Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FC Tucson

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:18, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

FC Tucson

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Fifth tier US soccer club which meets neither WP:FOOTYN nor WP:GNG. Cloudz 679 17:21, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Cloudz 679 17:25, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Cloudz 679 17:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This club is joining the NPSL in 2012, and consensus/history indicates that clubs at this level are considered notable. JonBroxton (talk) 01:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The article says independent and also it says that they might join the USL PDL. Also USL PDL and the NPSL are not pro. The pro leagues are Major League Soccer, NASL, and USL Pro. After that all the leagues are just part time. Also as of yet Tucson has not played in the US Open Cup so until they enter it I dont see how they are notable. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 02:39, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would, if I was you, wait till they announce what league they will join and have a reliable source. US Club Soccer should not have any notable clubs unless they have played in the US Open Cup. Till then the notability of this article cant be proven. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 02:41, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. A self published reference that the club is going to be notable in 2012 suffices for you, JonBroxton? - Cloudz 679 08:02, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You mean this? It's not self-published...them playing in the PDL is also confirmed by this and this. Giant Snowman 11:12, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This IS a PDL expansion team. Every PDL team has a Wikipedia page including several brand new expansion teams without the history of FC Tucson, shall we delete all of those too? There is absolutely no reason this page should be up for deletion. --Revolutionfan (talk) 15:04, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's an amateur team. And this may be slightly off topic but the quote: "It is our goal to compete for a national championship in the United Soccer League's Premier Developmental League and to bring more notoriety to this great community." really made me laugh. (Notoriety = being famous or well known, typically for some bad quality or deed.) This is an amateur team. By the way GS, the nesoccertoday link wouldn't load on my computer. But also these sources are all local. I don't mind advocating this article if there is a good reason. But at the moment, one hasn't been presented, other than WP:OSE. The club hasn't played in the national cup. I am not sure publishing from one town counts as "significant coverage". Can someone link the consensus for blanket inclusion of all PDL teams? I only managed to find ::this. Thank you. Cloudz 679 16:59, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

With regards to teams, amateur does not mean notable - have a read of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Notability. I mean, if it did, think of all the clubs we would have to exclude! As a rule of thumb, all clubs which have played in a national cup, or are eligible to play, are considered notable - which includes teams in the PDL. Giant Snowman 17:05, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If this is deleted these should also be deleted: Boston Victory S.C., Baltimore Bohemians, Connecticut FC Azul, Austin Aztex, D.C. United U-23, and Palmetto FC Bantams. Shall we really delete all those until they play in the Open Cup? --Revolutionfan (talk) 19:57, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - plays at a high enough level to be deemed notable. Article needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 17:08, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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