con suerte [5]

Por Ella Soy Eva [6]

Nunca Te Olvidaré (telenovela) [7]

¿Quién Eres Tú? [8]

Cheias de Charme <-no proof, but based on the pattern, I doubt he wrote it.

As for the other editor, I'll provide proof in a few minutes. Platinum Star (talk) 17:48, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Here's the remaining copyvio.

Amores verdaderos [9]

Abismo de pasión [10] Platinum Star (talk) 18:42, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

That's fine, take your time! And no, they're not the same because the IP editor that I reported last month only edits articles related to Televisa and sports; this one edits any article related to Spanish telenovelas (Televisa, Telemundo, Red Globo, etc). Platinum Star (talk) 17:16, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Wiknic 2013

Would you mind helping plan the Wiknic 2013? It's in Bloomington this year since we did Evansville last year. Here is a link to the date poll if you can distribute it to anyone in Bloomington who you think might be interested (I'll be inviting Evansville folks later today and asking an Indy person to find peers there): http://doodle.com/siewdevvb7vemqva#table

Thanks! Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:56, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

No worries! I'm hoping to land a summer job by then as well! Good luck! Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:56, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm actually surprised at how cheap it was last night. I got gas last night for $3.39 just north of Evansville. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Robert William Andrew Feller Farmstead

You may be interested in this. At DYK too. I can't find a free photo of the farm. I see you already linked to it in his article! PumpkinSky talk 15:42, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

141.13*

Another one: Special:Contributions/141.136.248.140 Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 16:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm confused — did you mean to ask someone else? I don't remember interacting with you or with this IP before, and I've never paid attention to the Munich massacre article. Of course I'm happy to help, but unless I know better what's going on, I can't do anything. Nyttend (talk) 17:26, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I assumed you remembered from the other day, and realize now you may not have been following that closely. Take a look at the IP user talk page at User_talk:141.136.222.153 and you'll note that you blocked them, followed by DVdm posting below your block a few minutes later indicating this IP hopper from the 141.13* range (from Slovenia) keeps returning and getting blocked. The edit they made on the Munich massacre article is the same one they made the other day, and they again exceeded the 1RR restriction. Make sense now? Sorry I was so cursory in my prior posting. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 17:34, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

No, sorry; I'd completely forgotten about the block the other day. Your tone sounded as if you were in the middle of a conversation or continuing a long-running discussion (I saw the text before your signature and thought it was Platinum Star, who routinely reports IP edit-warriors to me in this manner), so that's why I wondered if you asked the wrong person. Thanks for the clarification: it reminded me quite well, and I've blocked this IP. Nyttend (talk) 19:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Ironically, after I blocked him he replaced the contents of his talk page with "Fascist Wikipedia, as always". Funny, someone attacking Jews calls us fascists! Talk page access revoked. Nyttend (talk) 21:09, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

That editor certainly has perspective issues. Good to keep your sense of humor in considering the irony. :) For the long term, it's clear they are a problem because they keep IP hopping and returning. It's frustrating for editors trying to clean up the situation because while the edits are clearly problematic, they aren't prima facie vandalism or BLP violations, and since that particular article has a 1RR restriction, regular editors stop at one repair while the IP will keep going with reverts and hop IPs again shortly. What's the solution? Range block? Semi-protection? Not sure, etc. AzureCitizen (talk) 21:35, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Semiprotection is the way to go. I'm not going to do it now, but feel free to let me know (but with context :-) if you find this guy coming back. Nyttend (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Roger that, thanks... :) Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 22:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure enough, it's the next day, and he's right back at it again: Special:Contributions/141.136.209.52. AzureCitizen (talk) 19:16, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

{{Uw-ipevadeblock}} blocks levied, and page semiprotected. Nyttend (talk) 19:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

That'll help. Interestingly, the IP repeatedly hit the Vaginismus article with a comment on feminism, right up till April 5th, when Joe Decker took action and protected the page for ~10 days, expiring April 16th. Sure enough, on April 16th (today), the IP shows back up again to do the same thing. Something tells me that as long as he can keep jumping IPs, he'll keep up at this, and if he happens to jump to new articles that have no connection to the ones he has attacked previously, it's difficult to detect him. Prior pages edited include Nazi hunter, Simon Wiesenthal, FEMEN, Marc Lepine, Gloria Steinem, and Feminazi. There's probably no way to range block him because the range of IPs is too great. AzureCitizen (talk) 20:07, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Today, he's jumped to an entirely new set of subnet ranges, hitting the Vaginismus article as well as doing some creative vandalism on the Longest Words article (Special:Contributions/89.164.224.118). Clearly, the editor is a troll, and sees vandalism as a form of entertainment. I don't want to keep bothering you with this guy, as I expect this is just going to go on day after day after day. Is there a noticeboard or anti-vandalism mechanism on Wikipedia that can best handle a troll like this? AzureCitizen (talk) 15:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Got your reply, roger that. Will consider putting up something like that... AzureCitizen (talk) 15:54, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Just a note to say that I did think awhile about posting something on ANI, asking if there was a way to design a filter to handle it, but after reviewing the edits I concluded there aren't any really distinct patterns in the edits that would either make a filter meaningful, or avoid the problem of the vandal adapting tactics. Meanwhile, the editor hasn't re-emerged in the last 48 hours and seems to be giving it a break. I think maybe for now I'll just let it rest, and see if it becomes a problem again later. Thanks again for your help... Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 16:37, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

The world of ZIPS!!!!

Nyttend, no problem. I always make 100% certain they have a county template associated. I call the ones lacking a template orphans. I have rescued a few. By the way, thanks fro making that list, it helps alot. As a note, some of the communities have been renamed so I try to note that in the actual article. I think I may get KY finished for sureCoal town guy (talk) 23:33, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Good observations about FAR western KY. I am going on another great trek in the end of May in McDowell County WV. I get my hiking clothes, and start driving. I usually stop at any static yellowed grass paths proceeding in a perfect line. Thats creasote, killing grass buried underneath bad reclamation and thats where I find places. They are at times, just stair cases in the woods. Other times, I get lucky and there is an actual passable road. ALWAYS have my cameras. No Big Foot sightings, BUT, good people and placesCoal town guy (talk) 01:32, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Private Idaho

Just curious as to why you made this a disambiguation page. The titles of the two works are not the same, and there are only two pages involved in any case (and unlikely to be more). This seems to be much more suited to a hatnote, as has been the case for some time (over four years by the history) now. -Dewelar (talk) 14:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

There's no need to discern a primary topic. Disambiguation is about ensuring pages have unique names. These two pages already have unique names, thus there is no need for further disambiguation. Additionally, I question whether anyone refers to the film as just "Private Idaho" -- in my experience, it's much more often the other way around, with people calling the song "Your Own Private Idaho" (since the film title itself isn't mentioned in the lyrics, and indeed why the film was titled as it is rather than the shorter version). -Dewelar (talk) 15:00, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, that response did not address my points at all. I'll go ahead and take this to WP:RM. -Dewelar (talk) 15:39, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, and I would suggest you visit WP:RM rather than prolong an unhelpful discussion. -Dewelar (talk) 16:23, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

County templates

Nyttend, I fixed the Monroe County WV template last night as we had an editor forget }} within the template nad BAM, ALL of Monroe county and its locations had no template. IF you were inclined to show a person how they worked/are written, I would be up for that. NOTE, I said IF in all caps as I understand you are busy as well. Thanks Coal town guy (talk) 12:39, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

What I want to know, and HOW I can do it. 1)ALOT NOT all, BUT ALOT of counties in WV and KY and OH and TN and WY etc etc have coal towns.......I wanted to know HOW, a person could add a either a coal town template, we have over 900 now, OR, should I just add a coal town portion to certain templates for those counties that coal towns? Your input and opinion on this is important to me and I will of course follow to the letter what you feel is bestCoal town guy (talk) 12:58, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

PS, get used to asking WHY alot, several counties in WV and ALOT in KY have what you just deletedCoal town guy (talk) 13:10, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

First please direct all comments to User:Frietjes. I use her code. I thought the code defaulted towards autocollapse. What are you talking about?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:58, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- I do not understand what is wrong. Please talke with User:Frietjes. We have done tens of thousands of templates. Don't just start undoing things without telling us what correction you want us to make. When we see it undone, we will probably re do it. Talk with her.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
  - I am not hiding behind a "we can't help it". I am saying talk to the person who writes the code because "We can fix it".--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:54, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

County government in the United States

Hi. I seem to have gotten myself into an edit war at Category:County government in the United States. There's just two of us there right now. I'd appreciate some additional eyes there, and specifically input on the topic of whether U.S. counties are (1) a level of local government or (2) an arm of state government. I think this is an area that you know about. Discussion thus far is on my User talk page at User_talk:Orlady#County_government, but we could move it to a content-oriented talk page if desired. --Orlady (talk) 00:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Greetings, I am the other side of the edit war. It seems that Orlady fully intends to carry on 50 discussions of the matter, as he or she has posted this on about a dozen state government article talk pages so far!! Perhaps we would be better advised to take it to WikiProject United States, and WikiProject Politics and be done with it. If you are interested...My claim is that although county officials may be elected or appointed locally (i.e. not statewide), the actual county government itself is an arm of the state government. This is consistent with the powers they exercise (elections, law enforcement, etc.). If we could have some academically informed input, I would appreciate it, because the general impression and intuition that people have is that county government is "local government," but to those who actually study political science formally, the difference is known. The compromise that I propose is the persons should be categorized under "local politicians" while the offices should be categorized under "state government." Greg Bard (talk) 00:46, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)::I have responded on Orladys talk page. I am fascinated by the subject. Has anyone ever considered the LEGAL test of YES or NO concerning Home Rule??? Its rather plain. If a state grants Home rule, then YES, a county can have governmental functions. If a state does NOT grant home rule to a county, it is oart and parcel a function of the state. This information is easily found by looking at the state constitutions of any of the US 50.....Coal town guy (talk) 00:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Nebraska: TRS coords

Just checked up on your addition of coords to the McCue-Trausch Farmstead in Adams County, Nebraska. The ones you had were in error: Google's satellite photo showed a roof configuration that was clearly different than the one in the Commons photos, which match the photo at the Adams County Historical Society site. I'd forgotten just where the place was, but checked the TRS1/4 given at the ACHS page, found the right place with the right roof, and corrected the coords.

Not sure how you found your coords, but a good place to look is the Nebraska Department of Natural Resources's Interactive Map. From this page, click on the link for "Nebraska Interactive Map". It's a GSI thing, so you'll have to check "Township-Range" and "Sections" to see those numbers. Once you've zoomed in, clicking the "Imagery" box gives the aerial photo.

I see that you've apparently been going through archaeological journals and trying to locate AR sites in Nebraska. If you find detailed information that'd help me find and photograph a site, could you let me know? Thanks. Ammodramus (talk) 02:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Could you double-check your coords for the Walker Gilmore Site? I clicked on them and was taken to a spot near the China-Mongolia border. I'm guessing that all we need is a negative sign on the longitude, but I'll let you take care of it, since you've already looked it up. Also, do we want the coords in the article as well as in the Cass County list? Thanks. Ammodramus (talk) 23:07, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Imprecise? Don't be so hard on yourself—you were on the right side of the equator. Most students in college algebra would expect partial credit for that. Ammodramus (talk) 23:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Will check up on some of the references you've sent me when I get back to Kearney; right now, I'm working the Panhandle. I've managed to photograph a few sites, and hope to get more today.

For what it's worth, I found the location of the Pike-Pawnee Village Site in Webster County some time ago. However, I decided against publishing it. Unlike most of the archaeological sites in the state, which'd yield chiefly charred corncobs and discolored dirt, the Pike site produced some grave goods that'd almost certainly be of interest to relic-hunters, e.g. peace medals and early-19th-century Army buttons; and it's far enough from human habitation to allow a bit of wildcat metal-detecting. I see that some of the articles to which you've referred me pertain to that site; if you should discover its location in the course of its research, could I urge you to consider the possible consequences of publishing it? Thanks. Ammodramus (talk) 11:31, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hmm... I hadn't realized that Asher duplicated Hill's map so clearly, with the TRS1/4 location. The same map appears in the nom form, but the copy quality there isn't good enough to read them. I got the location from the reproduction of Hill's map in the 1927 special issue of Nebraska History, which is where I thought you might find it.

I hadn't known about mapper.acme.com; that's a resource that's going in my collection of links on my userpage. In fact, I'm going to use it to check out one of the sites that I hope to photograph this morning. Thanks for letting me know about it. Note, however, that when I type "pike-pawnee village" in their search box, it gives me an exact location—for the Pawnee Indian Museum State Historic Site in Republic County, Kansas. Is that the one you're finding, or did you do a different sort of search? I don't see anything like the village marked on the topo map for Webster County.

Oh, my. Just checked out the site I want to investigate this morning: Beaver Wall and Sheridan Gates, located north of Hay Springs, Nebraska; the former is "in the middle of the Spotted Tail Agency and old Camp Sheridan". The topo map informs me that on the way there, I'm going to pass Squaw Tit Butte. Wonder how long it'll take for somebody to bring that to the Legislature's attention and have it changed to, say, "Mount Diversity"? Ammodramus (talk) 13:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see—I hadn't zoomed in fully, and hadn't realized that a more detailed topo map would appear. I'm going to have to spend a lot more time playing with the Acme mapper to see what other sorts of things will show up. Ammodramus (talk) 13:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for relisting "Template:Rozz Williams"

Thank you for relisting "Template:Rozz Williams"! --Jax 0677 (talk) 03:24, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Listings in NRHP in Southern Illinois

Hello Nyttend, thank you for your constructive criticism on my Dicussion Site in the German WP. I removed the both not existing entries in NRHP Lists in Gallatin County and Massac County. Regards --Angelika Lindner (talk) 17:57, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Hubele Mounds and Village Site

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Recreation of page for Science Vision

I am directed to contact you on recreation of Science Vision page which was deleted due to poor linking and lack of reliable resources. The fact is the journal migrated its website and indexing were changed. Now it is quite stable, and registration to Science Citation Index is being applied. Please assess User:Chhandama/Science vision and make comment. Chhandama (talk) 14:45, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Block evasion revisited

FYI, concerning [11], I have reported another instance. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 14:43, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Hubele Mounds and Village Site

On 22 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hubele Mounds and Village Site, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that scholarly estimates for the dates of southeastern Illinois' Hubele archaeological site vary by 1,400 years from earliest to latest? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hubele Mounds and Village Site. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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WP:AN Altemose and Philly Inquirer

You asked why I considered the article from the Inquirer an unreliable source (re: J. Leon Altemose)...The article from the Inquirer was an obituary piece. Obituaries aren't of news or historical value, they're puff pieces. And here, it was unreliably used to bolster the entire article. Not good form in my book. --ColonelHenry (talk) 01:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

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note; thanks for your help

thanks for your reply at WP:AN. I could really use some input on all of this. feel free to be in touch at any time, and in any way that you may wish. thanks very much. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

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Uh, would you mind restoring the Haddad material to Secular Islam Summit, or at least explaining your removal of it on the talk page? The "pre-dispute" version includes the quote, which has been in the article for months with one user trying to remove it, so I have no idea what you're talking about with your edit summary. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:04, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Your assessment of the article's edit history is obviously wrong on its face, but even putting that aside, jumping into the content dispute and pretending you're doing it as a neutral administrator is just embarrassing for you. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:02, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Try reading WP:NPA before making baseless accusations; it's not embarrassing to be accused falsely. Nyttend (talk) 19:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Nyttend, I would appreciate your undoing your action on that page. I had already told another editor on the article talk page that the protected version would not be changed unless there was a serious problem with vandalism or BLP in that revision. It was inappropriate for kwami to open an ANI thread complaining about my handling of the situation; now that I'm reviewing the thread, it seems that several individuals disagree with your action. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 20:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I see your point. Hopefully things can be worked out. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 20:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about the misplaced comments

I think they were a result of end of page being the end of what you see after you have been kicked out by an edit-conflict.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:40, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I might join you in running away, except it is largely my work that is being attacked. The extreme seems to have been by the user Avt tor, who not only reverted my putting people in Category:American women novelists but also in Category:19th-century American writers.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:44, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, are you online by any chance? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:44, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, can you help me erase a (now duplicated) edit which revealed IP? Lost connection had to log back in again. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:49, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

here, many thanks. Greatly appreciated. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:52, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

List of public art in Israel

Thank you. I think it is now sorted out. Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 06:09, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

My dispute with Iadrian_yu

Hello Nyttend,

I apologize for not providing diffs and I will do it now accordingly. I did not provide it and you misunderstood that this situation is about Romanian-Magyar issues. That is my mistake. It is actually about Romanian-Vlach issues.

Articles:

Vlachs of Serbia

Some of his edits:

[12] He doesn't list reference where the Vlachs identify themselves as "Romanians of Serbia."

[13] He intentionally writes that “Vlachs from Serbia” means in fact "Romanians from Serbia”

[14] He added inactive reference.

[15] He did it again.

[16] He removed Serbian language, although it’s official language in Serbia and the Vlachs are bilingual. Serbian is, also, the official language of the Vlach national Council according to their statute.

Less important, but not unimportant, he stated that Serbian language is not related to this ethnic group, which is not true, because they have a lot Slavic/Serbian words in their vocabulary, as well as Romanians have strong influence of Slavic languages (lexis, phonetics, morphology and syntax) on Romanian (from Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgarian, Serbian…). Wikipedia article: Slavic influence on Romanian

[17] He stated that "Serbs are not related to Vlachs". This is not true, as can be seen from the preceding explanation, and in addition, the Serbs were participated in the ethnogenesis of the Vlachs, and vice versa. They live together for centuries in the same areas.

[18] He removed reference of the Vlach National Council, stated that “this is a political organization”.

“The National Council represents a minority in the fields of education, culture, informing in the minority language and the official usage of language and script, making decisions on those issues, establishing institutions etc.” (Constitution of the Republic of Serbia).

Vlach language (Serbia) / Vlach language in Serbia

Some of his edits:

[19] He added Romanian instead of Eastern Romance.

[20] He suggests deleting this article.

But he did repeatedly redirection of this article: [21], [22]

[23] He added a link from BBC Romanian about some political issues as a reference that Vlachs speak Romanian?!

[24] He did it again, [25] and again.

[26] He classified Vlach “as a variety of the Romanian language”, although Vlachs themselves do not consider their language as a variety of Romanian.

[27] Reverted my revision to his and removed my references - official data from the Vlach National Council and Serbian 2011 Census statistics.

Also, the most of his links are inactive links (dead links). But the diffs are not the point of this problem.

However, I presume that since you noticed his activities that concern his Romanian-Magyar topics, that also proves that Iadrian has a tendency to be involved in the issues that concern the Romanian ethnic issues and language. (SPA) But, the core of the problem is the thing that you very well acknowledged in the end – he intentionally (TEND) represents the Vlachs as Romanians and Vlach language as Romanian. (HOAX) The Vlachs do not consider themselves Romanians and they do not call their language Romanian. (he is not respecting the (NPOV)) Vlachs in Serbia are recognized as an ethnic community. The Vlach National Council represents the Vlachs in Serbia, while the Romanians are being represented by the Romanian National Council. These two seperate peoples have partially a common origin and their languages belong in a group of the Eastern Romance languages (Vlach languages). Romanian nationalists and the Romanian propaganda continuosly tries to adopt all Eastern Romance (or Vlach) peoples and represent them as an integral part of the Romanian nation. Although, those peoples are acknowledged/recognized as a seperate peoples in different Balkan states.

For my references I have pointed out the statements of the Vlach National Council which represents the only official assembly/organization of the Vlach people of Serbia. While, the user Adrian pretentiously uses nationalist references and propaganda materials of the pro-Romanian NGOs, political parties and of the political entities in Romania which do not represent the Vlach people in whole in their respective states. Excuse me for my long elaboration, but I tried to maintain focus on an objective side of this problem.

In the end - the point is what you said: Iadrian is intentionally calling a group of people something that they're not, that's a main problem. (violation of (hoaxing policy))

I ask for your help in this issue. Thank you. Ljuboni (talk) 19:39, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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Said Hadjerrouit

From our article:

He holds a Ph.D. (1992) in Medical Expert Systems and Artificial Intelligence, and a Master (1985) in Software Engineering from the Technische Universität Berlin (Germany). He has been working at the University of Agder since 1991. Hadjerrouit has teaching experience in informatics and society, philosophical and ethical issues of computing, object-oriented programming, Web engineering, software development, databases, didactics of informatics, ICT in mathematics education, and ICT-based learning. His current research focuses on software engineering education, didactics of informatics, ICT in mathematics education, e-Learning, technology-enhanced learning, Web-based learning resources, Web 2.0 technology, and social software.

From http://home.uia.no/saidh/ :

Said Hadjerrouit received the MS and PhD degrees in informatics from the Technical University of Berlin (Germany), in 1985 and 1992, respectively. He joined Agder University, Kristiansand (Norway) in 1991. He is currently a Professor of Informatics at the Department of Mathematics. He has been in the teaching profession for 28 years. He has extensive experience teaching in object-oriented programming, software development, web engineering, ICT didactics, and ICT in mathematics education. His research interests include ICT and learning, didactics of informatics, E-learning, mathematics education, and moderne technology in mathematics teaching and learning.

Looks like a very close paraphrase to me. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:09, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Reamer Barn

Nyttend, you'll be pleased to know that I sent a letter on letterhead to "this guy" giving you the rest of the week off. I had to wheel and deal a bit--you're getting a C+, that was the best I could do. Good luck with it, by the way. Drmies (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey, wanna do something fun? Let's get "this guy" up on the front page on your graduation day. He's plenty notable per PROF, and I wrote up some bare bones. (Sounds like a fascinating prof, by the way. I wish we could get him to work at Wikipedia.) It needs a bit of dates and bio, the usual resume information that you can find easier than me. And then I'll let you off the hook for that barn. :) Drmies (talk) 20:09, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Real Life Barnstar
	My congratulations concerning your graduation! RFD (talk) 00:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

New York villages within towns

Greetings. I have noticed that lately you have been making a number of WP:TWODABS pages for villages in New York located within towns of the same name. You should be aware that, per Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/New York villages within towns, the community has come to the consensus that where only two possibilities exist, and one is a geographic unit encompassing the other, then the encompassing unit shall be treated as the primary topic for the term, unless the encompassed unit is demonstrably more notable, in which case the encompassed unit shall be the primary topic. The reason for this is to avoid a situation where large numbers of links point to a disambiguation page for which the encompassing body would be technically correct. Also, WP:TWODABS disfavors disambiguation pages having only two links, because any ambiguity could be solved with a hatnote. Since the villages are always already linked in the town articles, a disambiguation page is superfluous because those who are looking for the town will have reached the page without making an additional search, and those specifically looking for the village will find it as easily as they would with a disambiguation page. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

My issue is not with whether pages are at "Foo (town), New York", but with whether unnecessary WP:TWODABS disambiguation pages are being made. It is not my concern if you wish to redirect all of the "Foo, New York" pages to the appropriate "Foo (town), New York" pages, and put an appropriate redirect hatnote on the page. Cheers again! bd2412 T 23:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Woolrich, Pennsylvania

Could you please explain your recent deletion of Woolrich, Pennsylvania? As explained in the Woolrich article, this company town is a real place, with a zip code, shown on the map, and identified as the birthplace of at least one notable person. Thank you.--Arxiloxos (talk) 05:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Neanderthals of Gibraltar

Could you please take a look at this? [28] Prioryman (talk) 08:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

3RR -> ANI

Hello Nyttend. Regarding your recent post. It would not be improper for you to add your own analysis. If you think there is an actual concern (for example, a low-level edit war) it would help if you could say what it is. You mentioned 'serious allegations'. Reports at ANI sometimes get overlooked if the entire analysis is left as an exercise for the other admins. If this were still sitting at AN3, and if I had the time to look into it, I would probably try dialog to see if I could get any concessions from either or both sides. South American racial articles are like a Rorschach test; the racial makeup of a country is in the eye of the beholder. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Reamer Barn

I just realized that the Reamer Barn is in Oberlin, Ohio, hometown of Robert Reamer, who designed the Old Faithful Inn. I'd guess that Daniel Reamer was kin - have you seen any connection? Acroterion (talk) 17:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Never heard of Robert before, and I know literally nothing of Daniel except what's in the article. Perhaps you could request the nomination? FYI, I emailed NPS some time back to ask about Ohio nominations; they said that we're scheduled to be on Focus only after pretty much everybody else. Nyttend (talk) 17:33, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

According to this [29] (second page of the PDF doc), Daniel Reamer was Robert's brother. A Standard History of Lorain County also mentions the connection (pp. 1052-53 on Google Books). Acroterion (talk) 18:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Don't know why I didn't think to check for published county histories; I use them frequently and often recommend them to other people. "Physician, heal thyself" is appropriate here. As I read it (and as I typed into the biographical section of the barn article), Robert "C" Reamer was the nephew of the barn guy; did you make a typo, or do you think I'm reading the source wrongly? Nyttend (talk) 19:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Robert Chalmers Reamer was the barn guy's nephew and the brother of architect Daniel Reamer, nephew and namesake(?) of the barn owner. Robert and nephew Daniel never seem to have collaborated. Acroterion (talk) 20:50, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I misunderstood you; I forgot that the architect was also named Daniel. Nyttend (talk) 20:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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Probably is a browser issue, but I don't have yours available for testing at the moment. Might be able to cobble up a half-replacement, though; see my talk page for details. Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:50, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied again, with (hopefully) an understandable explanation of why it does what it does. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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KY ZIPS, my apologies and a question

Nyttend, I know you put a bit of work into this list and it is very very helpful. Thanks for letting me know how to proceed. I will however have one question. Some of these communities have a singular entry in GNIS as the Post Office only. How do you want to handle those? There is no GNIS entry for the community, ONLY its post office.Coal town guy (talk) 18:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Atlas and Gazetteer question

Hey there- I did indeed find the KY data online. Question though. I have a copy of Delormes WV Atlas and Gazetteer. I know of a few places I could ref usingh this BUT here is my question: With the KY data, there is a number associated and I could get a link and go from there. BUT, with the WV data, a hard copy, I have no number as a place identifier. I could use a page? and that could be an inline ref? I was also going to ask Catalyst as he has done a PILE of WV locations as well. ANY feedback you have would of course be welcomeCoal town guy (talk) 20:45, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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On 2 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Reamer Barn, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Ohio's Reamer Barn was architect-designed but built to house dairy cattle? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Reamer Barn. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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gun control RFC/DR/ETC

Since you seem to be active, and seemed interested in the gun control article, but are as of yet mostly uninvolved :

I requested FPP for Gun Control due to an edit war, so that a DR I opened could proceed. FPP has been granted. the DR is now rejected, because there is an open RFC on the topic. IMO the RFC is stale without consensus. It was opened 15 days ago. No major commenting in the RFC section has been done in several days, (although extensive discussions are elsewhere on the same topics). I made a motion to close on the talk page 3 days ago, which was seconded, but no other comments. I made a request for closure yesterday on the noticeboard with no response. Very heated controversial topic and debate, so definitely need an uninvolved person to close.

Interested in picking up the gauntlet? Gaijin42 (talk) 03:30, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013

I just nominated the redirect Nigger_pool for deletion. Frankly, any page with "N_gg_r " anything is a no-brained, as the term is disparaging to colored people. Yes I know what it means, it's the numbers game, however, it's not specifically identified with one race or one culture (the mob does it too, but it's not okay to call it a wop pool either ) Secondly, it's most common name is "Numbers game" or "Numbers racket". Just a heads up. KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ... 11:26, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Hit parade

Go ahead and merge it (as you proposed) Clearly there is no opposition Loginnigol (talk) 15:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Orange bar script updated; no longer cookie-dependent

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DYK? nomination

I responded to you here--Template:Did you know nominations/Historical racial and ethnic demographics of the United States--about my DYK? nomination. Please respond to me whenever you are able to. Thank you very much. Futurist110 (talk) 01:30, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I have now responded to you again at the same place as before. Futurist110 (talk) 07:53, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I responded to you again right now. Futurist110 (talk) 22:42, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, I have now fixed the various problems in this article which you told me to fix. I also added much more data to this article, all of it from the U.S. Census Bureau. Futurist110 (talk) 22:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

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"That would be disruptive because it would cause link rot

Hi. You denied my requests for speedy deletion of already moved files because it would cause link rot, however, I made a point to change all the links to the new image, so how would it cause link rot? Ramaksoud2000 ^{(Talk to me)} 02:31, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Address restricted NRHP sites

Hey, great work tracking down info on some really obscure National Register sites (Pinkie's Corner in Chase County, Nebraska and Malmo Mounds and Village Site in Aitkin County, Minnesota for instance). I'm a little unsure, though, because the "address restricted" status is specifically used for sites that are deemed vulnerable to looting or vandalism. I certainly appreciate knowledge for knowledge's sake, and it's a real boon to local editors like me who may be able to finally add a picture, but in doing so we may be contravening the experts who deemed these sites highly sensitive. I personally can see both sides of the issue, and just wanted to see what you thought. -McGhiever (talk) 04:32, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

(Talk page watcher) I've seen plenty of sites on the NHRP listed as "restricted address" that were public parks, landmarks with prominent signage, etc. The NHRP isn't really great at updating stuff like this in their listings, I usually take it with a grain of salt. He iro 04:34, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Just replied at Mcghiever's talk, but with both comments here, I might as well reply here too. Besides [what I said there, Herb has a good point — lots of these are prominent sites. See the photo of Grand Mound, for example; this AR site has a big sign in front, making it impossible to confuse with a natural hill. Other places for which I've done this, like the Eaker Site, don't have markers, but they've frequently been highly publicised locally. Pinkie's Corner is simply the landowners objecting for some reason to the NR mentioning their address; this is a simple group of buildings on a US highway. Nyttend (talk) 04:43, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) This topic is of extreme interest to me. As a note, and please see this as only an observation, there are several sites in McDowell County WV which will never have an "address" listed. You would be given the route etc etc and yes, there are some minor erros. The address restriction however is a real deal in a remote community. Vandalism, trespassing, manufacturing of illegal drugs, illicit drinking and drug use, theft, arson, illegal disposal of industrial waste, crime scene of a recent homicide, etc etc. There are resons, sometimes, not good ones.....Coal town guy (talk) 13:25, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

That's not exactly what's meant; Mcghiever refers to places like the rockshelters in Webster County or the Buffalo Indian Village Site in Putnam County. Places for which the NR restricts the address either are archaeological sites or are ones whose owners for some reason don't want the NR to publicise the address; Pinkie's Corner in Mcghiever's original message is an example of the latter, as is an article I recently wrote, Reamer Barn. As noted above, some of these restricted-address sites are prominent landmarks, such as Fort Boreman at Parkersburg. Nyttend (talk) 13:40, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

IP editor

This user has been vandalizing Por Ella Soy Eva and Corona de lágrimas (2012 telenovela). (s)he thinks that the former didn't win Best Telenovela while the latter did, even though the source provided states that PESE did in fact win Best Telenovela while CDL didn't. I've warned him 3 times, yet (s)he continues to revert my edits. Platinum Star (talk) 00:17, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Now this vandal is using another IP address and claims that CDL won Best Telenovela when in fact that info is incorrect. These three sources confirm that PESE won that award. I can't do much anymore as I don't want to violate the 3-revert rule. Warnings given out weren't enough in this case. Platinum Star (talk) 03:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back! Everything's in order, and I warned the IP editor for his disruptive edits. This article might need protection too since it's connected with CDL and PESE in some way. I reverted his edits just now, and he's likely to restore them. Platinum Star (talk) 11:42, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Yankeetown Site

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Your friendly note on my talkpage [30], is well received. Sure I do not feel offended (no bad faith edit perceived). Also I understand I created the problem ;-). Thanks for spending time & care on the mess I started. -DePiep (talk) 21:14, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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Need help with template

Hi Nyttend,

This template on Hakka Wikipedia does not look as colourful as the Chinese version, nor the English version. Can you help us fix this problem?

I do not have a computer programming background, so I am unsure where the source of the coding originates from. My attempts to update the navbox template resulted in a "script error", so I reverted my edit.

You have my permission to enhance the navbox & navbar templates on Hakka Wikipedia to make it in line with either the English or Chinese version. --Hak-kâ-ngìn (talk) 10:41, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. --Hak-kâ-ngìn (talk) 11:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

A pie for you! (late thank-you)

A late thank-you for your help with Theo's little bot. I still wish there were instructions from the bot for instances where the source is "me"! Unfortunately the operator has not responded to my query. All the best, 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 15:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Thunderbirds and the 13 Grandmothers redux

You weighed in a few weeks ago about this issue at (User talk:50.0.83.116#Thunderbird). The IP has returned (50.0.83.116 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)) , determined to re-add the material to the article, but at least for now they have confined themselves to talk pages. They have also started an account (EM Che (talk · contribs)). This (Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 148#Talk:Thunderbird (mythology)) may have to be revisited. I would appreciate any help you can offer over at Talk:Thunderbird (mythology). Cheers! He iro 18:53, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

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Updating GNIS

Nyttend- Many thanks for the help on the fromer KY city. Just a heads up, I have finally manmaged to get some places in GNIS after speaking with the folks there and showing them some older maps. VERY exceited about the process, so if you should see edit descriptors stating new GNIS data, that will be whyCoal town guy (talk) 12:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Ball back in your court?

I have spent an inordinate amount of time dealing with Template:Did you know nominations/Historical racial and ethnic demographics of the United States -- including a lot of editing of the article. I think the next steps belong to the article creator, but after that I'm throwing the ball back into your court if you are willing, or we can leave it for another DYK reviewer. --Orlady (talk) 19:18, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Help needed

I need some help. User:IvanOS was blocked per week in March by you because of nationalistic removal of sources. Now he is doing it again. Just look at 17th of May. 0 talk page activity, vast removal of sourced content per IDONTLIKEIT, strong POV pushing. He is obviously NOTHERE. --WhiteWriter^speaks 15:57, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

My contributions are not directed against Serbs, as WhiteWriter shows. If we talk about minority names of Croatian settlements, I already told opinion and reason of activity. This case also should be clear: Ja sam za ples is Croatian song (as I wrote) and it is sung in Croatian language (Serbo-Croatian does not exist, that was artificially created language). Given that that is Croatian song sang in Croatian language, there is no reason to add Serbian or name in other language (except English, which is "official" language of Eurovision Song Contest) in article. --Ivan OS 17:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, I really did not know anything about using of South Slavic languages in Wikipedia. But, if in Wikipedia is "official" so called Serbo-Croatian language, is that reason to hush up Croatian language and its existing in articles?! --Ivan OS 17:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Your punctuation errors

This edit of yours seems to do nothing but introduce punctuation errors violating WP:MOS. You said "Do not change the titles of cited works." But where was that done? Michael Hardy (talk) 21:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

You replaced a hyphen in a citation with a dash; this is not in keeping with citation standards such as Chicago or MLA, which say that we reproduce titles accurately; feel free to add a [sic] after something you believe to be an error, but not to change something. Since you make such a big deal about imposing standards not used by real-world citation guidelines, you should be even more concerned about heeding actual citation guidelines instead of changing something that you see as an error. Nyttend (talk) 21:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Your reversion did not simply change titles; it changed pp. 18–19 to pp. 18-19 and did several similar things. And why should I add "[sic]" indicating that the title does indeed appear with a hyphen when in fact it does not? Specifically which titles containing a hyphen to you think were altered? Michael Hardy (talk) 21:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

... and now I've gone through the article and checked everything that might appear to be a cited title in which I changed a hyphen to an en-dash. Two of them do indeed have en-dashes, not hyphens, in the headlines. In the other cases, the thing that looked as if it might be a title was not, and linked to something containing neither a hyphen nor an en-dash as a headline or a title.

So it's more accurate after my edits than before, and I did not introduce any new inaccuracies.

If someone cites a book called Uncle Tom's Cabbin, and I change it to Uncle Tom's Cabin, which is the correct title, will you respond by saying I should not change titles of cited works, and I should have written Uncle Tom's Cabbin [sic], even though the title on the actual book is Uncle Tom's Cabin? I don't think I ought to abstain from correcting titles of incorrectly cited works. Michael Hardy (talk) 22:21, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

BEGIN QUOTE: However, after you explain how it's possible for the vast majority of English users to be wrong in their use of the language, and after you explain how mass changes to citation styles (e.g. pp. 18-19 to pp. 18–19), are in line with WP:CITEVAR, you'll need to alter your script or your manual method of making changes (can't remember if you used a script or not) to ensure that you check every single source that uses dashes, because most don't.
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It is not WP:CITEVAR that governs en-dashes in ranges of pages, years, etc.; it is Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Dashes. Note:

1. In ranges that might otherwise be expressed with to or through [edit]

pp. 211–19; 64–75%; the 1939–45 war

This is standard usage in Wikipedia articles. A range of pages does not have to follow any style that is used in the cited work, since it's not quoting from the cited work. Michael Hardy (talk) 18:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

My copies of Chicago and MLA use hyphens, as do other editions, and CITEVAR says not to change an article's established citation style. If the first citations are added with a style that says to use dashes, it shouldn't be changed away, but your changes don't appear to take into account variations in citation styles. Nyttend (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you should bring that up on the talk page of WP:MOS, since that's been clear for years that en-dashes are used in ranges. Various different citation styles are used in Wikipedia articles, e.g. in some instances the name of the author comes before the name of the cited work and in other instances it comes after it. I don't think changing a hyphen to an en-dash in a range of pages can be considered a change in the citation style. Michael Hardy (talk) 18:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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You recently deleted my submission, titled FORZA for the reason displayed above. This is a link to the deleted page: [31] I completely respect the rules of article creation on Wikipedia and rather than try to argue the issue, I would really appreciate some advice regarding the errors that I have made and then have a chance to rectify them. Sam325 (talk) 08:39, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your comments. I now see where I was going wrong and will go away and have a major edit. I would greatly appreciate it if you could send me the contents of the page. Thanks again, and hopefully I can do a better job next time Sam325 (talk) 13:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I didn't realise. Yes, if you could delete it that would be great. And I will lower case the title of the page as well. Thanks Sam325 (talk) 13:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I will have another go at it and keep all of your comments in mind. Before I submit it next time, would it be possible to leave you a message with a link to the draft page so that you can have a quick glance at it? Sam325 (talk) 13:48, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Here is a link for a revised version of the Forza page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Forza If you could have a quick look over it that would be great Sam325 (talk) 09:06, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Would it be better if I took out the whole "UK's first legal T5" section for now and re-introduce that section later on once I have some good sources? Sam325 (talk) 11:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Nyttend. Don't worry about making time to review it. I am happy to wait until whenever you are free next. You are helping me massively with this so please feel free to take your time! Thanks again Sam325 (talk) 12:37, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I very much appreciate your comments. Thanks for taking the time to help me on this, I will concentrate on gradually improving the article and will let you know when I have something that could be considered a finished artcle. Thanks Sam325 (talk) 12:52, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Antarctica

I was thinking of copy/pasting the small lead from the transport article to a section between the Research and the Ice mass.... sections. I would just use CC-by in the edit summary instead of trying to re-write it as it isn't very big and well worded. Economy is too narrow as transport is used in many sections. Some transport is not commercial so it may look funny in economy. I added that first ever winter rescue to transport a while ago and was wondering if we should have a section related to accidents, incidents, type thing (Safety and emergencies?). They are few and just stuffed in the history article now with not much content. It may also need a Popular culture section to mention things like Pole to Pole in case readers don't know Michael Palin or the series. There may be another popular culture event soon if it is doable. I will try my plan for transport and if someone moves it I will walk away. As long as it is in the article somewhere besides the bottom template I am happy. Popular culture and Emergency/safety can wait unless a huge amount of them actually happened or happen.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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Talkback

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Barbarianbort ANI

I was looking at your reply on this, and wondering how I missed an edit on a major astronomical article like Betelgeuse when going through contribs. I checked, and the edit was to Beetlejuice (the movie), not Betelgeuse (the star). Doesn't matter much, because the underlying statement is correct, but I wanted to let you know in case you felt it was correctable. MSJapan (talk) 01:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

PWC

What would you think of a {{Dubious}} template? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 04:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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Lighthouse naming

Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(architecture)#Lighthouses says to use Lighthouse. Is there another convention some place that you're relying on? Dicklyon (talk) 07:28, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hi. Can you keep an eye on this, he's having a lot of trouble from somebody using multiple IP addresses leaving sarcastic attacks on him. Better still semi-protect to prevent them.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

IP vandal

This IP editor has been vandalizing articles dealing with Telemundo's telenovelas. He's been warned 4 times in a 10-minute period or so and he doesn't stop. Platinum Star (talk) 20:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipediocracy AfD

Do you consider the images being disputed to be acceptable or not? AutomaticStrikeout ? 22:13, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the DRV, I've reformatted it slightly to make it a bit easier to read. I found it quite confusing at first. Hope this is OK. Prioryman (talk) 22:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I don't care how it ends up; my goal was simply to follow proper procedure in a way that didn't make extra work for the nominator, and the only thing I don't want to be changed is the sentences that I myself wrote. Nyttend (talk) 22:30, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I didn't change those, as you'll have seen. I appreciate your intentions. Prioryman (talk) 23:40, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Washington Cemetery (Washington Court House, Ohio)

On 25 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Washington Cemetery (Washington Court House, Ohio), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Ohio's Washington Cemetery is the burial place of two congressmen and U.S. Secretary of State Harry M. Daugherty? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Washington Cemetery (Washington Court House, Ohio). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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National Register of Historic Places listings in Grand County, Colorado

I have recently begun compiling a list of duplicates across state/county boundaries at User:Dudemanfellabra/Sandbox (although it is taking me a while to do it since I've been doing other things as well). I hope to eventually get the list to update automatically like the Progress page does. In making that list, I came across Trail Ridge Road and North Inlet Trail which are duplicated in the Larimer and Grand County, Colorado, lists. Generally when a duplicated listing is illustrated, it should be illustrated on every list in which it appears. If it isn't, calling that duplicate illustrated on the Progress page (which both of these are) is a false statement because there are not two images for that site, and thus it needn't be subtracted off from the total. I can understand that you don't think a picture should go in the Grand County list if the picture wasn't taken in Larimer County, but are there any other pictures that would suffice? I see several included on Trail Ridge Road besides the one you removed; are any of those taken in the Grand County portion? I can't find any others for the North Inlet Trail, so I'm not sure what to do about that one. If we can't find any, I think probably the best remedy would be not to count that listing as an illustrated duplication; possibly put a note on the Progress page about it.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 17:16, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Perry County Courthouse (Ohio)

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Perry County Courthouse

I noted WP:OBVIOUS as the justification for my last revert. To expand on it:

I was actually living in Ohio when that case was decided (that, in fact, is why I went to look at the article), and was part of a team of reporters covering it for a suburban weekly newspaper chain. There really were people (outside of the elected officials and school superintendents I mostly talked to) who thought the state Supreme Court was interpreting the U.S. Constitution, and wondered where in that document the "thorough and efficient" clause was.
You had initially capitalized the word "constitution". Most people commonly understand that to mean the U.S. Constitution is being referred to. Outside of some state-court opinions perhaps, I don't think it's common to capitalize it when referring to a state constitution.
Sometimes, in fact, state courts are called upon to interpret the U.S. Constitution (I have a short SCOTUS case I'm thinking of writing about soon that turns on exactly that, how the Virginia Supreme Court of Appeals read the Fourteenth Amendment) as part of a case.
There is a lot of confusion outside the community of those of us, for whatever reason, aware of legal distinctions like this. I once saw, in a story in the Newark Star-Ledger, a reporter refer to a decision handed down by "the state's Third Circuit Court of Appeals". I hope they were new on the job, but consider that, even though it was a weekend, a copy editor should also have caught that. If even New Jersey's newspaper of record can't always get something like that right, we owe it to our readers and, indeed, our larger community to not further foster that confusion.
So, I don't think there are many readers as knowledgeable about this as we'd all like to think (Also remember that, on hard copy, the link will not be available for a non-knowledgeable reader).

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Maryknoll, New York

Why did you delete Maryknoll, New York? There's no community of Maryknoll, and the Maryknoll ZIP code is used for Maryknoll's headquarters, so the only reason someone would use Maryknoll, New York is to refer to the organization's address. (Sorry for asking about this a month after the fact; I only noticed when checking the ZIP code of another place in New York.) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:11, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Pinging

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Hello, Nyttend. Both thank-yous were registered, with the second (Mohammad Naeemullah Lecturer IT/Computer Science) coming in approximately three minutes after the first. I can still see both notifications, even though the pages were subsequently deleted (though the edits that were "thanked" are now red-linked). By the way, thank you for thanking me! Super Mario Man 03:20, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

RFA

Ever thought of trying for administrator? We could always use more admins, and I'd be happy to nominate you. Nyttend (talk) 23:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

That's a very flattering suggestion, for which many thanks. However, I don't think I'm ready yet: there are a number of areas of Wikipolicy with which I'm too little familiar.

Moreover, as an administrator I'd feel obligated to set a good example for others. I'm not often sarcastic in my edit summaries, but there are times when entering a summary like "Translated into English" gives me great spiritual relief after hacking my way through a dense thicket of semiliteracy. Administrators presumably have to forgo yielding to these impulses... Ammodramus (talk) 12:11, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Cheers for fixing the cut and paste move at Aanchal Munjal. I saw it on my watchlist this morning and had wandered off to make a cup of coffee before fixing it and voila! Already done! --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 15:22, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Wiknic 2013

Chanitra said she'd work on it, but I've heard nothing from her. If you're able to help make sure it happens, that'd be great. I'm in Evansville, as you know, so I won't be very good for securing a venue, but I can bring some food. I think June 15th is the date that will work best, based on the Doodle poll. Please keep me posted-- I'm planning on showing up even if it's a smaller turnout than last year. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:34, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Making Poker Friends App Article acceptable

Hello Nyttend, I've just seen that the "Poker Friends" article I wrote was deleted. Would like help in re-writing it in an acceptable manner. What should I watch out for?

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I responded to your question at ANI. I also cite what I would have considered advice being called "obvious trolling"[32]. Kumioko is out of hand and this is now the 6th time I've seen them go off the deep end Hasteur (talk) 16:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Help regarding Mahāvīra

Can you please help me to create sections in Mahāvīra? I want to add some online refs and some info. But I can't edit it as it is more than 5000 characters long. But I can edit each section upto 5000 characters long. You may give any names to sections temporarily if it takes too much time for you to decide. I will fix it as per contents. Thanks. neo (talk) 16:48, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I am going there. neo (talk) 17:21, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I think wikipedia is not place to contribute anymore. I am being forced to prove silly things like 'being brahmin, reading/preaching hindu texts, praying before hindu deities means being a hindu'. I banged my head about this user:Rahuljain2307 many times in ANI. I may keep improving this article and this user will restore his version with single click. He will keep arguing about silly things, claim that no source is reliable. It would take forever in different forums to fight with him while he will keep sitting on his version. Or he may redirect article to some other article like he is doing with articles like this. I will keep looking at blank edit summary wondering what to do. ANI remains silent and why should I run here and there to argue about absolute nonsense of trolls.

So sorry. I tried to improve article bit. You may restore yesterday's version. Thanks. neo (talk) 16:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Diagonal line for cavalry

Many thanks for the star. Alansplodge (talk) 07:22, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

East Liverpool, Ohio

I just came across where you edited person articles into this category. People are categorized by locality aka 'People from Columbiana County Ohio' or if a town in that county has its own category then 'People from Salem, Ohio, and some of those edits[33] you did were to persons who were already categorized 'People from Columbiana County'. If a town or city has many sufficient people from it, a category can be created. That would have been the correct process and I'm actually doing that now. Anyone in the category 'East Liverpool, Ohio' will be moved to 'People from East Liverpool Ohio' and if they have are categorized 'People from Columbiana County Ohio', that one will be removed. The 'People from East Liverpool, Ohio' is categorized 'East Liverpool, Ohio'....William 16:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Maryland "NRHP forms"

Go to http://mht.maryland.gov/nr/NRCountyList.aspx?COUNTY=Garrett for a list of sites. The description and significance sections are FROM the forms. In Baltimore city there are often HD maps and the like linked, but I didn't see any in Garrett County.

(signed)

Page stalker

aka Smallbones_(smalltalk) 03:20, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

User_talk:DexDor#Blue_plaques_categories

Rollback Ok, but WP:LISTIFY says "Once the replacement exists, the original category can be tagged for speedy deletion." - should that be altered ? DexDor (talk) 05:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Mussafah

You didn't realise this but in your rather heavy-handed editing you retained a previous copyvio, the worse of two evils.. If you'd clicked the copyvio detector at DYK you'd have spotted it, so your rather rash editing quite frankly puzzles me. Obviously you'd have known that we'd have sorted out the problem within a few hours so why you felt the need to do that also strikes me as odd. On economic articles with a lot of figures and specific details in development, sometimes it is difficult to avoid close paraphrasing. I think I've reworded the most obvious examples, if I've missed any please let me know and I'll fix it huh?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 09:28, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it may or may not have been a mirror of the wikipedia article on that website. You might not appreciate my tone, but I don't appreciate you removing 11kb of work just because a few lines might have been too similar to the original, I'd have soon fixed it myself. If it had been a direct copyvio problem then I'd have supported an immediate nuke and restore but it wasn't and I think you acted more rashly than you need to over it, but that's my opinion, sorry if you're upset by it.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:32, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

At least put it in User:Dr. Blofeld/Mussafah or email me the content with the sourcing intact and I'll restore it.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Emailed.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:47, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

User:DonThorntonJr (on en.Wiktionary)

This user was blocked for spamming. His one and only edit was a link to a website. I have unblocked him, but will not undelete his user page. I shall block him again if he recreates the same type of material. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

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Blank comments subpages

Greetings Nyttend. I noticed you reverted some of my recent CSD submissions because you say they weren't against policy. Your right, there is no policy but it was a community consensus not to use subpages anymore. These are just leftovers and there blank, so we don't need them. Also, I had submitted some to MFD but the CSD'ed them. That indicates to me that CSD is the correct route. BTW, I did read your rationale. Its just not correct. Cheers. Kumioko (talk) 00:54, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

These pages are just not needed, there not used and the community consensus is they should be deleted after the comments have been moved to the talk page (if applicable). These are blank, some are just redirects. I am starting with those. I submitted some others to MFD as I mentioned and they got sent to CSD. So if the community has determined they should be deleted, they can't be CSD'ed and they can't be MFD'ed how do we get rid of them? Kumioko (talk) 01:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Mohammad javad Bahonar.jpg

Hi. On this edit, I didn't understand why the file is in public domain in the US as it is a media file and its date of first publishing and its author is unknown. Maybe this is irrelant but the uploader has been blocked and has a history of copyright vilotion. Check this also. My best.Farhikht (talk) 10:20, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes but Iran has its own copyright law and WP respect that law. You can find it here.Farhikht (talk) 11:31, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I didn't understand exactly why you think that that file is not on public domain in the US while the date of its creation, the creator and the 1st publishing date are unknown and is not mentioned in the source.Farhikht (talk) 13:18, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

This file has been published by an Iranian website but we don't know who is the creator (or the copyright holder). How do you know that the creator is not an American photographer and because there is no copyright law between 2 countries someone published the copyrighted file in Iran?Farhikht (talk) 17:06, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I give you an example: this is a news article published by an Iranian agency. How about if I upload this photo of Oliver Stone on Wikipedia?Farhikht (talk) 17:59, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Would you please take a look at this article?Farhikht (talk) 18:50, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

What I try to say is that all photos which you find on Iranian news agencies are copyrighted under the US law. Iranian journalists find them via a search on internet. For example that photo of O. Stone is probably a photo of WSJ or New York Times or TIME, or another press agency. Do you get the point?Farhikht (talk) 19:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I have no evidence of the first publisher of the file. I supposed that you are right but I asked an Iranian admin to read this discussion.Farhikht (talk) 20:02, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Roozbeh who is an Iranian admin at English Wikipedia and now the issue better than me. I sent him a mail. I don't know what action made you think that I try to delete this file illegitimately while for me this file is just a file like many other files on Wikipedia. I just asked you a question because I saw many files has been deleted on English Wikipedia because they were media files and they were all published for the first time on an Iranian agency. For example (and as I remember) some deleted files uploaded by this user.Farhikht (talk) 20:23, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Rights

I believe you said you'd be willing to re-assign my RB and RV rights. If you still are okay with that, could I have them back? Reviewer especially, for PC1 pages that new users want to edit, as well as for unaccepting revisions (or declining, whatever the button says now).

If you'd rather me re-request them, I can do such, it's no biggie, nothing extremely urgent "omg need them now" :)

Thanks, Charmlet (talk) 19:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks then. If anyone gives you heat, feel free to use your judgement/ask for consensus or anything (even though the two rights are admin discretion anyway :)) Charmlet (talk) 20:07, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Makes sense. Thanks again :) Charmlet (talk) 20:24, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

ANI request about your reversions against consensus and threats

I just opened a discussion at ANI about your reversions of my edits against a clear consensus and your threats here. Kumioko (talk) 12:53, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

move

Of course "()" is not appropriate in a title. It's a place holder until someone moves it to a proper title. We don't title our articles things like "America (United States)". — kwami (talk) 20:19, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

You need to stop with the childish reversions

You need to stop the childish reversions. You are against consensus and violating policy. Multiple editors in the ANI discussion agreed that these qualify for CSD as did some on my talk page and at MFD. You are in violation of policy and are at risk of me submitting the problem back to ANI again. Continued abuse could result in a loss of the admin tools, an interaction ban or potentially a ban. Kumioko (talk) 03:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I again notified ANI about your abusive reversion actions. I admit I don't expect anything to come out of it but I am not willing to let an admin who should know better violate policy just because they don't agree with an action that has a clear consensus. It is a violation of how this project is supposed to work and you should know better. I also pointed out that you where edit warring and asked them to tell you to stop. Kumioko (talk) 04:01, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, based on the complete lack of action with my ANI submission, which frankly I expected due to your status as an admin, you win. There is nothing I as an editor can do when admins violate policy if the community allows it. So I will submit these pages to MFD and make more work, for more people, because one admin wants to be the king of the hill. Great job, well done. You showed me without a doubt that the us and them mentality I have been harping about truly does exist. Its also an example of how not to act as an admin. Kumioko (talk) 11:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Magazines and TV Screens Tour

Hi, thanks for correcting my tag on the above article. I am still new to wikipedia and am undergoing a learning process. My rationale for taging the article was that I felt it was unduly promotional, existing only to advertise the upcoming tour of the group Union J. Considering that the article is about a future event, I felt it is in contradiction to Wikipedia:Future event and WP:CRYSTALBALL. Besides this The article hardly meets up to the inclusion criteria for Wikipedia:Notability (events), which states; Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance. I believe the article is actually nothing more than a rewording of this news article, and falls short of WP:NOTNEWS. Nor do I feel the depth of coverage is sufficient to establish notability of the event, the BBC link provided is dead. I realize that these criteria might not be sufficient to rationalize a speedy deletion tag, or that some of the criteria might not correctly apply to this case, but felt this might be a good opportunity to learn some more about policy, hence I would appreciate your sharing your thoughts with me on these. Thanks Ochiwar (talk) 07:32, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Dia dos Namorados

Can you check in at DYK regarding the Dia dos Namorados hook. I have responded to your concern.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:58, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Can you please reconsider this review.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:18, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Dat move/merge

Yea, we EC'ed. FPP won't help. Wanna sort it out? :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 02:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I think I just restored too many revisions, those after the first move need to be deleted again. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 02:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Your comment about not remembering I was admin made me go back to my RfA to see if you had voted... and I found myself bursting with laughter when I read your vote about "not breaking things"! :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 03:35, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Blocking of user account

Hello sir,

Thank you so much for blocking user Prateikakarsh1.

Regards,

Raghusri (talk) 14:12, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Just wondering

Hi, you said on my block for Monterrosa that I had hurt the page when I reverted him. Can I ask you to explain that? All I did was remove rowspans, and shorted titles of characters name to not make the table so busy. Lady Lotus (talk) 14:31, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

??

[34] ! JamesBWatson (talk) 15:21, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Petroglyph Canyon

On 21 June 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Petroglyph Canyon, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Petroglyph Canyon is one of Montana's most important petroglyph sites? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Petroglyph Canyon. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Deleted page

Hello Nyttend,

yesterday I created this page and it got a notification for deletion. I left a message on the talk page explaining what happened and that I would replace the text later, but today when I came back I saw that I didn't get any answer there. So, I clicked on the "edit" to "clean up" the article and replace the part that was marked for copyright issues with a text based on my own words like I said I was going to do on the talk page, but the page was deleted. One minute was there and the next it was gone without getting any reply. Is it OK to re-create the page? Thanks. TeamGale (talk) 11:36, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for all your help. I don't think I have any questions for now. I'll try to expand the article. In case I need something I'll come back here or go to Help Desk as you said. Thanks again. TeamGale (talk) 12:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello there :) Wow, that was a long trip!

Thank you so much for your feedback. About the first request, I have to say that I wrote the plot based on me watching the episode. As I've seen in almost 95% (of course I can't check all the episodes on wiki) of the shows with detailed plots for their episodes, there are no refs since I suppose the editors also wrote them the way I did. I'll sure add the ABC link. I don't mind at all doing it :) but for more right now I don't have any.
The second request...I totally understand what you are saying about formal and thank you for that. You are right. Just english is not my first language and while I am writing I don't think of that. Now I'll have it in mind. I'll edit the article again making the changes that are necessary and I'll have it in mind now for future edits :)
I'll do all the changes and I'll search for more sources on the plot (hopefully I'll find some) when I'll get back home because now I have to go. It's 7:30am here and I'll be back in the afternoon. Just a question, is it wrong to write a plot based only on watching the episode? Because usually we can't find a detailed plot in an official source. Thanks again for all your help and feedback. TeamGale (talk) 04:29, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello again. Just made a search about sources but every site I found just has the plot from ABC. I found though a bigger one on ABC that I am going to add and also the only long summary I found is the one from IMDb. Should I add that one too? Other choices are the reviews of every episode where the writer of the article describes what happen in the episode along with their personal opinion. But those are already linked on the "Reviews" section. TeamGale (talk) 13:47, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Aww! That's nice! Hope you are still in touch. :) Yes, in Cyprus distances are really short. The longest trip might be only 3 hours. When I had my first long train trip (12 hours) I said never again...unless is extremely necessary ;) Thank you for the help section. Maybe it's better ask there and hopefully I'll get an answer. TeamGale (talk) 20:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey! Just passing by to say that "problem" is solved. The guys on Help Desk were really helpful. It seems that someone can use the episode as a primary source to write a plot as long as they don't add personal interpretation to do it but just describe it. They gave me some really helpful links. If you want to pass by there to take a look, it's under the "Episode's plots/summaries" section :) TeamGale (talk) 08:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:SKEPTICS

I see you have reverted my speedy deletion requests for those redirects. The entire Pseudoscience project has been merged with WikiProject Skepticism, and this is merely cleanup. In some of those cases the redirect is an orphan, and in other there are two or three talk page, and archived links. If you feel strongly that these two or three links are so crucial, then we are left with a sloppy merge. However, in the case of the orphans, there is zero reason for them to remain. Let's clean this up shall we? Greg Bard (talk) 19:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

You are invited for discussion

Hello,

As one of the participants in the original discussion, you are invited to participate in the follow-up discussion to a Mass removal of indefinite rangeblocks under controlled conditions. Your views will be appreciated.

Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 06:45, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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Category:Presbyteries

I'm OK with a CfD. --JFH (talk) 11:28, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Copyright of Iranian files

Hi. Following our discussion, I asked an admin (Quadell) to give his opinion on the issue. Here you can find his comment.Farhikht (talk) 13:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

The db-banned

Thanks for reviewing it. The way I understood it is someone who doesn't want to take the edits for themselves can tag it, and then if another editor wants to improve the article/"take it under their belt" so to speak they can do such. I agree it was a decentish article, I just haven't the time to improve it. Charmlet (talk) 17:15, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Works for me :) Charmlet (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

stalking

Thanks for your action on stalking. Based on the response from that prior commented from my report, I was astonished that such a blatant action was going to go unchecked! Again, appreciated. Gaijin42 (talk) 22:36, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Would you take a look at [35] ? Its certainly not as blatant as the editor you took action on, but is similar. Seems to be a sleeper account, reactivated right after your block, doing some miscellaneous cleanup edits, in particular commented on the snark !vote from the previous harrasser, [36] which brought them to my attention, and then have proceeded to go through and touch several various articles I edit on. I wouldn't say its hounding, as none of the edits are aggressive (excepting the most recent, an AFD nomination), but it does certainly appear to be following of some sort, and in such close proximity to the previous incident seems suspicious. The interaction covers a very diverse set of topics that seems unlikely to be coincidence [37] , but as it isn't as obvious as previously, I am unsure what the proper action would be. Is this a duck? worthy of an SPI? Or just somebody who noticed me and is clicking around? If it is another sock, I wish there was some way to identify the real puppeteer, but they are at least doing a good job of making identifying themselves difficult. Gaijin42 (talk) 03:15, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Amores verdaderos

I would like to request a page protection for this article. As per the edit history, IP editors have been removing Sherlyn's names in the telenovela. She has two identities: Liliana Arriaga and Lucía Celorio Balvanera de Pavía. The former was named by her "supposed" parents who raised her since infancy (Eduardo Yáñez & Mónika Sánchez); the latter was named by her biological mother who never knew her existence until towards the end of the telenovela (Natalia Esperón). Two sources were provided to confirm these 2 identities and in my opinion, they need to stay.

The main problem is that the IP editors are removing one & leaving the other. In addition to that, one IP editor is removing the sources I provided without explanation. I've warned the editor. Platinum Star (talk) 00:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Maryland Inventory of Historical Properties

I just noticed your question on Pubdog's talkpage about the NRHP docs for Maryland: the Maryland Inventory of Historical Properties is here [38]. It contains NRHP properties and places the MHT thought might be candidates in the same format. You can use the tabs at the top of the page to navigate. Nothing in Baltimore City for some reason. Acroterion (talk) 02:05, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I didn't realise that they provided coverage for NR sites except in the NR section, which as Smallbones noted above (section Maryland "NRHP forms") doesn't provide nominations. Didn't have time for too much photography (my brother's wedding rehearsal was that day, so I only had a little while between rehearsal dinner and sunset), but at least I'll be able to supply a photo for Penn Alps, one of the previously-unillustrated Inns on the National Road, and anyway it's good to add another state to my personal photo collection. Nyttend (talk) 17:19, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

It's not the easiest website to use, bit they've got a ton of material on both NRHP properties and places that they surveyed simply as potentially historical properties, using the NRHP format for documentation. Acroterion (talk) 03:33, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

No complaints :-) I've grown accustomed to a comparable setup with the IHPA HARGIS, which has tons of records for non-NR historic sites throughout Illinois; I can easily tell what's listed and what's not, and having information for tons of other sites is far more helpful than having information just for the NR sites. It helped me with File:Elliott-Stanton House near Grantsville.jpg, for example. Nyttend (talk) 17:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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PennDOT Bridges

The PennDOT photos were only for the bridges on the "Highway Bridges Owned by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Department of Transportation TR", which I am pretty sure did not include Frantz's Bridge. I also could not access CRGIS today. The person I spoke with at PennDOT was Kara Russell, see here. I would contact her to see if 1) PennDOT took the photo and 2) if they would release it. There is a guy from Philly area who has taken many pictures of NRHP sites who I will contact - he tends to upload what does not have a picture, but it can't hurt to ask. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:41, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

PS See Commons:Template:Pennsylvania Department of Transportation permission - looks like they photographed every state owned bridge, so maybe.... Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)