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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. The subject is presumed notable as per WP:NOLYMPICS, which is a part of the Wikipedia:Notability (sports) page. Furthermore, the article has received significant copy editing and the addition of sources after being nominated for deletion, which has significantly countered the nominator's rationale of the article being unreliable. North America1000 04:51, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eugen Mühlberger

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Completely unreliable article with an author unable to create correct articles and add proper sources. The Banner talk 13:32, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Seems to have legitimately set a world record. More info on corresponding German article, although both articles could use some beefing up. It's not surprising that there are few online sources, since he competed before the age of television. Very likely additional sources available in print, and especially in German. Recommend trout for nominator for confusing unnecessary commentary on author for actual WP:BEFORE. TimothyJosephWood 13:59, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • For future reference, if you identify a typo, just fix the damned typo. Instead, you have apparently put literally 100 times the required effort into complaining about it.
I'm not a gigantic fan of approving AfC drafts with a single reference, but that doesn't have anything to do with the requirement to WP:BEFORE, a policy which you seriously need to take some time to review. Also, please note that notability is not dependent on article content. The standards for AfD are not the same as the standards for AfC. Part of the purpose of AfC is to help editors learn to create acceptable articles. The burden is on the author. This is explicitly not the case for AfD, where the burden is on the nominator (you) to establish that the subject is in fact not notable before nominating for deletion. TimothyJosephWood 14:54, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Before you start shouting, read the background here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Fram. You can start roaring and shouting about WP:BEFORE but when you fail to do your own research, you better keep quiet. The Banner talk 15:13, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And you try to blame me for not fixing a type, you in fact added a false source. That source is not saying that he was missing in action... The Banner talk 15:15, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I too have ANI on my watchlist, for some reason. What you seem to not understand, is that whether the author is literally a dog has nothing to do with whether the subject of an article is notable. Whether I have done "research" on the author is irrelevant, because the author is irrelevant. If you are going to nominate an article for deletion, you need to take the steps required in the deletion process. Checking ANI is not one of these steps.
I am not blaming you for missing a typo. I'm blaming you for complaining about it while not fixing it. No one is blaming you for researching articles you don't happen to nominate for deletion. I'm personally just blaming you for this one. And...apparently...inability to read a source, and probably doing even less research than I assumed you had done, because you didn't notice that the source for the circumstances of his death (which incidentally does say he was MIA), is the original source that was used to create the article. TimothyJosephWood 15:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@The Banner: the thing you said That source is not saying that he was missing in action. is wrong. See the reference. Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 16:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The page only states Died: August 1, 1944 (Aged 41.337) in [unknown], Unknown, Soviet Union. Nothing about missing in action as you state in the article. The Banner talk 18:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Take a deep breath. Go outside for a smoke. Take a few sips of tea. Consider that you might have missed something that seems obvious to others. And then come back when you've figured it out. TimothyJosephWood 18:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you must starting to look what you have missed. Both sources added to Mühlberger died during the Second World War in August 1944 having been missed in action while fighting on the eastern front in the Soviet Union. do say nothing about being missing in action. The Banner talk 19:15, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I...you...you're serious right now aren't you? TimothyJosephWood 19:56, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please get familar with Scrolling. Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 20:13, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, it's generally expected that you identify yourself as the author if you weigh in on a deletion discussion. TimothyJosephWood 15:53, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for saying. Nobody told me in before.. But it make sense. I did it :). Will do it in future. Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 16:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and while I often concur with the nominator, Wikipedia has certain acceptances and this is a case where we can easily still improve the serious concerns, but it is notable for the applicable sports. SwisterTwister talk 19:38, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep person meets WP:NOLYMPICS, WP:NSPORTS. I added an additional source which ordinarily would be unnecessary, but goes on to confirm my contention in NSPORTS that all Olympians will have a history. Having dealt with him in the past and owing to the OP's persistent disability, I looked for the additional sources. Of course they are there if you look. I repeat WP:BEFORE. In particular to this OP, BEFORE should be mandatory before any AfDs are considered. Trackinfo (talk) 00:02, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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