Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poena Is Koning

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The result was keep. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:05, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Poena Is Koning

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Appears to fail WP:NFILM. No reviews found in a BEFORE. Tagged for notability.

PROD removed with "noted work of a notable filmmaker, deprodded", but notability isn't inherited WP:NOTINHERITED. The work must stand on it's own. DonaldD23 talk to me 13:01, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and South Africa. DonaldD23 talk to me 13:01, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I watched this movie actually, and recall it being quite popular and widely theatrically released, even if it was trashy, critically disliked and unsophisticated. It was released widely, as noted critic Barry Ronge described it there's a big audience for these films. Audiences love them and they make big money, which allows them to get government money for copy-cat sequels, while filmmakers who aspire to deliver quality fail to get subsidies because the donors believe the film will fail.[1] Here's another rueful mention of its nationwide release:[2]. Here are reviews from WP:RS [3][4]. Meets WP:NFILM via WP:NFSOURCES and WP:NFO ("The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics."). WP:WORLDWIDE also needs to be taken into account. EDIT: It's led to a TV Series, and The Citizen, another WP:RS describes the movie as "iconic".[5] Park3r (talk) 02:52, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources as shown in the above post that show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:17, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting because the RS mentioned in the discussion that I checked on looked less than reliable. The first one listed had a paywall (which doesn't rule it out) but then wouldn't let me back out of the site without displaying more screens of clickbait journalism.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:41, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Regarding the relisting comment: The Sunday Times has been around since 1906, and is reliable. The Citizen is another well-known mainstream newspaper. IOL, despite post-2020 woes, was reliable at at the time that the review was written, and it carries news from Independent Newspapers, which owns some of the oldest papers in the country, including The Star, The Daily News, Mercury, and finally News24 is owned by Media24, which is part of Naspers, and is South Africa's largest publisher, with a history that dates back to 1915, and Naspers is one of the biggest companies in Africa. Barry Ronge was a well known, widely read, and respected critic. If any of the news sources are deemed unreliable, we might as well gut a substantial number of articles about South Africa, since these are heavily cited. None of these have been discussed on WP:RSN, apart from post 2020 IOL, which I raised (but doesn’t apply to the review of this movie which was released in 2007). Park3r (talk) 23:44, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have updated the article with additional detail and sources. The film seems to have been a box office success in South Africa and spawned one spin-off film, two television films, and a television series. I also found quite a detailed academic analysis of its themes, which I wasn't expecting. Ackatsis (talk) 09:22, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.