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Palatine Lodge No. 97 moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Palatine Lodge No. 97, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Palatine Lodge No. 97 has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Palatine Lodge No. 97. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 15:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Palatine Lodge No. 97 (March 15)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Slywriter was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Appears to be only primary sources. no independent secondary sources to establish notability

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Slywriter (talk) 15:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for you review Slywriter and comments.

Regarding my submission not being adequately supported by reliable sources.

The source proving the existence of Palatine Lodge No 97 and its history, i.e., warrant dates, the Lodge Numbers, the places the Lodge met is supported by (ref 3) Lane’s Masonic Records, held at the Museum of Freemasonry and Published by The Digital Humanities Institute, University of Sheffield. The Museum of Freemasonry (ref wiki) is fully accredited by the UK Arts Council. Note, I’ve updated the Lane’s link to add the Publisher to clarify the credibility of the source.

Palatine Lodge No 97 is very fortunate, it being one of very few Masonic Lodges in the world to have records dating back to 1757, in the form of written minutes and written history books etc. To make this rich history more accessible and to aid future researchers we digitised many pages from our old history books, compiled them, and published them on our official website. These ancient documents can be viewed, in person, but the next best is to have electronic access.

With regards to Notable members, given the nature of the organisation at that time, the only proof that a person was a member of a Lodge, or indeed a Freemason, is by referencing old Lodge membership registers and documents like ours. Lodge membership records dating back to 1751 are held at the United Grand Lodge of England (Freemasons Hall) and can be accessed via Ancestry.co.uk, however, this is a subscription service and obviously not advisable to use as a reference. I’m sure that providing reference to our notable ancient members will be invaluable to future researchers. For example, where else would a researcher find out that John George Lambton (1792-1840), 1st Earl of Durham, was a Freemason and member of Palatine Lodge No 97, Sunderland.

So, to conclude, I believe that Palatine Lodge No 97, with its long and rich history, should be published in Wikipedia. Could you please review my comments and provide further guidance, where necessary.

Thanks again for your assistance. Stev201961 (talk) 22:13, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Palatine Lodge No. 97 (April 29)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Gusfriend was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

There is an excess of usage of primary sources. I have no concerns about the notability due to the archived newspapers and the items from "The Digital Humanities Institute, University of Sheffield" which, whilst associated with the subject, at least provides a repository of information that is under the control of the university. Having said that, more archived newspaper references would be good. My suggestion would be to remove the primary sources and the section "Notable members" due to the use of primary sources there and then concentrate on archived newspaper and other sources to support what is left. Then, the list of members can be added over time as appropriate sources are found once it is in main space.

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Gusfriend (talk) 09:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gusfriend for reviewing my article and I'll will work on making the changes you have suggested. Regards Stev201961 (talk) 18:43, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Palatine Lodge No. 97 has been accepted

Palatine Lodge No. 97, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Gusfriend (talk) 22:10, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Palatine Lodge No. 97 for deletion

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Slywriter (talk) 21:04, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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