Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CLARK the band (2nd nomination)

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The result was no consensus. Seems like there are sources, but disagreement about whether they meet the first NMUSIC criterion and no slam dunk argument or clear preponderance of numbers favouring one side. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:35, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

CLARK the band

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Delete. Full disclosure: I'm actually the original creator here, in 2005 when our notability and sourcing rules were very different than they are today. This is a band that has no strong claim to passing the 2016 version of WP:NMUSIC — the strongest thing here is that it temporarily had two members who later joined Arcade Fire, but they weren't core members of this project: this was a "rotating lineup" collective that had only one constant member, so session players can't be the notability in and of themselves. And more importantly, there's no strong reliable source coverage to get them past what NMUSIC demands now — the only RS-worthy source here is a single album review in Exclaim!, but it doesn't substantiate anything that would constitute an NMUSIC pass, and I can't locate any stronger sourcing that would fix the problem. Bearcat (talk) 15:38, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:33, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:33, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:33, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:28, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 18:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I found a few reviews at Exclaim!: [1], [2], [3]. There's also [4] from PopMatters, though it's a rather brief review of a single. There's some coverage about the band at Chart Attack, too: [5], [6], and [7]. There's also [8] from Canoe.com. I think this is possibly enough. Bearcat, what do you think? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. I'm not seeing a lot of substance there that would convincingly pass any NMUSIC criterion — the most substantive new notability claim added by any of that coverage is that they were a finalist in (but not the winner of) a regional "battle of the unsigned bands" competition, and I don't see that as being enough. The Chart references, for example, aren't articles about the band, but merely namecheck it in "local scene news" columns that blurb numerous unrelated and mostly non-notable bands doing unrelated and mostly non-notable things on the order of "played at Barrymore's last Friday". Bearcat (talk) 19:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I agree that the Chart Attack sources are a bit light, but I figured maybe they might add up to something collectively. However, if I can't even convince the article creator that the topic is notable, I guess the sources probably don't pass muster. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:18, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – I take the view that a large number of sources (album reviews and similar) which constitute brief but non-trivial coverage, is sufficient to meet WP:NMUSIC criterion #1. In addition to what has already been cited above, I found multiple articles in the Ottawa Citizen that also have some coverage of this band; examples include Fateema Sayani. "Clark the band deals and heals", Ottawa Citizen 25 August 2005: F3 – also, Smiderle, Wes. "Star's brother rocks his own way: John Tielli finds a home in Ottawa", Ottawa Citizen 31 January 2002: E3. Another album review is Jagernauth, Kevin. "Clark: Terra Incognita: By Land, Sea & Air", Broken Pencil 18 (2002): 75. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:28, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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