Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cheema (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete--regentspark (comment) 02:58, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cheema

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Lacks notability. All the clan articles in the category of 'Jat Clans of Punjab' face the same issue. Most of them are as if there are listed in a clans directory, WP:NOT. Regards, KC Velaga ✉ 11:57, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, pending evidence of non-trivial coverage from reliable publications. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 21:02, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 16:42, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 16:42, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 16:42, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~Make and Redirect to a general Jat clans list~~ There was a suggestion like this and I really liked the sound of it. There exist some vague sources for these clans in the Wiki I found: [1]. Mr. Magoo (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Rescinding my vote: it was pointed out the Jat Wiki's sources are unusable. It might be best to delete and then redirect to Jat. Mr. Magoo (talk) 03:50, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:19, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - this is far from the first time that people have suggested creating a List of Jat clans. In fact, it has been suggested at least twice in AfDs during this month. Those AfDs ended with deletion, as this one should. I'll try to find the relevant details but am not around much at the moment due to poor health. Basically, this alleged clan fails GNG and we don't collect unverifiable trivia, nor are we a directory etc. There is a reason why that list has itself previously been deleted and has languished, with an increasing number of redlinks, in someone's userspace without ever being worked upon.

And, btw, Mr Magoo, the wiki you found (jatland) is notoriously bad. That's why we had/have an edit filter in place for it. British Raj sources are, for example, unreliable and have long been deemed so. - Sitush (talk) 23:02, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Mr. Magoo and McBarker: sigh, and we should also not redirect titles to Jat people where the title is not reliably verifiable. Castes are artificial constructs at the best of times - this post by me explains some of the issues and, as I already explained on your talk page, we do not rely on caste affiliated sources, nor Raj sources etc. - Sitush (talk) 06:28, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why use the word caste? We're essentially dealing with clans or families here, not the broader caste system. They have some notability as there are sources covering them. We have a newspaper describing the Chatha and Cheema clans as subgroups of Jat. I don't see how this doesn't make them viable redirects. And in the case of Cheema there's also the book by Rait. Mr. Magoo (talk) 07:21, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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