Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of anarchist communities

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The result was redirect‎ to Anarchism#See also. ✗plicit 14:11, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of anarchist communities

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I have been trying to figure out how to make this list work since I first arrived on Wikipedia, nearly five years ago. Now I think it's time to draw a line under the experience and call it quits. Since this list's creation, it has had an endemic problem with its inclusion criteria, which has led to it wildly expanding and contracting over time. Attempts to find a solid criteria have been futile, with no consensus formed as to what constitutes a "community" or even what makes something "anarchist". This has led to inclusion and exclusion being driven almost entirely by individual vibes, i.e. whether someone likes or doesn't like a certain entry, rather than any verifiable information in reliable sources. Over the years, this list has been a breeding ground for novel synthesis and original research.

In scholarly literature, the term "anarchist community" itself is used in a variety of different ways, none of which are actually reflected in this list (it's usually used in the same way as one would use "immigrant community"). Attempts to find a better name for the list have likewise gone nowhere, as there is nothing solid that actually groups together all the various different phenomenons included. Attempts to broaden the criteria would have led to it being so ill-defined that almost anything could be included, while attempts to narrow the inclusion criteria down to more specific and fundamental characteristics would effectively eliminate the list.

Two of the list's sections have now been merged into more appropriate listacles, the list of intentional communities and list of self-managed social centres, which each have a more clearly defined and easily verified criteria for inclusion. What remains are a series of different phenomena that share little in common other than anarchists being involved (sometimes not even in the driving seat). I don't think what's left over provides us with a particularly informative list that couldn't work just as well by adding some of them to the "See also" section of other articles.

As I don't think it's possible for a well-researched and stable version of this list to be established, as this is a magnet for original research and novel synthesis, and as there is no clear potential redirect target or other place to merge the remaining entries, I am nominating this article for deletion. I understand this may not be a popular proposal, but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had. Grnrchst (talk) 11:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Organizations, Politics, Social science, and Lists. Grnrchst (talk) 11:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and also change redirect Category:Anarchist intentional communities and Category:Anarchist communities exist. But if everything that would be in this list is already at the more specific lists of List of stateless societies, List of intentional communities, and List of self-managed social centers then no need for it. Note also that Anarchist community redirects here. Redirecting it to one of those three would be a problem, so it should be an article listing the three lists for people to then click on what they want to go to. Dream Focus 13:27, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Wouldn't the page history have to be maintained for attribution reasons, since its content was merged into other pages? If so maybe keep as a redirect to one of these pages since I think that's required by copyright (if I'm not misunderstanding) but from what I can see the scope of the page is duplicated by other, better and clearer lists. PARAKANYAA (talk) 13:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Anarchism § See also per my talk page comment. The page history needs to be kept for the merged content's attribution. The existing See also section is the natural place to store links related to anarchist communities that a reader might want to investigate. re: the categories above, I don't believe they're long for this world. czar 15:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Grnrchst and czar. Thanks both for your work sorting this out prior to the AfD. -- asilvering (talk) 01:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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