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And olive branch & holiday wishes!
Thryduulf, please accept these holiday wishes :)

I've caused this year to end on a chord of disappointment for many, but I hope that despite my mistakes and the differences in opinion and perspectives, and regardless of what the outcome is or in what capacity I can still contribute in the coming year, we can continue working together directly or indirectly on this encyclopedic project, whose ideals are surely carried by both of our hearts. I'm hoping I have not fallen in your esteem to the level where "no hard feelings" can no longer ring true, because I highly respect you and your dedication to Wikipedia, and I sincerely wish you and your loved ones all the best for 2018.

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2018!

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Photo priority list

Hey Chris, war memorials in order of priority for photos, as requested:

  1. Civil Service Rifles War Memorial (photo from the rear, top priority, currently at FAC)
  2. Rochdale Cenotaph (any decent wide views, I got some reasonable close-ups of the flags but was disappointed with most of my photos; this is TFA on 11 Jan)
  3. Royal Naval Division War Memorial (anything you've got that's well-focused, this will be the next one to work its way through the review system)
  4. Lancashire Fusiliers War Memorial (the drums in particular; I'd like to have this as TFA on 25 April)
  5. Tower Hill Memorial (will be my next project after the RND; I might make a start on it this weekend but it's unlikely be heading to FAC until February at the earliest)

—Those are the highest priority at the minute. After current projects, I have four Lutyens memorials left and I'm really hoping the Cenotaph will have its bronze star by November. Then I might start looking at non-Lutyens memorials (eg Deal, Bury)! Thanks a lot! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

I want to thank you for your detailed and clear explanations on the lantresman AE request for clarification. I did not explain myself well in part because I cannot say more on the issues I have concerns with, but I believe your comments will be very useful to editors as is your advice. I am heartened by your knowledge and the unusual care and fairness with which you dealt with the AE.(Littleolive oil (talk) 03:40, 30 December 2017 (UTC))

You're welcome and thank you for the compliments. In my view being fair is the absolute minimum that everybody deserves, whether they've been here since 2001 and have every hat in the box or haven't yet made their first edit. Thryduulf (talk) 11:43, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

end of term

Thanks for your efforts in creating a summary of past practices regarding the changeover of arbitrators at the end of their term. Just a minor typographical note: "incoming" has one "m". isaacl (talk) 15:56, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Ah well, at least I was consistent! Please feel free to correct my spelling :) Thryduulf (talk) 16:33, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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Unfinished business from Oxford 56

An article has been created. I was certain that we already had one, but there is nothing in the logs to suggest that anything existed before today. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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Your close at ITNC

Hey Thryduulf, I'd like you to reconsider your recent close over at ITNC, to which I'd give a more direct link if brackets worked inside link syntax.

There were eleven supports that did not focus on the current blurbs, which you summarily dismissed with "There is consensus that where an event is not the top level of the sport there needs to be some other indication of importance or significance ..." Given that wording, I fear that you've missed some of the !voting rationales. Two in particular stand out to me:

  • "The fact that this is an amateur university event does not change its huge cultural significance and level of public interest. We may find it strange the an amateur university event whose quality of play is presumably lower than the NFL inspires such interest and occupies such a significant place in American sporting culture, but we should not impose our personal views of what ought to be regarded as a significant sporting event - for public interest and cultural impact are what make sporting events significant."
  • "In the news, article sufficiently updated and is a significant sports event (even though it is not personally of interest to me). Seems to tick all the boxes."

My bolding, obviously.

On the other side, all but five of the opposes were primarily concerned with it being an amateur event, or it being of "low worldwide significance"—which isn't a rule at ITN, which as you know often posts items of limited international significance. Several of those are even on WP:ITNR. Best, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:06, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Thryduulf, good close, well done for being bold enough to take on all the usual post-closure combat for this kind of thing. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:58, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Just wanting to second TRM here, solid reasoning, and well done on avoiding the usual nonsense posting of amateur university sports. Fgf10 (talk) 08:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
FWIW I support your closing, even though I supported posting. Quality wasn't there, consensus was building against, and we weren't going to cut through the usual anti-American hatred masked as "global significance" this time. Thanks for helping out at ITN. --CosmicAdventure (talk) 11:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
@The ed17: I've re-read the discussion again, and if anything I'm seeing more consensus against it than I wrote. Yes this has a big place in American sporting culture, but many people pointed out that that would mean we should be posting comparable events from other nation's sporting culture. There was also not a consensus (although relatively little discussion) that the quality of the update was there.
@CosmicAdventure: I didn't see very much anti-American hatred, although I did see people insisting on treating the USA like any other individual nation which I can understand some Americans might interpret as being anti-American (although I'm not saying you personally do/did). Thryduulf (talk) 13:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for responding, though I'd question another person's characterization of this as "combat." Best, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 14:42, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, and I'd question another person's characterisation of this as "the usual anti-American hatred masked as "global significance"" but your mileage may vary. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:47, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
I wonder what pro-American hatred would look like? Sca (talk) 15:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
@Sca: Donald Trump? ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thryduulf. – Sca (talk)
@Thryduulf: You mean the Stable Genius in Chief? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sca (talk • contribs) 16:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
He's the very model of a very stable genius Thryduulf (talk) 17:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
"What we need is a dictator who is also a genius." – Adolf Hitler, April 17, 1920. – Sca (talk) 03:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

 • After 5,200 words of (sometimes effusive) discussion, it was evident that consensus wasn't there. Good close. Sca (talk) 15:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Or, it was bullied into oblivion. You should be ashamed. Abductive (reasoning) 07:20, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
@Abductive: If you are going to make accusations of bullying you need to be a lot more specific and cite examples. Aspersions and vague rhetoric will not get anyone to change their mind. Thryduulf (talk) 12:26, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I'd echo TRM's point, despite being on the other side of the nom. With this & #metoo, taking the time to explain your decision is much appreciated. GCG (talk) 14:22, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I'd also like to add my appreciation for making two intelligent and well-explained closes on contentious ITN items. Making everyone happy isn't possible, but your closes should satisfy people that their input has been appreciated. --LukeSurl t c 15:06, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

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Civility in infobox discussions case opened

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Thank you for your practical objective comment, such a rare thing! Pierre Boulez was a composer, but he was also a performer, and - what is more - a human being, covered by WP:Biography. - I wonder who will tell the arbs that the undefined scope leaves too much room for interpretation. They could focus on very few discussions, outlined by Ritchie in the evidence. I don't know them all, but of those I know, most were no infobox discussions (about an infobox to be inserted or not), but "infobox discussions", debating the removal of a long-standing infobox. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Oxford 58

Hi, please see m:Talk:Meetup/Oxford/58#Date of meetup and indicate which option would most suit you. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:22, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

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Comments in the Workshop

And they will be presented in the Workshop when the Workshop is open, but it isn't yet. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187636

It's marked as resolved, I'm guessing the fix reaches the Wikipedias later this week. Thank you so much for stopping by, looking forward to your next report or, well, maybe not ;) Elitre (WMF) (talk) 13:24, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you :) It seems that I accidentally stumbled across a problem that's existed since 2005 as well, which probably caught a few devs by surpise! Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

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United States military occupation

As someone who has been a party on this topic, I would really appropriate if you would please provide your input on the edit warring United States military occupation by a certain user, especially considering that the previous conversation on the talk page had the consensus to keep the reference to U.S. military occupation codes (as well as on User talk:GreenMeansGo#Yo, Shield o' Sham-er and Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_September_18#United_States_military_occupation. Thanks! Garuda28 (talk) 01:40, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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Administrator changes

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  • The autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) is scheduled to end on 14 March 2018. The results of the research collected can be read on Meta Wiki.
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  • Bhadani (Gangadhar Bhadani) passed away on 8 February 2018. Bhadani joined Wikipedia in March 2005 and became an administrator in September 2005. While he was active, Bhadani was regarded as one of the most prolific Wikipedians from India.
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Info update

Hello T. First I wanted to let you know that I have not seen a domain sales link work its way into any reFill fixes that I have made since the one you found last month. I was hoping that it may have been a one off but then I noticed this thread Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 58#Strange reference, looking to me like a disguised spam where something like it looks to have happened again. As we are not programmers I thought I would bring it to your attention in case there is any info there that might be of use to you. I hope you have a pleasant weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 06:27, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Cheers for the heads-up I'll take look and see if it's of use. Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

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Appeal of topic ban

You were kind enough to offer advice during my topic ban appeal earlier in the year[4] You suggested I work on an appeal in my userspace, is this what you had in mind?[5] --Iantresman (talk) 17:14, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

  • Yes, that's the sort of thing. I've made a couple of small copyedits for you (it was easier than explaining them!), but other than that I'd consider flehsing it out a little more summarising what you've learned from your interactions at the teahouse, etc. In terms of lifting the ban, I supsect some people might consider you a little light on article-space edits but that's not guaranteed and I didn't spot anything significant from what I spot checked. Thryduulf (talk) 18:06, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Unfortunately there was nothing constructive from my interaction with the Help Desk and Tea House. A bit of a long shot, would you consider being a mentor, or something similar for me, which I would mention in my appeal? I'd keep discussion to a minimum. More about me here.[6] --Iantresman (talk) 18:27, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Nothing against you personally, but I'm not really interested in being a mentor at the moment. Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area seems to be the place to look to find someone who is willing. Thryduulf (talk) 18:36, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion. --Iantresman (talk) 22:45, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2018).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

  • Administrators who have been desysopped due to inactivity are now required to have performed at least one (logged) administrative action in the past 5 years in order to qualify for a resysop without going through a new RfA.
  • Editors who have been found to have engaged in sockpuppetry on at least two occasions after an initial indefinite block, for whatever reason, are now automatically considered banned by the community without the need to start a ban discussion.
  • The notability guideline for organizations and companies has been substantially rewritten following the closure of this request for comment. Among the changes, the guideline more clearly defines the sourcing requirements needed for organizations and companies to be considered notable.
  • The six-month autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) ended on 14 March 2018. The post-trial research report has been published. A request for comment is now underway to determine whether the restrictions from ACTRIAL should be implemented permanently.

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  • The Arbitration Committee is considering a change to the discretionary sanctions procedures which would require an editor to appeal a sanction to the community at WP:AE or WP:AN prior to appealing directly to the Arbitration Committee at WP:ARCA.

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  • A discussion has closed which concluded that administrators are not required to enable email, though many editors suggested doing so as a matter of best practice.
  • The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team has released the Interaction Timeline. This shows a chronologic history for two users on pages where they have both made edits, which may be helpful in identifying sockpuppetry and investigating editing disputes.
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Administrators' newsletter – May 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2018).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

  • The ability to create articles directly in mainspace is now indefinitely restricted to autoconfirmed users.
  • A proposal is being discussed which would create a new "event coordinator" right that would allow users to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit.

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  • AbuseFilter has received numerous improvements, including an OOUI overhaul, syntax highlighting, ability to search existing filters, and a few new functions. In particular, the search feature can be used to ensure there aren't existing filters for what you need, and the new equals_to_any function can be used when checking multiple namespaces. One major upcoming change is the ability to see which filters are the slowest. This information is currently only available to those with access to Logstash.
  • When blocking anonymous users, a cookie will be applied that reloads the block if the user changes their IP. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. This currently only occurs when hard-blocking accounts.
  • The block notice shown on mobile will soon be more informative and point users to a help page on how to request an unblock, just as it currently does on desktop.
  • There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.

Arbitration

Obituaries

  • Lankiveil (Craig Franklin) passed away in mid-April. Lankiveil joined Wikipedia on 12 August 2004 and became an administrator on 31 August 2008. During his time with the Wikimedia community, Lankiveil served as an oversighter for the English Wikipedia and as president of Wikimedia Australia.
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your block of user: Colton Cosmic

requesting unblock at User talk:COLTON COSMIC MAKES YOU JUMP JUMP (NOT HERE blcoked by user:NinjaRobotPirate) Meters (talk) 02:57, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

oops, it would help if I said "In case you wan to reset the block timer." Meters (talk) 03:01, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the headsup, but as he is indefinitely blocked all that needs doing is leaving a note on his talk page for the reference of others. Thryduulf (talk) 09:36, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

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Tower Hill

Hey Chris, if you can make it to Tower Hill for me again, I need photos of the seven relief sculptures on the walls of the sunken garden, individually and two or three to a photo, so I can make a gallery of them in the article. I could also do with better photos of the north end of the sunken garden, and possibly the sentries at the top of the steps. If you feel like reading through Tower Hill Memorial to make sure it all makes sense etc I'd appreciate it but I'd understand if you don't have the time or inclination. And we must sort out some dates for you to come down to visit! All the best my friend, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:36, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: Photos from Tower Hill now on Commons see Commons:Category Tower Hill Memorial and new subcategories and Commons:User:Thryduulf/Tower Hill Memorial, hopefully I managed to get what you were looking for. I've not had chance to read the article yet, but probably will do tomorrow. I'll contact you on facebook re dates. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Interested to hear your opinion

Hi Thryduulf, I was wondering if you have looked at the this thread and the current case request recently; I am curious to hear your opinion as I seem to remember British politics-related topics are one of your interest fields. Regards, Alex Shih (talk) 02:12, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Alex Shih: Thanks for the heads-up. I've been AFK pretty much all day so I've only just seen this and I'm nowhere near awake enough now to grok a long AN/I thread. I should get time to look tomorrow if things go to plan. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Gore (film) for deletion

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Administrators' newsletter – June 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2018).

Administrator changes

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  • There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups.
  • It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.

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Happy Adminship

Wishing Thryduulf a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Kpgjhpjm (talk) 01:28, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2018

Dear Thryduulf - I'm writing about this page which you have semi-protected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravi_Shankar_(poet)

What you have called persistent disruptive editing is simply not true. The attempt to add the most important detail in Shankar's bio has continually been changed by an editor called ScrapIronIV who knows the subject and is attempting to add erroneous information to the page. The fact that Shankar founded the world's oldest electronic journal of the arts, Drunken Boat, absolutely should be included on his biography page. The website is probably the most important thing that Shankar has done.

Also, there have been repeated attempts to add false information to this page. Shankar was never accused of or convicted of theft of school funds. This is an out-and-out lie. According to the the BLP guidelines, all information about living persons needs to be accurate. This site was already edited by WingedGodric to reflect the true facts of the case.

How is it possible that one person who is biased and knows the subject continues to have the authority to curate this biography? How is that person still an editor? Please look at the history of the Talk Page and revert back to the earlier version by Winged Godric, and include this fact of Drunken Boat on his bio page.

Again you can see something about the history of this magazine here: [1]

Thanks for your attention. 73.61.195.122 (talk) 13:52, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://thereviewreview.net/magazines/drunken-boat
You need to make edit requests on the talk page of the article, including sources to back up your claims. Thryduulf (talk) 19:24, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:MOS:IDENTITY listed at Redirects for discussion

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RfD The Telegraph

At Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#The Telegraph (disambiguation) you wrote, in response to me, "...is something I can only describe as arrogance". I object to that since it is clearly meant to mean that I am arrogant, and I regard that as a (mild) personal attack and at the very least uncivil. Your spelling errors in that comment may indicate you were in haste and may not have properly considered the impact of your words. Please don't do it again. Shhhnotsoloud (talk)

I can't recall whether I was in haste or not, but while the language was perhaps slightly harsher than necessary the sentiment is one that I firmly stand by (and have stood by for years): We must always do what is best for the readers, without exception. Per WP:IAR if a "rule" prevents you from improving the encyclopaedia, ignore it. In this case there isn't even a "rule" to ignore, just the dislike some people have for a redirect that directly benefits readers, and if you put your personal preferences above the readers then Wikipedia is not the project for you. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I don't want to rehash the argument. I want you to know that I interpreted your original comments as uncivil and personal. I gave you an easy way out to apologise gracefully—and asked you not to do it again—but you have actually now made it worse by referring to me as "some people" (which is rude) and talking about my personal preferences. Stop it. Please stick to referring to policy and guidance and interpretations thereof. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I will refrain from commenting further on this here as I do not think it will be productive. Thryduulf (talk) 13:22, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Procedure for appeals

I know you quit as the enforcing admin, but the appeal procedure seems to require that I tell you that I'm appealing the 2016 sanction. Darkfrog24 (talk) 04:12, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I am trying very hard to forgive you. Darkfrog24 (talk) 13:34, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

BLP issues on British politics articles arbitration case opened

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Curved yellow fruit

Hi there. Was unaware of the prior discussion. How can I close the redirect discussion so as to not waste any more editors time? Onel5969 TT me 00:00, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

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Re. your edits to Heroine of Hackney in 2011

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OCD fix

Thanks. I was getting twitchy.... The Rambling Man (talk) 12:39, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

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Chūnibyō

Why have you closed this RfD before anyone else can comment on it? They need to be deleted and I would have explained why if you hadn't done so. —Xezbeth (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

  • @Xezbeth: Based on what the OP said they weren't actually asking for the redirects to be deleted, but commenting that the hatnote at the target was not useful, which is not an RfD matter. As you have now indicated that you want to advance an argument for deletion I will reopen the discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

DBA/SIA

I'm rather surprised by the level of ipse dixit and refusal to engage in that discussion. It's really pretty bizarre.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:52, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Sadly I'm not surprised. The refusal to place the needs of readers above strict adherence to style guidelines is why set indexes are not just a type of disambiguation page in the first place. The RfC ideally needs to bring in some input from people who aren't style guideline fanatics, but I fear few of them will care enough to opine. Thryduulf (talk) 22:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@SMcCandlish: and now we have someone who is engaging but with straw men arguments and just repeating the mantra that the different formatting rules mean they are functionally different (despite everything we've said). Thryduulf (talk) 22:58, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I think it's Official Strawman Day and we just didn't know. See top half of this.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:16, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I think you should take a break from commenting, you're extremely heated for some reason and are being rather rude to multiple people at once. —Xezbeth (talk) 11:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Xezbeth: Nah, they're intentionally playing WP:IDHT games, and it's disruptive. It's two individuals, and they're doing it to me, too. Thryduulf even prepared a detailed FAQ for them covering every single point from multiple angles, yet they're still doing it. That's pretty much unescapable WP:STONEWALL evidence. This is actually one of the worse cases of IDHT-based filibuster I've ever seen in over 12 year here.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:26, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
There would be no need for me to continue to comment if those I was replying to did not persist with the misunderstandings, logical fallacies and other comments that miss the entire point or are factually incorrect. If you wish to inconvenience readers for no benefit, then please go ahead and make arguments to support your position, but you must be prepared for those of us who disagree with you to respond and to point out where your logic is faulty. As editors it is our duty to always place the needs and convenience of the readers ahead of any benefit to ourselves, and I will not cease to call out those who wish to do otherwise - particularly when the action will not benefit anybody. Thryduulf (talk) 11:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Xezbeth on tone. More importantly, now things have died down there, I left a few alternatives at the bottom if you wish to explore them just say. Widefox; talk 08:32, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I do not have time at the moment to get involved with that page, but will take when I do. Thryduulf (talk) 10:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Similar incident

On a side note, I'm getting the exact same IDHT act from Bignole at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film#To be or not to be a subsection. I know you're involved in the stuff at WT:DAB, but do you have any suggestions for what to do about this uninvolved case? I have no idea whether IDHT is taken seriously at ANI, AE, etc., or under what circumstances (yeah, been here 12+ years and I still don't know the "dramaboards" well). I don't think a guideline talk page should be held hostage by someone saying "I want it to be this way, and there's no reason why not", after being provided those reasons, over and over and over. (Short version: Insists that MOS:FILM must have a "rule" based on Chicago Manual of Style to never have a subsection in a section unless there are 2+ subsections, even though no MoS page has such a rule, for very good reasons. Will not accept that WP has its own style guide; what his favored external style book says is being pushed as if it's a law of nature.)

He started veering into aspersions that those who don't agree with him are uneducated [7], so I left him a {{Ds/alert|mos}}. If ArbCom won't get rid of those DS on MoS, then maybe they'll actually start to be enforced appropriately.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:26, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: I don't have time to look into it now but if the behaviour continues after receiving the alert, then AE is the place to go. Persistent IDHT has been sanctioned there before (it was a large part of what led to the very first sanctions against Darkfrog24 for example). It has also been sanctioned at ANI but nothing is reliable about that board (we really need somewhere with a structured format like AE for incidents that don't fall under its jurisdiction). Thryduulf (talk) 21:47, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
I guess there is no rule against just starting one. >;-)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:08, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Indeed not, but for practical purposes it would initially require buy in from several editors experienced in dispute resolution with time to invest in it. Thryduulf (talk) 22:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

WP:RFD

I had no idea it was a thing until I wandered over there today to use it. You seem to be the lone admin minding that board. If I knew how to award a barn star, I would. Thanks for keeping an eye on that corner of the project Thryduulf.

Cheers, --LaserLegs (talk) 00:36, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm not the only admin, but I am one of the more prolific there (and off and on have been for years). Thryduulf (talk) 09:53, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Bristol meetup

Hi mate, cheers for the heads-up about the Bristol meet. I actually live in London now, so meetups here are far more convenient for me than down the M4. Thanks for thinking of me though. – PeeJay 20:36, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

I can't remember if I've seen you there or not, but in case you aren't aware there are meetups on the second Sunday of every month in London. m:Meetup/London/132 on 8 July is the next one. Thryduulf (talk) 20:43, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2018).

Administrator changes

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readded Gogo Dodo
removed Andrevan • Doug • EVula • KaisaL • Tony Fox • WilyD

Bureaucrat changes

removed Andrevan • EVula

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC about the deletion of drafts closed with a consensus to change the wording of WP:NMFD. Specifically, a draft that has been repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement may be deleted at MfD if consensus determines that it is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspace and it otherwise meets one of the reasons for deletion outlined in the deletion policy.
  • A request for comment closed with a consensus that the {{promising draft}} template cannot be used to indefinitely prevent a WP:G13 speedy deletion nomination.

Technical news

  • Starting on July 9, the WMF Security team, Trust & Safety, and the broader technical community will be seeking input on an upcoming change that will restrict editing of site-wide JavaScript and CSS to a new technical administrators user group. Bureaucrats and stewards will be able to grant this right per a community-defined process. The intention is to reduce the number of accounts who can edit frontend code to those who actually need to, which in turn lessens the risk of malicious code being added that compromises the security and privacy of everyone who accesses Wikipedia. For more information, please review the FAQ.
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  • IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in July (previously scheduled for June). This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2018).

Administrator changes

added Sro23
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Guideline and policy news

  • After a discussion at Meta, a new user group called "interface administrators" (formerly "technical administrator") has been created. Come the end of August, interface admins will be the only users able to edit site-wide JavaScript and CSS pages like MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Common.css, or edit other user's personal JavaScript and CSS. The intention is to improve security and privacy by reducing the number of accounts which could be used to compromise the site or another user's account through malicious code. The new user group can be assigned and revoked by bureaucrats. Discussion is ongoing to establish details for implementing the group on the English Wikipedia.
  • Following a request for comment, the WP:SISTER style guideline now states that in the mainspace, interwiki links to Wikinews should only be made as per the external links guideline. This generally means that within the body of an article, you should not link to Wikinews about a particular event that is only a part of the larger topic. Wikinews links in "external links" sections can be used where helpful, but not automatically if an equivalent article from a reliable news outlet could be linked in the same manner.

Technical news

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Ideal

Re [8] -- Ideal would have been someone replying to Sasha's April request long before I submitted across ugly tag in June. NE Ent 11:13, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2018).

Administrator changes

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renamed Optimist on the run → Voice of Clam

Interface administrator changes

added Amorymeltzer • Mr. Stradivarius • MusikAnimal • MSGJ • TheDJ • Xaosflux

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  • Following a "stop-gap" discussion, six users have temporarily been made interface administrators while discussion is ongoing for a more permanent process for assigning the permission. Interface administrators are now the only editors allowed to edit sitewide CSS and JavaScript pages, as well as CSS/JS pages in another user's userspace. Previously, all administrators had this ability. The right can be granted and revoked by bureaucrats.

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  • Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour.
  • Some abuse filter variables have changed. They are now easier to understand for non-experts. The old variables will still work but filter editors are encouraged to replace them with the new ones. You can find the list of changed variables on mediawiki.org. They have a note which says Deprecated. Use ... instead. An example is article_text which is now page_title.
  • Abuse filters can now use how old a page is. The variable is page_age.

Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee has resolved to perform a round of Checkuser and Oversight appointments. The usernames of all applicants will be shared with the Functionaries team, and they will be requested to assist in the vetting process. The deadline to submit an application is 23:59 UTC, 12 September, and the candidates that move forward will be published on-wiki for community comments on 18 September.
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A cup of coffee for you!

I had an extraordinary disagreement with you at Template talk:P. A+ would disagree again. You have exceptional insight into the issue and I appreciate how solid of a discourse you made to assist the next person who comes along in defending the view which opposes mine. What could have been an ongoing controversy, while not settled with certainty forever, is to me settled in a satisfying way until and unless big things change in the future. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

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Human face fish

I see that Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 September 9#Human face fish has been closed as no consensus. Given that there was no support for keeping the redirects, I think your proposed solution (restore the article and take to AfD) is now probably the best way forward. What do you think? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I think that would be best. Thryduulf (talk) 20:16, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

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