Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bellinda Myrick (2nd nomination)

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The result was Keep. Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Bellinda Myrick

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This person is not notable. The sources provided fail WP:GNG in that they are only passing mentions of the topic and not about bellinda Merrick herself. The evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest, nor a result of promotional activity or indiscriminate publicity.Mark^Dask 23:42, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. As mentioned in the article, she was Miss Texas 1970, but it should be noted that she was actually runner-up and took the title when Phyllis George won Miss America. There's been some discussion over the years that winning a state pageant (of which Miss Texas is certainly one of the most prominent) is a reasonable indicator of notability, and the qualification note at Category:Beauty pageant winners seems to say as much, but having said that, she didn't compete at the Miss America contest and there seems to be very little other coverage of Ms. Myrick-Barnett's career. --Arxiloxos (talk) 18:01, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Question: This is listed as a "2nd nomination" Is there an earlier one?--Arxiloxos (talk) 18:03, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I prodded this article - that was the first nomination. This is the first time it has been listed at Afd. Mark^Dask 18:27, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment for the purpose of being 1st or 2nd time, this article would be considered 1st time. You only consider it a 2nd time if it has actually passed though the AFD process previously. Anyone can prod or de-prod an article, which doesn't have the same peer review. I've removed 2nd AFD tagging. Dennis Brown (talk) 20:49, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Based on her being Miss Texas. There was a lot of press about the win in the 70s (gnews via the link in the AFD itself), so she got substantial coverage at that time. It is a little bit borderline, granted, but she seems to pass on general notability because of the win and the coverage it generated, much being hard to find links for considering it was over 20 years before the net was widely available. Dennis Brown (talk) 19:05, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Being Miss Texas almost 40 years ago is not notability. WP:GNG asks for "significant" sources - the Miss World concept has been globally discredited since 40 years ago. This is a hangover from the sexism of the fifties and should be disregarded. Mark^Dask 15:57, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Being Miss Texas almost 40 years ago is notability, because notability is not temporary. Personal feelings on the validity of Miss World and how sexism might figure into this is all irrelevant. Mbinebri ^{talk ←} 23:00, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per Dennis Brown. The article also mentions that, as an actress/singer, she worked with some legendary figures, and that has to count for something. Mbinebri ^{talk ←} 23:02, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
With regard to the latter comment, I would guide you to WP:NOTINHERITED, and in particular, the very first example. --joe decker ^{talk to me} 23:11, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak keep - If her USO touring as a singer can be proven by good sources, she probably passes WP:MUSICBIO under note 4. Bearian (talk) 21:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment re USO: [1], [2] -- the second one is press releasey, but the first is coverage pre-tour and looks solid enough. The Google search snippet for this LA times article suggests that they have a picture of her captioned "Bellinda Myrick center. dances with a soldier during a USO show at fire. bose Mace 35 miles northwest of Saigon" --joe decker ^{talk to me} 05:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - while cleaning up and referencing this article I was surprised by how many sources were actually available on Myrick given that most of her notable activies took place in the 60s. The major pageant win and USO work just squeak her over the WP:GNG bar. --Jezebel'sPonyo ^{bons mots} 14:14, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Dennis for setting me right on the 2nd nomination issue - this is my first nomination so I'm learning. So far there are weak nominations - like real people cringe at the idea of an august entity like wikipedia might perpetuate a moral absurdity. Where is Wikipedia going? I suppose such absurdity as Miss World deserves to exist - as an absurdity - therefore I withdraw my delete - with great misgivings. Mark^Dask 19:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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