Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political ideas in science fiction

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Political ideas in science fiction

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This is another WP:OR mess, almost unreferenced, part-list, part-text, like recently deleted religious ideas in science fiction (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of religious ideas in science fiction) was (so this fails not just OR, but also WP:V and WP:IPC). Now, political science fiction is very much a notable genra and it is somewhere on my to-do list, but what we have here is too WP:ORish to merit anything but WP:TNT. Even the few references used and external links are useless, this needs to be written from scratch. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:03, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Literature, and Lists. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:03, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The topic is certainly notable; The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction has a fairly ambitious entry, for example. /Julle (talk) 02:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not all of these are "science" fiction, just regular fiction. We already have Utopian and dystopian fiction. We also have Category:Social science fiction, Category:Science fiction themes, Category:Fiction about society, and various others. There are reliable sources covering alternative societies in science fiction such as: https://www.britannica.com/art/science-fiction/Alternative-societies Dream Focus 03:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The topic is probably notable enough to have an article, but is such a mess, being almost entirely unsourced and comprised mostly of original research, that it needs some WP:TNT. JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 08:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:IINFO / WP:NOTESSAY. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of religious ideas in science fiction is good guidance here. I would accept a simple redirect to political science fiction. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: and TNT. DrowssapSMM 00:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: While technically notable, the current article is full of original research and contains a sizeable list that lacks any real standards for inclusion. Honestly, it needs to be destroyed so that something else can be written. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 20:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete In agreement with others that while the subject itself is technically notable, this article is indeed a "WP:OR mess", and in dire need of WP:TNT. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 22:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 02:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I won't go straight keep since that would start a discussion (not shying away, just feeling I woulnd't have the time to reply/ research properly), but I'm inclined to point out that science fiction (and fiction in general) has developed a plethora of political ideas that are unique and not seen in the real world, and at least some of these merit encyclopedic entries to whatever extent. And this need not necessarily be political science fiction, it's just fiction that describes a specific political system. For instance, right now I'm going through the Shadowmarch tetralogy, and while it's not in the least political science fiction, it goes into fine detail about systems of the lands and monarchies presented there. --Ouro (blah blah) 14:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ouro If you look at comments by me and others, you'll see we agree this is a notable topic. The problem is it needs to be written from scratch, with sources. See WP:TNT, etc. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Piotrus My complete agreement here. Hence the comment. --Ouro (blah blah) 07:00, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - See Science fiction#As protest literature. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 23:36, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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