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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : LIV (August 2010)

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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue LIV (August 2010) 		Front page
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The return of reviewer awards, task force discussions, and more information on the upcoming coordinator election

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A recap of the month's new Featured and A-Class articles, including a new featured sound

Members

Our newest A-class medal recipients and this August's top contestants

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In the first of a two-part series, Moonriddengirl discusses the problems caused by copyright violations

To change your delivery options for this newsletter please list yourself in the appropriate section here. To assist with preparing the newsletter, please visit the newsroom. BrownBot (talk) 00:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Talkback

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You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Nasty Housecat's talk page.

Unprotection

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Do you have any problem if the page Luxembourg, a page you protected years ago is unprotected? The page were under WP:PC and the vandalism seemed to be reduced. I taked it to WP:RFUP, but I were requested to take it with the protecting admin. Thank you. TbhotchTalk C. 22:54, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


File:Viet Nam Trong2.png missing description details

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If you have any questions please see Help:Image page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The Signpost: 13 September 2010

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Talkback

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You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Nasty Housecat's talk page.

Unprotection

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Do you have any problem if the page Luxembourg, a page you protected years ago is unprotected? The page were under WP:PC and the vandalism seemed to be reduced. I taked it to WP:RFUP, but I were requested to take it with the protecting admin. Thank you. TbhotchTalk C. 22:54, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Update made

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I've done my best to address your comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Albany, New York/archive2. upstateNYer 00:48, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Any further comment at this FAC? upstateNYer 06:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Paine

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Just expanding bits as it's isnt GA standard atm. I doubt there would be enough info for a playing style section yet? Aaroncrick TALK 02:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trawling the commentary logs of the ODIs or Test might be useful YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:49, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Argh, isn't the CA marvellous :) Aaroncrick TALK 07:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Cricket Archive or Cricket Australia's selection policy. Enough of Bunny North who can only play when Australia is already 4/200 on a flat track. Maybe they should have chosen Wade instead? Not sure why Hazlewood over Copeland who has better stats and is also very tall. YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 08:15, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Archive, but I'm not sure about Hazlewood either. NSW love again... Aaroncrick TALK 08:17, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Have any idea why the ref won't close? :S Aaroncrick TALK 07:46, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah explained YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 08:15, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again. Aaroncrick TALK 08:17, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This about Paine?... At least I've cleaned it up a bit. Still plenty of points to expand, however. Aaroncrick TALK 08:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Juwan Howard/archive1

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Can you consider my responses to your concerns at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Juwan Howard/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A-Class Medal with Oak Leaves

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 The Military history A-Class medal with oak leaves 
For prolific work on 1965 South Vietnamese coup, December 1964 South Vietnamese coup and Nguyen Chanh Thi; promoted to A-Class during August and September 2010, I hereby award you the A-Class Medal with Oak Leaves. Congratulations! TomStar81 (Talk) 21:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lindwall and Kilner

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Done review of Lindwall. Just keep rubbing it in about Hutton! :) Put up Kilner at FAC now. --Sarastro1 (talk) 22:43, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Led or not? Vietnam

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Well, some of the governments were coalitions or common fronts. Not all were purely communist. Although, its not very important. Most information I have read on it describes the governments as communist led. After all, that means communists led (were ruling or in charge of) the government. ValenShephard (talk) 01:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nominally perhaps, but not in reality YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Biography of a living person

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Hi YM,

Someone has added the full date of birth to the article Emma Basher which I created a short while ago. I shied away from adding such a private piece of info as it seemed an unwarranted and potentially hazardous addition. What is your opinion and if you concur can it be deleted from the article and history. Thanks Ozdaren (talk) 16:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a problem with a birthday of an athlete, especially as some people will compare how fast they are at certain ages and age criteria for youth competition etc. Still if she hasn't done any senior competitions yet, it might get deleted YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I was trying to respect her privacy on that front. Cheers Ozdaren (talk) 07:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Request for oversight

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I had an IP put the home adress of two individuals who died in the 2010 San Bruno pipeline explosion. I am attaching the diff here. [1] [2] I am posting this message to several oversighter so if they are already oversighted I thank you for your time. BB7 (talk) 01:28, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FLCs

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Oh dear That's embarrassing. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The Milhist election has started!

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The Military history WikiProject coordinator election has started. You are cordially invited to help pick fourteen new coordinators from a pool of twenty candidates. This time round, the term has increased from six to twelve months so it is doubly important that you have your say! Please cast your vote here no later than 23:59 (UTC) on Tuesday, 28 September 2010.

With many thanks in advance for your participation from the coordinator team,  Roger Davies talk 19:51, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The Signpost: 20 September 2010

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Re: Canpark's articles

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Should we report him to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard? The People's Army daily is merely a newspaper for soldiers so that it is hardly reliable and academic enough. This paper even published some extremely unbelievable stories such as a story of two NLF soldiers fought off two fully-armed battalions of ARVN -_-.--AM (talk) 02:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2 against 1600 again, I think you should start the report then, as I dond't know of any good specific examples YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to relocate this article now. I've read it for over 4 yrs. This is an other article which similar to this article claiming 5 VPA soldiers repelled 4 US combat companies' attacks and got over 200 kills in the Battle of Khe Sanh. The most ridiculous thing is that it come from an official education materials. I will try to use Google but it will take sometime.--AM (talk) 14:27, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Yellow Monkey. Although I tried all the way, there is no trace of this article. Perhaps they've taken it down =D. So sorry.--AM (talk) 00:45, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

upd

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Chu Van An is finished. I translated this article from VNese Wikipedia because I couldn't find any serious source, even sources in Vietnamese. Most of the Google results of "Chu Van An" keyword were mentioned a famous school named Chu Van An in Hanoi.--AM (talk) 08:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's one in Saigon too, at least there was such a HS during hte VNCH era YellowMonkey (new photo poll)
Here Chu Van An High School (Saigon).--AM (talk) 00:51, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Churchlands Senior High School

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Hiya, Churchlands Senior High School is being repeatedly vandalised by a confirmed user. Is there any action that can be taken? Cheers --Hughesdarren (talk) 13:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CU please

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On Kundalini Yoga. 66.65.62.138 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and RogerThatOne72 (talk · contribs). The Yogi Bhajan/3HO spamming was quiet for a while, back now. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:59, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto, bingo and also Fatehji. Lol Mumbai did another IPL final style choke against Highveld Lions, who mostly had 110kph bowlers....wonder how clown R Sathish always gets picked by Tendulkar, Even South Australia can beat the useless Lions YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:29, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks. I'm involved in cleaning up that garden, so I can't take any action. Saw the first two games, Mumbai was just awful captaincy, Chennai for a change, pretty much survived on local players, with the exception of DB (I'll consider Murali local now) and that was good. Bangalore, didn't see the game, but that appeared to be a cakewalk. —SpacemanSpiff 04:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 07:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, blocked and tagged. I'm guessing there aren't any sleepers currently? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 07:15, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have been watching Kundalini Yoga to see if any admin action might be needed. I perceive that a team of enthusiasts for Yogi Bhajan might be at work. There was an ANI report about Fatehji back in February 2010. I can't tell from the above discussion whether any blocks are appropriate yet. Do we need to file a formal SPI, or is there something that could already be done? YM, are you saying that RogerThatOne72 is a sock of Fatehji based on CU? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:53, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(involved editor comment) I asked for CU when I came to the article through the Yogi Bhajan backlinks (been trying to clean that article up for a year), and saw the case at ANEW (looked like Boomerang, IP making the edit and user justifying it), that's cold now (since CU request was made during YMs vacation) and Ludwigs2 is trying to engage the user on the talk page. The two accounts haven't been used concurrently, and there isn't any block evasion, so I'm guessing no action on that count? But, (not really an admin action, but a more rigorous editorial action) it might be worthwhile to visit the entire Yogi Bhajan / 3HO series together? —SpacemanSpiff 18:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite understanding you. It's a violation of WP:SCRUTINY for someone to edit a contentious article under more than one ID. Did that occur in this case? Efforts at diplomacy by the sock are not enough, in my opinion. I get annoyed when the Bhajanists keep threatening to 'report' Gatoclass, who appears to be trying to enforce Wikipedia policy. When socks or meats become that uppity, it suggests a lack of admin attention. (No thanks to me, since I haven't been doing anything there lately). EdJohnston (talk) 18:29, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)I did think of WP:SCRUTINY, and I've been trying to restrict this fansite business out here, but I guess I tend to get a bit lenient when discussion starts -- which is a first for this set of articles. I'm not opposed to action right now, but I think we might gain more if we took on the entire thing in one go (Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa (talk · contribs) is the other SPA that operates in this space and Sharkbait061 (talk · contribs) is the counter POV SPA. Then Guru Sant Singh (talk · contribs) and his meat-IP (also sock checked) are tangential players. As for editing to avoid scrutiny in this particular case, yes, the IP and both user IDs have done that, and a block is definitely justified (the only reason I didn't recommend one above is because of the time lapse since my CU request and the discussion), but I'm definitely not opposed to action. But if you go through Special:WhatLinksHere/Harbhajan_Singh_Yogi, you'll see that the problem is greater than this article, and we've only AfDed two of the POV pieces within this garden so far, and a complete clean up might be more helpful than action on one problem at a time. So long story short, I'm not opposed to any admin action right now. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 18:43, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Fatehji is RTO72 YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • YM (and EdJohnston, if you're still looking at this thread), can you take a look at Nadar (caste)? One SPA (Lindam90) basically sourced everything to "caste claims" and a dubious "not available online" book that conflicts with available sources and kept removing the disputed tag from the article. Also, the earlier off-wiki conspiracies are active, with Orkut postings and caste warriors coming here. Sivakasi riots of 1899 has some better sourcing on the same subject (also attacked by the SPA). The Nadar talk page postings are ridiculous by this SPA as well as the other Orkut warriors who've gone ahead and vandalized many user pages over the past two days, YM - I believe this is a repetition of some earlier activity. I will have to be off-wiki for a few days, so can you take a look at this? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 04:39, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
why haven't the recent reverts deleted any of this stuff? YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 04:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No idea, I just saw a note on my talk page today and looked at it, there appears to have been an edit war, and that Lindamd90 hasn't got any edits outside of this topic, so I find that highly suspicious. Also the abuse on the talk page, by him as well as the other IPs and talks of being a lawyer and asking all Nadars to come here (through Orkut). But I've seen some of the SPA's sourcing in the past, most of it is POV stuff. I don't think Linguisticgeek was entirely in the right here either, but he was adding back the "disputed" tag, which I think is necessary in this article. I can take a look sometime next week, but not before, as real life beckons me and I have to be off wiki. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 04:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
nvm clear pov pusher, bolding all these adjectives everywhere YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 04:59, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
sigh, I logged on once and it looks like it's still the same! —SpacemanSpiff 16:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well I blocked him, but it's silly to both, although a few famous warlords do it and get congratulated YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Playing Syle sections

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Almost none of the sports GAN explain with nay detail - and on many occasions they could, at least a little - especially for the well-known players. Should something perhaps be posted on the GAN talkpage, or would it get no where? Aaroncrick TALK 23:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, trying it out can't hurt anyone, except the sneakists. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia culture is very corrupt nowadays, although they don't flaunt it gangster style like the old days of 2007 and earlier. People just do the bare minimum to game any criteria/scheme for FA/GA/FL/RS/B-class/points, any political gimmick to get a "legacy" of "reforming" Wikipedia and so on and so forth. If only there were real subject experts on Wikipedia, more than half of the FAs would be killed off, probably, as only the author knows anything about the topic and can take shortcuts with impunity like a bureaucrat in the dirtiest developing countries looting the whole place YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References in Pierre Martin Ngô Đình Thục article

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Hello YellowMonkey.

I was reading the article Pierre Martin Ngô Đình Thục and came across some interesting information with a reference note beside it. When I clicked the note it took me to the references section, but that section isn't of much use. It cites authors and pages (e.g. "Jacobs, pp. 25–34" but gives no indication as to who the authors are or what works the pages are from. Looking at the revision history in case the original references were lost I found that you were the user who had put in a lot of those references on November 9, 2009. So since you put them in I guess you must know what they refer to, so could you provide full references for each of those authors you cited? I was particularly interested in perhaps finding one or two of the works (especially since at least one of them appears to be a book as opposed to a magazine article) and then reading some more on the subject, however I won't be able to with the limited references currently in the article. Thanks.72.27.82.206 (talk) 06:21, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. There's more related stuff in Hue Vesak shootings and a whole bunch of other articles YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:48, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Utilisateur Dharani Maran

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Bonjour, cet utilisateur utilise des termes injurieux dans wikipedia [3]. Pouvez-vous le mettre en garde. Merci.Rajkris (talk) 14:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

pourquoi francise? YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 07:33, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Quang Tri (1968)

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You should move this page to Battle of Quảng Trị (1968) because the other articles's titles have Vietnamese tone marks: Quảng Trị Province, First Battle of Quảng Trị, Second Battle of Quảng Trị. 75.16.51.62 (talk) 04:46, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Paul Krichell

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As a non-baseballer can you help me out with the prose on Paul Krichell I renominated it for FAC, and I'm trying to fix SandyGeorgia concerns, I'll admit some of which I can't fix as there's no information avaliable in the print and newspaper sources I have. Secret account 01:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You also got email. Secret account 02:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yep YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For the most excellent YellowMonkey

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I'm so sorry, YM, see here for an explanation. In the meantime, two more gongs for you, which you richly deserve,  Roger Davies talk

Not a problem, I was more amused than anything YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


 The WikiChevrons 
By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your devoted contributions to the WikiProject's Peer and A-Class reviews during the period July-December 2009, I am delighted to award you the WikiChevrons.  Roger Davies talk 06:37, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


 The WikiChevrons 
By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your devoted contributions to the WikiProject's Peer and A-Class reviews during the period January-June 2010, I am delighted to award you the WikiChevrons.  Roger Davies talk 06:37, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

JSTOR

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Hi. Can you do some research on JSTOR to find data on the Canopus class battleship and Royal Sovereign class battleship articles? Many thanks in advance. WikiCopterRadioChecklistFormerly AirplanePro 18:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, there was nothing of use in there YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 07:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cut and paste reply from Carradine FAC page

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Can you please be move specific about the "many unsourced paragraphs"? I removed one sentence that predated the expansion: "During this time Carradine's alcoholism escalated and he entered alcohol drug rehabilitation". Everything that is there regarding his personal life I wrote, and sourced and I don't really discuss specific marital problems (except one affair which is sourced). All the statements made are cited. So I do not see "many unsourced paragraphs". Please give at least a couple of examples.--Ishtar456 (talk) 19:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Pointed out YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 07:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Gah. Hmmm... racking up the review numbers I feel... Aaroncrick TALK 08:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I've seen worse. Was that during the drive period? Well, you aren't going to have anything fall on your head, unlike in Delhi. Looks like they've learned the communist way of fraud during building contracts. Order steel and cement. Sell teh steel on the black market and pocket teh funds. Bridge/building falls over. YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 08:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Batool Fatima

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Yea sorry about that. I missed that little link in the infobox. In any case I've informed wikiproject cticket about this article as us stupid Americans don't know jack about cricket. Perhaps they can put some content there. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 04:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

no problem YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Emu and Tasmanian Devil

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Recently you edited Emu and Tasmanian Devil and appear to have added references <ref name=haw/><Ref name=avian/><ref name=r2/> that are incomplete and causing cite errors. ClamDip (talk) 00:51, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'll be onto it YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The Signpost: 27 September 2010

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