Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Sahar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Chick Bowen 19:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Sahar

Player has not played a professional game. Fails WP:Bio HornetMike 13:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. HornetMike 13:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, youth team and U-21 national team player; can be recreated when he plays either for the Chelsea senior side or the full Israel national team. NawlinWiki 14:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not yet played for a senior side. – Elisson • T • C • 17:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, player is notable in Israel as well as in Europe especially with the upcoming U-21 European championship which he qualified Israel for. NYC2TLV 17:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The player may be needed to be included in the Israel's U-21's team anyway Rakuten06 17:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep,player notable in Isreal and is notable transfer to UK Steve-Ho 20:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment to the three above votes, playing for a U-21 team is not a base for notability unless the player also has played professionally at senior level. – Elisson • T • C • 20:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Excellent talent, lot of interest in him. Quality player, much hope invested in him. Has already been integral in scoring U21 goal for Israel vs. France. User: Jon12345(UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. – Elisson • T • C • 20:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not yet played for a senior side.--Kingjamie 20:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I do wish people would keep personal preferences out of Afds. Whether he's a quality player or not is neither here nor there. Neither is he notable just because he's in an Under-21 side. I suspect several people are trying to keep him here just because he's Jewish. He blatantly fails WP:BIO! HornetMike 22:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Has never played a first team match for any professional club, is not considered part of the first team squad at Chelsea, nor did his signing for them generate any notable coverage as was the case with, for example, Mikel John Obi ChrisTheDude 08:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I'm going to stretch a point on this one. A combination of £320K transfer fee, significant media coverage of his transfer and scoring a goal against the French U-21 side in France is just about enough for notability. BlueValour 02:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment He scored for the Chelsea Reserves last week against Arsenal and was up against Swiss World Cup player Philipe Senderos. That should put his ability into perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.1 (talk • contribs)

It's not a question of his ability, it's a question of his notability. And he doesn't meet the criteria. HornetMike 12:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

195.93.21.1, his ability level is not and never has been a factor in this debate. The qualification for getting onto WP is not reaching a certain level of skill but rather a certain level of notability, which this guy doesn't..... ChrisTheDude 13:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree about the notability factor. He is famous in Israel for qualifying the squad for their first ever European U-21 championship tournament and is the youngest cap ever for the under-21 side. He is literally part of the history of Israeli football and that is what makes him notable. Much more than the big headlines his transfer made in Israel. NYC2TLV 22:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep as he played for the Under-21 side. --Angelo 14:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete until he has played in a notable match. josh (talk) 16:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What's the point of deleting the page, since it seems it will almost definitely get re-added when he gets older?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.1 (talk • contribs)

Key word "almost". Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. HornetMike 00:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as per BlueValour. -- MLD · T · C · @: 12:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.