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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Not too many participants in this AfD, but the deletes have it, for lack of proof of notability GNG-wise, barring play at national level. Drmies (talk) 03:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Life Sports F.C.

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Fails WP:FOOTYN: Club which has not played at national level and not shown to meet broader notability criteria. Cloudz679 21:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This club has played in several notable non-AIFF ran tournaments before and I have proven that they are a professional club via the reference on the page. Also I am struggling to see how this page should be deleted when there are other pages on wikipedia like for example expansion teams in the USL PDL who get automatic notability even though the PDL is not pro nor national. Also some clubs in the lower tiers of English Football have notability even though there club only plays in there respective county league. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 21:32, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also I dont know how much this will help but here is a picture of the club playing in the Gold Cup which is recognized as national. Gold Cup picture. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 21:32, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
BTW Some examples... Sherborne Town F.C., a club that plays in the 10th Division of Football in England which is not national at all nor professional.
If you feel those clubs aren't notable enough, feel free to nominate them for deletion. However, Cromer and Sherborne have both played in the FA Cup, meaning they have competed at a national level and therefore pass the general rule of thumb for football clubs. ~~ Bettia ~~ talk 12:27, 27 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]
I thought I already said that Life Sports have played Nationally in an AIFF ran competition. Also known as the All Indian Federation Gold Cup. (Look at the picture I gave above) --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 22:12, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Other stuff exists is not a reason to keep the article. This discussion is about the merits of Life Sports F.C. only. In that respect, a picture from facebook is not a reliable source, as its content is user-generated. I took a look at the reference the article provides and nothing is mentioned of professionalism. The other link is on facebook and cannot be considered.

If there is any evidence of notability, this should be provided and added to the article. If such notability cannot be proven, the article should be deleted. - Cloudz679 17:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just looked at the reference and I think that the user LifeSports may have changed it as the page now looks disorganized, I shall fix that soon but for now here are some articles that explain NPL professionalism, Life Sports professionalism and Kohima Komets (another NPL team) professionalism. [1] [2]. Also I looked at the Other stuff exists and it said that I can compare if it is valid as wikipedia is supposed to be consistant. Also the page does not have to be professional if (and this will have to be another example) all the teams in USL PDL are considered notable as only Major League Soccer, NASL and USL Pro are professional in the USA. So again I say keep --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 18:21, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:03, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 17:55, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kohima Komets link only says professionally managed and is not pertinent to this discussion. Other link of the Life Sports [3] appears to be a press release from the club itself. Is there any other material to consider? - Cloudz679 19:15, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I will be looking for another but I can now proof that Life Sports has played Nationally in the Gold Cup. [4] [5] --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 19:37, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: is the Royal Gold Cup is actual national cup competition? From what I can tell, it's just an invitational tournament play by a dozen or so teams (the 2011 tournament was competed by 15 teams from 7 states). It wouldn't be what could be considered a true national cup competition, like the FA Cup or the Federation Cup or Durand Cup (which seem to be India's equivalent cup competitions). Unless Life Sports have played in those two competitions, I don't think this club would meet the usual rule-of-thumb for club notability, which means we would have to establish Life Sports' notability through the general notability guidelines. This means finding multiple, substantial, third-party sources - match reports wouldn't be enough here. This source is a start, but we would need more. ~~ Bettia ~~ talk 10:54, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Consider the Gold Cup like the FA Vase which from the looks of it also counts for notability. Also try researching other Indian football tournaments (other than the Federation Cup and Durand Cup) that are considered national like the EK Trophy which is considered national even though only a handful of states are participating. Get what I am saying. Its a very complicated system in India. Federation Cup and even Durand Cup arnt exactly what you call National because 1) Federation only incudes clubs from the top 2 divisions (20 clubs) and Durand is just a bunch of amateur and semi-pro teams mixed with a few I-League teams. So if you consider those two cups as notable then the Gold Cup should probably be in that category. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 11:19, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Except the FA Vase is a proper cup competition contested by hundreds of teams (and whether or not competing in the Vase would make a team eligible under WP:FOOTYN is unclear), rather than a small invitational tournament like the Royal Gold Cup. From what you're saying, it seems only the Federation Cup could be counted as the National Cup. ~~ Bettia ~~ talk 11:48, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - it's taken a while to come to this conclusion, but I believe this team does not meet the necessary notability guidelines. There's little evidence of them meeting the general notability guidelines short of being the first team to be accepted into a new regional league, and they haven't competed at a national level as required by WP:FOOTYN. There's no reason why this article couldn't be recreated if the team reaches a high enough level in the Indian league system (i.e. they get promoted from the Nagaland Premier League into the I-league). ~~ Bettia ~~ talk 11:48, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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