Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. G. Whitfield

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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 15:52, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

J. G. Whitfield

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Fails WP:Notability (music) and doing a WP:BEFORE doesn't turn up anything except trivial coverage. Adamant1 (talk) 16:28, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:14, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep He is notable due to his inclusion in the hall of fame mentioned on the article.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 01:12, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Are either of those notable accomplishments though? It doesn't seem like either fit the criteria for notability of winning a major musical award in WP:Notability (music). Christian artists win the Grammys and Juno awards all the time, both of which would count for notability. I don't think his inclusion in these "halls of fame" do though. They don't even meet Wikipedia's notability standards. You can't say someone is notable for being in a hall of fame, when the hall of fame their in isn't notable. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:17, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Hall of Fame doesn't necessarily have to be notable in order for coverage of someone being inducted to confer notability on the inductee.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 00:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — J947 ^{(user | cont | ess)}, at 22:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Whether the hall of fame is notable has not been determined yet, but I expect it will be in the coming days. (Note to closer: See if the hall of fame article is closed or not.)--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 20:07, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In addition to the source already cited, a quick g-hits search (which is supposed to be done as part of WP:BEFORE) brought up this and this. He's notable.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 00:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC
Comment This source [1] (already linked above) is most likely user generated and not sufficient as independent secondary coverage. However, this source [2] (already linked above) appears to be RS, at least at first glance. Are there any sources to indicate the subject has been inducted into the hall of fame? This source [3] in the Wikipedia article does not appear to cover Whitfield. I did a search with the source and found nothing so far. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 03:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The first link in the second reference does not work (at least not for me). However, the second link in the second reference produced this [4]. This should be the active link in the references section. Based on this source it seems his contribution to this music genre' had an impact. Then I found this on the second link of the first reference [5]. Based on this source, it again seems his contribution to the music genre had an impact. Also, the links need to be fixed in this Wikipedia article. And the encyclopedia reference needs to be added. After that if someone wants to add the user generated link, then I don't think it would be a problem. So, after all this I am Ivoting Keep based on the three references I mentioned - besides the user-generated link. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 04:00, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding AllMusic, artist bios are written by staff or guest contributors. They aren't user-generated. In this case, Charlotte Dillon was the author.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 14:52, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guest contributors would seem to indicate (to me) it could be user generated. And I don't know what kind of vetting the staff is subjected to regarding accuracy. I guess it can be said there is a divided opinion at this AfD. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 11:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are guest contributors, that's worlds different from user-generated. There is an editorial staff. Read the article on AllMusic, it is one of the most prolifically used music sources, on the level of Billboard. Consensus has long been that it is reliable, and it's listed as a reliable source on the Albums WikiProject (which is a reflection of consensus). Sorry, but you seem to have very little knowledge of what you're talking about. I'm fine with divided opinion, but this division appears to be because of misinformation. If you want to learn what the consensus about AllMusic is, you can see here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 52#AllMusic, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 54#"Sources to avoid" section, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discographies/Archive 5#Allmusic not a reliable source for discographical info?, Talk:AllMusic. The TL;DR of those is that AllMusic is about as reliable as a source can be when it comes to material written by the contributors, but the sidebar info, which isn't attributable to the site staff, and the album credits and discography info isn't always accurate (which is an issue across the board with online music databases).--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@3family6:. OK. I stand corrected. Thanks very much for taking the time. You are correct that I didn't know AllMusic is held in high regard on Wikipedia. You're correct that I was at the least misinformed. I'm interested in reading the ~~articles~~ discussions to which you have linked. Thanks again. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 02:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Steve Quinn: Sure, no problem. Glad that this was cleared up.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 02:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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