Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canoe Island (Ontario)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Eagle Lake (Ontario). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:00, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Canoe Island (Ontario)

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Fails GNG due to lack of any significant coverage beyond a Canadian Geographical Names Database entry. There is no presumed notability for islands; WP:GEOLAND requires that we have information beyond statistics and coordinates. –dlthewave ☎ 20:50, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography, Canada, and Islands. –dlthewave ☎ 20:50, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Islands and lakes are not automatically notable and more than a name database item is required for stand-alone articles. Reywas92^Talk 05:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Reywas92, do u want to revise ur !vote as a Wp:ATD has been identified. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 05:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, redirect. My delete votes usually just mean it shouldn't be an article, and a redirect also achieves that. Reywas92^Talk 03:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this location is also fairly remote, in terms of distance from cities, and yet. Unlike the other Canoe Island, it's fairly close to several highways and what look like eco-tourism lodges. Can't see any trace of habitation on satellite view, so it's not itself a settlement, so no, I don't think it needs its own article, but it could be a local landmark or, for example, fishing destination. It's also in the heart of Ojibwe territory, so as ATD I'm leaning towards a redirect to Eagle Lake First Nation. Possibly one of the towns is a little closer; supposedly there is an actual reserve there, but I haven't found its boundaries. Reserves can sometimes be quite small, however, and the entire area, on and off reserve, is definitely Ojibwe. Elinruby (talk) 23:23, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Canoe Island jengod (talk) 08:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to consider Merger option.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: To User:Jengod, a merger into a disambiguation page will strip away all references (weird but true fact that in Wikipedia disambiguation pages are not allowed to hold references). And deletionists or disambiguation-focused editors will certainly just delete the item, perhaps with platitude that "disambiguation is only for assisting navigation to actual articles". Please reconsider your position, i suggest. I haven't looked into facts enough to make a !vote yet, but i am positive that "merge to a disambiguation page" is not appropriate. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 01:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment OK I understand nothing around here but I'm pretty sure this page exists because there are four small islands in northern North America that are easily confused w each other and need to be distinguished (disambiguated, if you will). Canoe Island (Washington) seems pretty built out. Which leaves the other three in Canada. I would argue for a "set index whatever it's called" thingy or a "list of Canoe Islands in Canada" and just merge it all together jengod (talk) 01:46, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (nom) - I'm still of the opinion that this Canoe Island isn't significant enough to mention at all. However, if we're leaning toward a merge then I would suggest a geographically close target such as Eagle Lake (Ontario) instead of grouping far-flung islands that happen to have the same name. –dlthewave ☎ 02:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Zooming in on its coordinates shows that it is an island in that Eagle Lake. And i see that Connaught Point or some such place on the island is a designated historic landmark. The lake and island articles are both very short; it is fine to merge the island article into the lake one. It could/should be mentioned that the island is about 10 km south of Vermilion Bay, Ontario and maybe that it is about 40 km WSW of the town of Dryden, Ontario. The lake looks huge and should be described a bit more, to at least mention named islands including also Boat Island, Net Island, South Twin Island, North Twin Island, all of which seem fairly large, and more. What is the area of the lake, can that be found in Canadian equivalent of GNIS or whatever?

I think if the overall goal of several AFDs is to attain elimination of the disambiguation page, that has now been foiled. It should be left in place and distinguish between at least these two. Similarly to Jengod, i like the preservation of "set index" and disambiguation pages of same-named things. I'd prefer for the other two ones to he retained in the disambiguation page, too, perhaps unlinked if their articles must be deleted or redirected. And the disambiguation page should be there to receive new items of other islands of this name. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 04:36, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is an Eagle Lake soapstone quarry which i suppose is a kind of prehistoric site, but mindat(?) shows that near but not on this island. Connaught Point is indicated to be a cliff, maybe it is a quarry site? Maybe the island article should be kept separate to cover this historic site? --Doncram (talk,contribs) 05:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which source mentions a historic site at Connaught Point? I'm not finding anything in my searches. –dlthewave ☎ 17:03, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to List of islands of Ontario or Eagle Lake (Ontario). Peter James (talk) 13:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I'd like some feedback on recent suggestions for Merge/Redirect targets List of islands of Ontario or Eagle Lake (Ontario) as ATD. I'd rather have "seconded" opinions than make a choice myself.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:59, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Eagle Lake (Ontario), which already mentions it. There isn't really anything else to merge as the article doesn't say anything about the subject other than that it exists, and per WP:GEOLAND we shouldn't have an article on it unless there are sources which say more about it. Hut 8.5 19:18, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.