Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michelle Dilhara

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The result was no consensus. T. Canens (talk) 17:00, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Michelle Dilhara

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Questionable sourcing, does not meet notability threshold. seems like a mostly self promotional article — IvanCrives (talk) 06:24, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:44, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:44, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sri Lanka-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:44, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have remodelled the page by deleting all catchphrases as well as paraphrases. So I guess, the article is now fully encyclopedic and no need of deletion. Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 23:17, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Which "notability threshold" does IvanCrives suggest she does not meet? Have you done a WP:BEFORE? She appears to easily meet WP:NACTOR, which requires the subject "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows" and "Has a large fan base". Salsapuna "is a long running Sri Lankan television drama series broadcast on television network Sirasa TV ... The character Podi Patharakari ... portrayed by the actress Michelle Dilhara became popular among the Sri Lankan audience." Sudu Andagena Kalu Awidin "is a Sri Lankan television series starring Chandani Seneviratne, Michelle Dilhara ... The teledrama portrays the story of Ayoma (Michelle)". Thuththiri "is a long running Sri Lankan science fiction television series broadcast on Sirasa TV ... starring Michelle Dilhara". Also, WP:ANYBIO requires "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor". She has received a National Youth Icon Award, "conferred to 70 young individuals globally, setting high standards for their inspiring work and services contributed towards achieving the (SDGs) of the United Nations." -Lopifalko (talk) 06:31, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 02:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The articles for the shows she's supposedly so well known for being in are extremely badly sourced and barely notable themselves. Looking through the articles on them I'd hard pressed to deduce that they are that popular or at least enough to warrant this actress having an article because of being in them. Since their claims to fame are mostly weasel words. For instance she "Has a large fan base." Cool, but that could mean anything and plenty of non-notable actors/actresses have fan bases. She's in Salsapuna which is a "long running" program, but so what if it's long running? Supposedly she's "popular among the Sri Lankan audience", but again that's meaningless to notability. Everything else is much of the same. So, I'm going with delete due to failing WP:NACTOR. Unless someone posts some serious, in-depth, reliable sources about her. BTW, I know she has the award, but it's questionable the award is "well-known and significant." Plus, it doesn't have anything to do with her acting careering and I'm pretty sure that's what WP:NACTOR is talking about when it references awards. BTW 2.0, I could also do a break down of the sources currently in the article and why I don't think they pass WP:NACTOR and are mostly ref bombing, but I'm not going to waste my time. I think her lack of notable roles is way more important anyway. Since the article is about her as an actress. Not her other work. Even though most of the article seems to be about it, but I'm not the one that referenced WP:NACTOR originally to try and claim she was notable. So, whatever. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:36, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Adamant1: I referred to WP:ANYBIO in regard to the award. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:56, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment I don't think that deleting a page is not worthy by citing some minor relavant things. As a whole, we need to improve the quality of the page rather than deleting them. It is the most appropriate thing to do. I am not agree with his reasons, where she is not popular or her awards are not worthy. You should know that any popular singer, actor or any other personality is not made by one day. So in the future, she may be someone like to awarded with a Nobel Peace Award. So, it is our responsibility as Wikipedi editors to notify and improve the articles. Deleting a page is not acceptable. If you go through Wikipedia, you will see that there are many poor sourced celebrity articles. Just check Sunil Shetty, much popular Bollywood actor. Meanwhile, Dilhara's page has lot of information that are reliable. So do not make it as a poor sourced article. International award means an international award. Do not lower it values. Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 02:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Gihan Jayaweera: If she wins the Nobel peace prize, we can write an article about her then. Deletion is not permanent. See WP:TOOSOON. --Ahecht (TALK
    PAGE) 13:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - That is not my point. I am telling you all about her significance to the field of art as well as environement in my country. So, according to that, I can assure that, she has a significant popularity as well as importance. So it is worth to keep the article. Further changes in the future can be done later. I don't know why you all have the same deletion mindset ONLY for this article. There are lot of articles with poor sources. If you check here, most of the sources are from prominent newspapers and websites of Sri Lanka. So how you assure that they are poor sources by standing away from my country. I also can tell that some of your news channels such as Channel 4 is a ridiculous site in my sense. Is it worth then? I know better about my country and my media and its personalities. That is why I tried to bring them to the international arena. But, by referring to small inaccuracies, you all are trying to delete only this article. I cannot accept that. My point is, she is worth and important not only my country, but also worldwide. Thank you Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 09:15, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets GNG and NACTOR. The article has lots of sources from Sri Lankan newspapers, including Sarasaviya, the Sri Lankan Daily News, Silumina, The Sunday Times and Ceylon Today. I don't know which of those are reliable sources or not, but the nomination only says "questionable sourcing", with no analysis or discussion about which sources are questionable. For example, "Actress Michelle Dilhara on becoming Earth Day Network Ambassador to Sri Lanka" in The Sunday Morning seems to be significant coverage; if it's not, then I'd like to know the concerns about The Sunday Morning as a source. She also has significant roles in notable TV shows, including Salsapuna and Sudu Andagena Kalu Awidin. Adamant1's insistence that these shows are "barely notable" is odd; they have Wikipedia articles with lots of references, and I don't know why you would discount them, except as an expression of WP:ZEAL. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:24, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd love to see some evidence of WP:ZEAL on my part. I vote for articles to be merged or redirected as much as I vote delete, and I also suggest both in my nominations when it's an option. Plus, I've voted keep on articles when the sources actually warranted it. Whereas, you hardly or never vote merge, redirect, or delete. Either way, I would refer you to WP:NPA since you've seemed to have ignored the first time I asked you to follow it and stop making things personal. As far as the sourcing goes, which I think is a more valid arrangement then some grade school crap like "your just like deleting everything!!!", Salsapuna has had a verification banner on it since 2017 and the article is mostly plot summary. Neither of which bode well to it being a popular enough show where every single person has acted in it deserves their own article. She wasn't even introduced in it until the 250th episode either. Which was almost halfway through it's run. So, I'd hardly call her the main star or her part extremely important to the show. Even if it is a popular show.

The same would go for her role in Sudu Andagena Kalu Awidin. Where her character is like 5th on the list and the person who plays the main character when they were younger doesn't even have their own Wikipedia article. I think that's a good enough argument that her acting appearances aren't notable enough on their own for her to have an article because of them. BTW, I knew all that already when I voted. Just because I don't give a long winded explanation every damn time I vote doesn't mean the vote wasn't based on a thorough analysis of things. I have better things to do though then explain every little minor detail of my thought process in every vote just so people like you, who seem to have no better arguments or things to do with your time, won't attack me. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep meets general and actor criteria. Might also meet the criteria for activists/philanthropists, founding the The invisible to visible movement and winning several awards for both.Fred (talk) 02:35, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep do not judge an article by thinking about only two television serials. You are always stated that Sudu Andagena Kalu Awidin and Salsapuna. But, she has acted in many other television serials as well as some upcoming movies. You cant guess the acting credibility by stating that her role came after 250th episode or etc. She has appeared in that time because her character needs in that moment. So don't judge the acting through such ridiculous comments. So my vote is always to that NEVER DELETE, BUT IMPROVE... (talk) 21:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gihan Jayaweera:, do you think every source from Sri Lanka is reliable "because Sri Lanka and I NEVER DELETE ANYTHING EVER!!!" or is there some Sri Lanka sources that aren't reliable? --Adamant1 (talk) 03:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.